SWA goes after RJs again

[Luv2BFlyin]

Your almost right FA. But there are some that can't get hired at certain airlines and never would even get a call. Things like not college degree for some, or being fired at another 121 carrier. But other than that, you're right.

Or didn?t want to pay for a type if they didn't already have it from a previous carrier or from the military if they didn't want to contribute to the degradation of the industry.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Got mine at USAir. About the only thing of value I came out of there with before the furlough and the lost decade. Still don't think that is reason for people to get into an internet brawl over whose airline is better. It truly doesn't matter at the end of the day. We are all just pilots trying to make a living.

 

[General Lee]

Got mine at USAir. About the only thing of value I came out of there with before the furlough and the lost decade. Still don't think that is reason for people to get into an internet brawl over whose airline is better. It truly doesn't matter at the end of the day. We are all just pilots trying to make a living.

Sure, everyone is trying to make a living, but now pilots have a choice, and not all airlines are the same. Some are domestic only, some have infighting, some have variety. With 15,000 retirements at the big 3 alone, I'd say people should take a look at all (including some LCCs) of them and figure out the actual differences. Some are lead by competent management, some aren't. Some have contentious contracts coming up, some are due huge profit sharing. There are differences. FI can somewhat help show those, or point people in the right direction. Choosing a job that lasts a lifetime (until 65 anyway) is important.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[ron burgundy]

Make sure to bitch to your Congressman the next time he does his job and votes on something on your behalf.

True politician!

You elected me (based on rhetoric and false statements/intentions).

You can't blame me!!

 

[waveflyer]

Flop, how do your FOs handle your dementia?
I'm just curious

 

[FurloughedAgain]

I agree General. That was the least offensive thing you've said in months. If every post were that thoughtful and reasonable I would have no beef. But instead they devolve into blame and personal attacks. None of us has any real control over how our airline conducts business. We just hope it's good enough to last to retirement with no major upsets. We can discuss the merit of individual carriers so that pilots can attempt to choose (though I still believe most pilots apply at all of them and go to the one that hires them first - that's what I did, several times). And we can do it without disparaging nicknames and personal attacks. We are better than this.

You and I have been on this site for a long time General. It didn't used to be this bad.

 

[Flopgut]

Flop, how do your FOs handle your dementia?
I'm just curious

Most are older than me. Flew with one hired in the late 70s not long ago (voluntary UAL furlough) said he was surprised I understood some of the stuff from the 80s as well as I did.

What I wonder about you is what makes you so sure of yourself. I was thinking about how long I've been arguing with you. You were fresh off the street and instantly a SWA expert. Knew it all from day 1. Somehow most of you hired by them are that way. It's very interesting. Furloughed is right, most of us just go with who hires us, but you guys are a little different.

 

[waveflyer]

Oh man, c'mon. I walked onto the SWA property already set financially and way more arrogant then than I am now.
(Kids will do that to you)
Maybe I'll learn humility at some point-

none of which makes your post above make any sense.

 

[Flopgut]

Oh man, c'mon. I walked onto the SWA property already set financially and way more arrogant then than I am now.
(Kids will do that to you)
Maybe I'll learn humility at some point-

none of which makes your post above make any sense.

^^^you sure have turned into a huge weirdo^^^

 

[Scoot 11]

Oh man, c'mon. I walked onto the SWA property already set financially and way more arrogant then than I am now.
(Kids will do that to you)
Maybe I'll learn humility at some point-

none of which makes your post above make any sense.

If you became any more of a narcissist, you most likely wouldn't be able to hold a class 1 medical.
Wait....you're already set financially, hence the pft troll sellout you are!

 

[Hamfighter]

As an ASA/Delta guy, I have to say this is brilliant marketing.

 

[808pilot]

I hate to say it ... But... Because of this thread I automatically look at delta and southwest pilots as ******************************bags... And I have close friends at both... Makes for great reading/entertainment though! Well done!
This is a classic she said/she said...

 

[General Lee]

I hate to say it ... But... Because of this thread I automatically look at delta and southwest pilots as ******************************bags... And I have close friends at both... Makes for great reading/entertainment though! Well done!
This is a classic she said/she said...

Great generalizations. Yeah, everyone who flies for the airlines you WISH you could fly for are D-bags...... Greeaaattt. You're special.....

As Chris Rock says, "What are you? Igna-int?" You appear to be...


Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[808pilot]

yep generalizations... both sides spin the same BS... neither will ever admit that the other has made mistakes and neither will compliment the other on the gains they have made... so therefore you all come off as arrogant a--holes... and i'm speaking purely off this website... airliners.net guys are not nearly as wound tight... but thats what makes this site so much fun!
all airlines have brought us to where we are today... no one is allowed to toot their own horn... bunch a donkeys comparing who takes a better dump... carry on...

 

[808pilot]

oh and i'm right where i want to be...

 

[waveflyer]

We do not talk about who takes prettier sh/ts.
Everyone already knows that I do.
Delta pilots either piss ex sundaes out their arse or crew meals have them popping out little pellets like guinea pigs make.
They say that delta modeled their hat after a SWA pilot who took a dump by the volleyball net outside the layover hotel in Tampa

Well scoot's hat at least

 

[General Lee]

yep generalizations... both sides spin the same BS... neither will ever admit that the other has made mistakes and neither will compliment the other on the gains they have made... so therefore you all come off as arrogant a--holes... and i'm speaking purely off this website... airliners.net guys are not nearly as wound tight... but thats what makes this site so much fun!
all airlines have brought us to where we are today... no one is allowed to toot their own horn... bunch a donkeys comparing who takes a better dump... carry on...

Fantastic insight George Will..... Wow, I feel greatness just reading your summary. Wait for it, wait for it, yep, I farted. Thank you.

And it's great you enjoy towing banners.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

We do not talk about who takes prettier sh/ts.
Everyone already knows that I do.
Delta pilots either piss ex sundaes out their arse or crew meals have them popping out little pellets like guinea pigs make.
They say that delta modeled their hat after a SWA pilot who took a dump by the volleyball net outside the layover hotel in Tampa

Well scoot's hat at least

Check it out, Wavey is high on dope!



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

Or high on shet fumes.

 

[Scoot 11]

We do not talk about who takes prettier sh/ts.
Everyone already knows that I do.
Delta pilots either piss ex sundaes out their arse or crew meals have them popping out little pellets like guinea pigs make.
They say that delta modeled their hat after a SWA pilot who took a dump by the volleyball net outside the layover hotel in Tampa

Well scoot's hat at least

Come on sellout. Just admit it. For decades you pay for training trolls lowered the bar! Then you justify taking one of those RJ jobs you so despise!
Save your cute talk to the guys at the gym. I'm sure the only other thing more pathetic than your bragging rights, are you in a workout "T"!

 

[waveflyer]

You lonely dalpa sellout- I know all people need attention, but stalking me on FI isn't gonna do much for you

 

[dicko]

Anybody like to comment on SWAPAs mind numbingly high contract goals:

1. A 10% pay increase over 5 years, and

2. An increase in Retirement of 2.3%.


YHGTBFSM



Note - Somebody translate the numbers for Wave. He'll be confused by the funny squiggles and slashes. It may lead to him become frustrated, have a quiet weep and then start an insightful new thread titled - "Why are horses ears soft, and is this related to people staring at me at the airport".

 

[PCL_128]

Those numbers seem about right, actually (although the retirement should be a non-elective contribution rather than a match). But I haven't seen those numbers from SWAPA. The newsletter never seems to be down in the crew lounge when I'm there. Is that what they're publicly saying are their goals?

 

[Nindiri]

One problem we have here is that so many people have accepted the line from SWAPA about our contract being so awesome, when it's really not that great. The pay rates are pretty good, but most all of the other sections range from average to weak. Unfortunately, a lot of pilots here came straight from the military or regionals, and can't and/or refuse to comprehend that there are better contracts out there. SWAPA will tell us what a great deal they have negotiated, and we will dutifully ratify it.

 

[Nindiri]

Interesting thread, though. Everything from Roomwithaview, aka "Mr Furious", to Scoot11 and his obsession with anything he perceives as PFT.

 

[waveflyer]

Nindiri-
I can agree with that- but get specific for this crowd.
What rules would you like to see better?

 

[PCL_128]

wave, about the only thing you have better than industry standard is minimum days off. Everything else is weak to downright awful. I'm amazed that your reserve pilots haven't completely revolted by now.

 

[Scoot 11]

You lonely dalpa sellout- I know all people need attention, but stalking me on FI isn't gonna do much for you

Come on you PFT sellout! Just admit it. Use that nut drainer of yours for something other than making friends at the gym! Admit it!
You took one of those dreadful RJ jobs that you despise so much. Couldn't get a job anywhere, so you bought your job, like the PFT troll you are!
It's ok, with close to 10,000 posts, you're just as much of a colossal doosh as genital lee!

 

[HowardBorden]

wave, about the only thing you have better than industry standard is minimum days off. Everything else is weak to downright awful. I'm amazed that your reserve pilots haven't completely revolted by now.

This is where you lose all credibility. You either are woefully misinformed or are deliberately disingenuous.

We have a lot of areas that are deficient and yes reserve is certainly one of them, retirement is another but to state the only piece that is above industry standard is minimum days off is demonstrably false.

How about codeshare and scope?

How about average daily guarantee of 6.5?

How about minimum day of 5.0?

How about the highest 737 rates?

As a matter of fact, how about highest narrow body rates except for the Delta 757 which pays $3.00 an hour more?

How about each and every pilot on the list earning those wages?

 

[redflyer65]

This is where you lose all credibility. You either are woefully misinformed or are deliberately disingenuous.

We have a lot of areas that are deficient and yes reserve is certainly one of them, retirement is another but to state the only piece that is above industry standard is minimum days off is demonstrably false.

How about codeshare and scope?

Nobody comes close. Not even in the same ballpark.


How about average daily guarantee of 6.5?

Same. His beloved DL has a rig that pays 21 for a 4 day with 3hr sits. Fail.

How about minimum day of 5.0?

How about the highest 737 rates?

As a matter of fact, how about highest narrow body rates except for the Delta 757 which pays $3.00 an hour more?

How about each and every pilot on the list earning those wages?

We are behind in retirement and work rules for reserves (but WAY ahead for lineholders). Nobody comes close to the days off on reserve....which in itself is huge.

Oh, and no Airport Reserve like AirTran had. That would suck.