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redflyer65 said:
So very true. How are the SW pilots greedy by the way? I didn't see Gary offering us 2 million each.
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If he wanted to write each AirTran pilot a check for 2 million dollars that very day then I would have happily taken it. But of course, we intelligent FI Posters know we would have been under the same compensation package as you guys and not have to read these moronic comparisons.
 
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Yeah, I took it out because I know that Captain Taylor is much a better man than you now for being humiliated, humbled and knocked down a few pegs, so I decided not to insult him by comparing him to you. He learned his lesson, but don't worry, your turn will come too.
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You removed it because it makes you look like a raving lunatic. Can't put lipstick on a pig and call it the prom queen.

Have no idea who "Captain Taylor" is but then again I am not dialed in to all the innuendo of Flifo. I'm sure he takes comfort in knowing your opinion of him. (humiliated, humbled and knocked down a few pegs)
Whatever that means.

If you wanted to be here you could have gone through the motions and started at the bottom like the rest of us did. Just like you did when you reached your ultimate career goal as a First Officer at Valuejet. (why did they change that name?) Or, I guess, more importantly, why isn't Southwest changing its name to Airtran? You know, since it was a better place to work than SWA and guys were leaving SWA in droves to get hired there due to the "quick" upgrades, industry leading pay, great schedules, great QOL, numerous bases all over the country and legendary fantastic working relationship you all had with your wonderful mgt team.
 
Kharma,

Really dude, when you guys come on here crying that 'it's not real money right now', it really shows how little you understand about SW, Gary, and the working relationship we have. But that ship has sailed.

There is now NO guarantee that you will ever be on the SW contract/payscale. That is a MASSIVE difference from what was offered to the Fab 7.

Oh, and very few guys at Southwest are living paycheck to paycheck like some of your junior FO's were at 66/hr for fourth year pay.

RF
 
Kp

If he wants to write each AirTran pilot a check for 2 million dollars today then I will happily take it. If not, we would have been under the same compensation package as you guys and not have to read these moronic comparisons.
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That's an awesome negotiating strategy. E-mail your reps and tell them to go in with that mentality. I'm sure it will work wonders.
 
Roomwithaview said:
You removed it because it makes you look like a raving lunatic. Can't put lipstick on a pig and call it the prom queen.

Have no idea who "Captain Taylor" is but then again I am not dialed in to all the innuendo of Flifo. I'm sure he takes comfort in knowing your opinion of him. (humiliated, humbled and knocked down a few pegs)
Whatever that means.

If you wanted to be here you could have gone through the motions and started at the bottom like the rest of us did. Just like you did when you reached your ultimate career goal as a First Officer at Valuejet. (why did they change that name?) Or, I guess, more importantly, why isn't Southwest changing its name to Airtran? You know, since it was a better place to work than SWA and guys were leaving SWA in droves to get hired there due to the "quick" upgrades, industry leading pay, great schedules, great QOL, numerous bases all over the country and legendary fantastic working relationship you all had with your wonderful mgt team.
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Temper, temper, I don't want you to have a coronary! You guys are getting boringly predictable (again) with your nonsense. Does SWAPA give you guys the talking points?


http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/06/29/southwest-pilot-says-sorry-union-drops-complaint/
 
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Kp

Temper, temper,
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I'm not the one coming unhinged.
I'm not the one babbling on about racism, homophobia, "Captain Taylor???".
I'm not the one with the weird obsession with ice cream shaped feces.
I'm not the one whose job is not secure.
I'm not the one whose union turned down a 2 billion dollar offer from a guy that doesn't throw money around like that.
I'm not the one that couldn't get hired at SWA so I took the job at AAI as a stepping stone to a better career and it didn't work out so now I'm going to try and keep saying the same thing over and over again to convince myself and others that in some alternate universe there existed an Airline called Air tran that was a better place to work than Southwest.
I'm not the one that resorts to "Eat $hit" when I'm getting my a$$ handed to me in the debate.

That would be you my little friend. Sleep tight. All will be better eventually. I have confidence you'll be able to convince an arby that your career at AAI was every bit as valuable as that of a First Officer at Republic.

Oh! That James Taylor!! He's the guy that sings, "Shower the people you love with love---Show them the way that you feel, Things are gonna be much better....."(and they will little one-they will)
 
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Roomwithaview said:
I'm not the one coming unhinged.
I'm not the one babbling on about racism, homophobia, "Captain Taylor???".
I'm not the one with the weird obsession with ice cream shaped feces.
I'm not the one whose job is not secure.
I'm not the one whose union turned down a 2 billion dollar offer from a guy that doesn't throw money around like that.
I'm not the one that couldn't get hired at SWA so I took the job at AAI as a stepping stone to a better career and it didn't work out so now I'm going to try and keep saying the same thing over and over again to convince myself and others that in some alternate universe there existed an Airline called Air tran that was a better place to work than Southwest.
I'm not the one that resorts to "Eat $hit" when I'm getting my a$$ handed to me in the debate.

That would be you my little friend. Sleep tight. All will be better eventually. I have confidence you'll be able to convince an arby that your career at AAI was every bit as valuable as that of a First Officer at Republic.
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Do yourself a favor and put me on your "ignore list", you are getting more and more agitated by me making you look foolish. Seriously, I don't want you to have a heart attack especially if you have a family.
 
Kp

Do yourself a favor and put me on your "ignore list", you are getting more and more agitated by me making you look foolish. Seriously, I don't want you to have a heart attack especially if you have a family.
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Is that all you got? You keep typing but you're not really saying anything. Put me on yours, if I offend you so much. Like I stated earlier, I could not be more at peace with my circumstance. I'm a REAL SOUTHWEST PILOT and will be tomorrow, and the next day and the next and the next.

What are you right now? A tranny? They no longer exist. Texas Holding LLC? Guadalupe something or other? I'm not really sure. Are you getting a check that says "brought to you by the loyal customers of Southwest Airlines"?

Your MEC has stuck you in the land of misfit toys. That did have a happy ending though. Maybe you can find Rudolph, Yukon Cornelius and the Bumble to rescue you.

We welcomed you with open arms and you spit in our face. Good luck with that tactic. You think arbitration and BM will save your job at Southwest. Ain't no guarantees in life. You're rolling the dice right now and you don't really have a lot of scratch of your own in your pocket to play with. All the scratch is in Gary's pocket and you've been mocking him here for weeks. Also, your MEC is flipping him the bird. Not really a good tactic against the guy that holds your future with a stroke of his pen.
 
Roomwithaview said:
Is that all you got? You keep typing but you're not really saying anything. Put me on yours, if I offend you so much. Like I stated earlier, I could not be more at peace with my circumstance. I'm a REAL SOUTHWEST PILOT and will be tomorrow, and the next day and the next and the next.

What are you right now? A tranny? They no longer exist. Texas Holding LLC? Guadalupe something or other? I'm not really sure. Are you getting a check that says "brought to you by the loyal customers of Southwest Airlines"?

Your MEC has stuck you in the land of misfit toys. That did have a happy ending though. Maybe you can find Rudolph, Yukon Cornelius and the Bumble to rescue you.

We welcomed you with open arms and you spit in our face. Good luck with that tactic. You think arbitration and BM will save your job at Southwest. Ain't no guarantees in life. You're rolling the dice right now and you don't really have a lot of scratch of your own in your pocket to play with. All the scratch is in Gary's pocket and you've been mocking him here for weeks. Also, your MEC is flipping him the bird. Not really a good tactic against the guy that holds your future with a stroke of his pen.
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Well, don't say I didn't warn you. Will you at least keep a bottle of aspirin by your computer? And if your right arm or hand starts tingling when you are reading how much of a fool I'm making you look like will you please call 911? Thanks!
 
Kp

Well, don't say I didn't warn you. Will you at least keep a bottle of aspirin by your computer? And if your right arm or hand starts tingling when you are reading how much of a fool I'm making you look like will you please call 911? Thanks!
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Really? Substance please. I feel like I accidentally logged on to a teenagers Facebook account
 
Roomwithaview said:
Really? Substance please. I feel like I accidentally logged on to a teenagers Facebook account
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Substance? I'm sorry, you probably don't have a clue about heart attacks, which is good.

Aspirin can save your life if you have a heart attack. Usually, the first signs are numbness or tingling in the right arm or hand.
 
redflyer65 said:
General,

Your dreaming if you think Gary would merge a 'bad' list. You need to read Andy's response to another thread. He nailed it.

Ain't gonna happen bro.

RF
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If that is true, then I guess you could be the next USAir. Oh well.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!
Ooooooooh. That feels so good!!!!

This message is hidden because General Lee is on your ignore list
 
SKYBOUND said:
Kharma, I don't think you're going to fit in at your new job. Just saying. Good luck
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Actually, I do. Dude seems pretty funny. And what are you gonna do? May as well laugh- it's not like his union asked his advice.
 
CF34-3B1 said:
Hey General,

When Comair and ASA merged with Delta, how come those guys didn't get relative seniority?
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Crickets chirping............whispering now........"Because they are not RD. That's "Real Delta" for all you little people.......ssshhhhhhh...."
 
Kharma Police said:
Temper, temper, I don't want you to have a coronary! You guys are getting boringly predictable (again) with your nonsense. Does SWAPA give you guys the talking points?


http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/06/29/southwest-pilot-says-sorry-union-drops-complaint/
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You have to be kidding me. An airtran pilot bringing up talking points. Seriously, you have to be kidding me. Wow hypocrisy at it's finest and most pure. Wow, I'm just blown away. I mean you have to be kidding me.
 
redflyer65 said:
Kharma,

Really dude, when you guys come on here crying that 'it's not real money right now', it really shows how little you understand about SW, Gary, and the working relationship we have. But that ship has sailed.

There is now NO guarantee that you will ever be on the SW contract/payscale. That is a MASSIVE difference from what was offered to the Fab 7.

Oh, and very few guys at Southwest are living paycheck to paycheck like some of your junior FO's were at 66/hr for fourth year pay.

RF
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Bond McCaskell and the fact that you have a process agreement in place does in fact guarantee that they will be under one single contract with you. I'll bet you paychecks for a year that you will have a single list. Wanna bet?
 
saabcaptain said:
Has there ever been an airline like SWA?
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Yeah, every regional in the world. SWA just flies bigger jets.

I love how they're always bragging about their "culture".

You know the culture that causes:

1. Infatuation with cheap rayon flag ties.
2. No hats.
3. Excessively fast taxiing.
4. Pilot sprinting to the fast food joints in between legs.
5. Company approved "happy hours" with no end on layovers.
6. Pilot "wagged" weight and balance calculations.

Etc.

The Russians have a term for that: Nekulturny. Google it.
 
Fubi,

What's your problem here. We get it done. Px love us and our product, and we are efficent at what we do.

Oh, and we make more than you guys and have a great management team...you, not so much. Enjoy the Alaskan beat down.

Life is great over here, as a matter of fact, we are pretty protective of it. I wouldn't expect you, or any other legacy type carrier to understand that. You have to work here to get it. Sorry.

RF
 
Fubijaakr said:
Yeah, every regional in the world. SWA just flies bigger jets.

I love how they're always bragging about their "culture".

You know the culture that causes:

1. Infatuation with cheap rayon flag ties.
2. No hats.
3. Excessively fast taxiing.
4. Pilot sprinting to the fast food joints in between legs.
5. Company approved "happy hours" with no end on layovers.
6. Pilot "wagged" weight and balance calculations.

Etc.

The Russians have a term for that: Nekulturny. Google it.
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1. Hey, those ties are polyester buddy!
2. I have hair, don't need a hat.
3. Is that like ludicrous speed?
4. How else can I get my gym time in?
5. Haven't seen any of those, but if you can't drink responsibly, then by all means don't.
6. If by that you mean our On Board Computer system utilizing the latest techniques of actually counting passengers and baggage, sure, I'll float you the wag.

Sure, use a Rusky term, how about this one: Wear a green hat.
 
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Fubijaakr said:
Yeah, every regional in the world. SWA just flies bigger jets.

I love how they're always bragging about their "culture".

You know the culture that causes:

1. Infatuation with cheap rayon flag ties.
2. No hats.
3. Excessively fast taxiing.
4. Pilot sprinting to the fast food joints in between legs.
5. Company approved "happy hours" with no end on layovers.
6. Pilot "wagged" weight and balance calculations.

Etc.

The Russians have a term for that: Nekulturny. Google it.
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Dude here is the HELP:

1. Understand it won't stop immediately. When you are obsessed with Southwest, it is a bit like addiction - it won't go away overnight. Start by slowly stopping. If you try to completely stop, at first it won't work. After you feel the obsession is easing off, stop some more.

2. Find something else. Try to be obsessed on something else, maybe where you work. It helps if it is something your friend is obsessed about. If you can't get obsessed with it, just pretend you like working at Alaska. When you start forgetting about the other thing, stop going on about both of them.

3. Take away reminders. If you have stuck pictures of Southwest Specialty Aircraft all over your wall or something, start taking them off. Remember, though, that like everything else, if you do it straight away it won't work. The more gradually the better. Anything that is going to remind you of the obsession will not help.

4. Make sure you know you want to. Remember that almost everyone is obsessed about something, be it lampposts, cars or celebrities. Do not be ashamed of an obsession, but understand that one will just lead to another.
 
buzzfly said:
The interesting part is your MEC put no value in the possibility of your scenario happening. Even if it was a 5% chance, you should have been allowed to vote on the agreement. For some reason the financial gains are viewed seperately from a fair and equitable seniority list integration. The are intertwined, not just by me, our negotiating committe or your MEC, but will be by the Arbitrator.

Are you happy, disappointed, furious that your MEC voted for you? My wife would have been furious.

Interesting on how your banter is already at lawsuit stage (TWA pilots). The stage that implies you have no job.
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Thing most folks here forget is that MaCakill Bond is based on Allegany/ Mohwak and that has zero to do with how much $$$ folks made. If I was the Air Tran MEC i would head that way too. .
 
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