SWA/FL Codeshare

[canyonblue]

I know a tranny that was an APR or MAR 2001 hire that has crossed over to SWA already.

So do I.

 

[redflyer65]

Why?

I'm simply looking at what I make now versus what I'll make there .

But that's part of the rub Lear. The contract your under now is because of Southwest. Not saying it shouldn't be better (or that you thought you were shorted), but it was almost instantly after the announcement to purchase was released...poof, a new improved contract from what you had. So what you had before the SW announcement vs. what you would have on this side of the fence would be a more realistic comparison. You may never agree with me, but that's the true apples to apples difference. How many more years was Joe going to continue to stonewall you?

 

[Citrusflyer]

But that's part of the rub Lear. The contract your under now is because of Southwest. Not saying it shouldn't be better (or that you thought you were shorted), but it was almost instantly after the announcement to purchase was released...poof, a new improved contract from what you had. So what you had before the SW announcement vs. what you would have on this side of the fence would be a more realistic comparison. You may never agree with me, but that's the true apples to apples difference. How many more years was Joe going to continue to stonewall you?

However, because BF was simultaneously in talks with SWA for a merger during the last year of our contract talks those talks were stalled (from management's side) because they had no incentive to move on and get a deal. They were waiting for a conclusion to merger talks before moving on to the pilots. So, in some ways SWA artificially lengthened the negotiations. As to exactly where the quality of the contract would have ended up with/without a merger is arguable.

 

[humveedriver]

So do I.

Is that bad?

Referencing senior or junior making the transition. You have a good number of folks that transitioned from MKE and MCO. There are some relatively junior capts and FO's who got to transition out of seniority because they were at those bases. I think it would have been more fair to put those slots up to the whole group and then do a reduction notice for the base. That way a more senior AT FO gets the pay raise and a more senior AT Capt doesn't have to commute.

Red; Joe retired a while back. The common denominator in all our negotiations was Kolski.

 

[cl65capt]

There's plenty of mid 2004 hires that have transitioned over. I'm one of them and I was ATL based. I was also a captain my last 4 years at the Tran. Pay wise I break even at around 95 TFP.

 

[humveedriver]

There's plenty of mid 2004 hires that have transitioned over. I'm one of them and I was ATL based. I was also a captain my last 4 years at the Tran. Pay wise I break even at around 95 TFP.

More 717 slots transitioned in year one. I suppose my example is geared more towards the 737. Thanks for the pay comparison. Many of our folks try to convert the two pays using hourly rate instead of TFP an it skews the numbers.

 

[Britpilot]

But that's part of the rub Lear. The contract your under now is because of Southwest. Not saying it shouldn't be better (or that you thought you were shorted), but it was almost instantly after the announcement to purchase was released...poof, a new improved contract from what you had. So what you had before the SW announcement vs. what you would have on this side of the fence would be a more realistic comparison. You may never agree with me, but that's the true apples to apples difference. How many more years was Joe going to continue to stonewall you?

Yup, that's the truth. We were getting nowhere with no end in sight, except Joe was gone and it was Bob F. who was at the helm.

 

[redflyer65]

Roger about the K-man vs Joey. Anyway, water under the bridge. I'd like to see it all behind us quickly but they never called for my opinion.

 

[General Lee]

But that's part of the rub Lear. The contract your under now is because of Southwest. Not saying it shouldn't be better (or that you thought you were shorted), but it was almost instantly after the announcement to purchase was released...poof, a new improved contract from what you had. So what you had before the SW announcement vs. what you would have on this side of the fence would be a more realistic comparison. You may never agree with me, but that's the true apples to apples difference. How many more years was Joe going to continue to stonewall you?

There is the rub Red. Why do you still have 2 seperate contracts? Say WHAT???? HUH????? WHY? SWAPA should have stopped that. A JOINT contract should have been done. Without one, it's hard to feel "the luv." Let's look at RECENT mergers. Which ones have been considered "successful", and which ones have been considered "a train wreck?" You guys had the chance to look at both before your own transaction. Which road did you take? HMMMMMMM. The WRONG ONE. But, overall your group did better, which is why there is a problem. Higher pay always takes the STING away from SLI bad feelings. You did that, but one guy at a time going to Corndog Highschool.

What is funny to many of us is that you thought the feeling "Hey, I'm now a Corndog. That's enough for me to feel AWESOME. I'll wait for the pay later" was going to work...... Red, money talks.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Roger about the K-man vs Joey. Anyway, water under the bridge. I'd like to see it all behind us quickly but they never called for my opinion.

Nobody will call you Red, nobody has your Mom's basement phone number. And I bet a lot of you would like to see this all behind you, but hard feelings can linger...


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

There is the rub Red. Why do you still have 2 seperate contracts? Say WHAT???? HUH????? WHY? SWAPA should have stopped that. A JOINT contract should have been done. Without one, it's hard to feel "the luv." Let's look at RECENT mergers. Which ones have been considered "successful", and which ones have been considered "a train wreck?" You guys had the chance to look at both before your own transaction. Which road did you take? HMMMMMMM. The WRONG ONE. But, overall your group did better, which is why there is a problem. Higher pay always takes the STING away from SLI bad feelings. You did that, but one guy at a time going to Corndog Highschool.

What is funny to many of us is that you thought the feeling "Hey, I'm now a Corndog. That's enough for me to feel AWESOME. I'll wait for the pay later" was going to work...... Red, money talks.


Bye Bye---General Lee

In the end General, what's your point. IT'S OVER!

Your Deadhorse Lubbock and SLI discussion is pretty stale. It's going to be interesting to see how many years you try to continue this schtick. I'm sorry you didn't get your USair type bloodbath at your hated Southwest. You can't stand to see the machine continue to make profits when your beloved Ma Delta got sent through the Bankruptcy ringer. As Canyonblue said earlier, your hated for anything and everything SW related really skyrocketed after 9/11. You do know we didn't furlough anyone and actually continued the class that started on 9/12 right? Delta? No so much.

Good luck with Richard thinking outside the box. It's going to be interesting how the refinery and VA think turn out. I seriously have doubts either one will be good for the line pilots at DL.

Thanks again for bringing up the SAME stale arguements day in and day out.

RF

 

[vixin]

I know a tranny that was an APR or MAR 2001 hire that has crossed over to SWA already.

. Isn't that an 11 yr guy then?

 

[ATLplt]

Good news for a change:

ATL base announced in 2013!

 

[Tripower455]

There is the rub Red. Why do you still have 2 seperate contracts? Say WHAT???? HUH????? WHY? SWAPA should have stopped that. A JOINT contract should have been done. Without one, it's hard to feel "the luv."

They are still 2 separate companies. You know that right?

Let's look at RECENT mergers. Which ones have been considered "successful", and which ones have been considered "a train wreck?" You guys had the chance to look at both before your own transaction. Which road did you take? HMMMMMMM. The WRONG ONE. But, overall your group did better, which is why there is a problem.

Really? Every merged employee I've encountered loves it here. Can't say that for the almighty Delta!

Higher pay always takes the STING away from SLI bad feelings. You did that, but one guy at a time going to Corndog Highschool.

In case you forgot, the AT guys were offered SW pay by SW (not SWApA, who had little say in the matter) on DAY ONE, and passed on it.

What is funny to many of us is that you thought the feeling "Hey, I'm now a Corndog. That's enough for me to feel AWESOME. I'll wait for the pay later" was going to work......

Delta thought the same way...... And they didn't even offer the Pan Am guys parity from day one for them to turn down!

 

[Tripower455]

There's plenty of mid 2004 hires that have transitioned over. I'm one of them and I was ATL based. I was also a captain my last 4 years at the Tran. Pay wise I break even at around 95 TFP.

Thanks for saying that. I knew I wasn't imagining it.

With the exception of Jan and Feb, (it varies somewhat), most of our 13 day lines pay 95+ out of the box. Some months, much more.

In Jan '13, the lines went below guarantee, but they add the pay back into your line to make up for it.

 

[freightdogfred]

In case you forgot, the AT guys were offered SW pay by SW (not SWApA, who had little say in the matter) on DAY ONE, and passed on it.

I know you actually believe the bullshat you write, but what the AT pilots were passing on was the lopsided, unfair and unrealistic seniority grab that SC and the rest of his merry men trotted out. The money was welcomed, the proposed ISL was not. Why do you persist in posting this nonsense? It's over, yet you continue to post this drivel

 

[canyonblue]

Is that bad?

No, just referencing that I know who SWA/FO was talking about.

 

[Tripower455]

I know you actually believe the bullshat you write, but what the AT pilots were passing on was the lopsided, unfair and unrealistic seniority grab that SC and the rest of his merry men trotted out. The money was welcomed, the proposed ISL was not. Why do you persist in posting this nonsense? It's over, yet you continue to post this drivel

The troll and I were discussing PAY PARITY when I posted that. Nothing else related to the SLI.

Your MEC didn't say no to the first offer, which included full parity?

FWIW, I think and have always thought that you guys not getting our pay from day one was a mistake. It's not good for either group to have what amounts to a B scale, even for a few years.

 

[General Lee]

They are still 2 separate companies. You know that right?



Really? Every merged employee I've encountered loves it here. Can't say that for the almighty Delta!



In case you forgot, the AT guys were offered SW pay by SW (not SWApA, who had little say in the matter) on DAY ONE, and passed on it.



Delta thought the same way...... And they didn't even offer the Pan Am guys parity from day one for them to turn down!

Hi TRI, we had a JOINT CONTRACT quicker (same pay for same planes), then an SLI, and then FAA approval for single certificate in RECORD TIME. YOU ARE TOO SLOW FOR THAT? HUH? You taxi at 30 kts, but take years to get a single certificate? Very nice. Btw, who is taking the bag fees at AT? Is AT using all of the bag fee money? Who gets that? RIIIIIIGHT.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

The troll and I were discussing PAY PARITY when I posted that. Nothing else related to the SLI.

Your MEC didn't say no to the first offer, which included full parity?

FWIW, I think and have always thought that you guys not getting our pay from day one was a mistake. It's not good for either group to have what amounts to a B scale, even for a few years.

Where was SWAPA about the pay parity? Were they all doing the 1 2 3 rule at a bar near Hobby? Ridiculous... And do you ALWAYS take the first offer for everything? Well, I guess some people better......they LEARNED something important. I bet SWAPA will take GK's first offer too when he maybe wants cuts coming up here too....


Bye Bye---General Lee