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Sorry to hear that to those who got the letter....don't give up, the right thing will come along and hey you could always apply next year.
 
Live in Oklahoma at the moment. I have applied to several corp positions but unfortunatly I have no contacts, which we all know is important. Trying to keep my options open...
 
The Grim Mailman

1stCiv

I'm sorry to hear about the bad mail. My mail was being held a few weeks while I completed a move. I can see the mailbox, but I'm hesitant to waddle out there.

For those interested...

I met 1stCiv at the interviews that fateful day last month and know firsthand how high quality those PIC hours are he's got, and what a sharp guy he is. It's a shame he didn't get picked up, but good things will turn up for him, I'm sure.

I've heard that if your refs get called but you don't get offered a position, it may mean that your LOI didn't go so well, or maybe somebody in the company had something bad to say about you. [Can anyone verify?] It alarms me, becuase none of my references have been called, and 1stCiv and I made the same decision on our LOI.

At least I can look forward to going back to SW Oklahoma for a few months...

Cheers
B
 
There are lots of places hiring and since your in the military you have connections to Fedex and UPS. Also Omni is hiring and there in Oklahoma.
 
I feel for the guys who didn't get selected. I know the pain. Same boat of having refs called, but then a letter. Try not to beat yourself up too much. Don't give up on aviation just yet. There are numerous quality companies hiring right now. Get up, dust yourself off, and get back on the horse.
 
Beaker said:
I met 1stCiv at the interviews that fateful day last month and know firsthand how high quality those PIC hours are he's got, and what a sharp guy he is. It's a shame he didn't get picked up, but good things will turn up for him, I'm sure.

I agree and if aviation is where his heart is he should rethink the regionals, some 121 experience will improve his resume. If he suplements that income with some guard/eserve income he should be fine. It is a tough road, but he isn't the first to trudge down it.

I've heard that if your refs get called but you don't get offered a position, it may mean that your LOI didn't go so well, or maybe somebody in the company had something bad to say about you. [Can anyone verify?] It alarms me, becuase none of my references have been called, and 1stCiv and I made the same decision on our LOI.

FWIW I don't think LOI is so much anbout the decisions you make but more how you reach them (I am just a line swine PHX FO so I could be wrong).

No one can say with any certainty what the significance of referances being called, but it is a posative sign. I've helped a few folks get hired here and I've helped a few who did't get hired. They've called me for *most* of the folks who have gotten hired. There was one exception. They've never called me for the folks who didn't get hired.
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Cross your fingers and always have a plan b.

Good luck guys.
 
Whataburger said:
Where you in the Aug DB?
Thanx.
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No, June DB, but I know what you guys are going through. Best to try and forget about it and enjoy the weekend.
 
1stCivDiv said:
Bad mail received today...Sux Had all my refs called, 1500 Jet PIC etc. Good luck to you all hope the mailman stays away. Seriously thinking about another career, as regionals are not an option supporting a family on 21 bucks an hour. Hope you all have better luck!
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Sorry to hear you are too good for the regionals. A 2400 hour wonder like yourself is way too good for an entry level position. Have fun in your other career.
 
Hey guys I got the letter also today after getting my refernces called. What a heart breaker. Good luck to those still in the running.
 
Mr. Hat

Just curious, what state do you live in??
I'm trying to find out the radius from dallas the mail has traveled in 4 days.
Thanx.
 
The Carnage Continues

Got my letter today, in Ohio. Interviewed the 3rd week of July... 5-6 got letters from my group of 12 already.


Quag
 
Are you kidding me?

Lequip said:
Sorry to hear you are too good for the regionals. A 2400 hour wonder like yourself is way too good for an entry level position. Have fun in your other career.
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Before you go spouting about which you know nothing about, try supporting a wife and two kids on 20000 a year. It has nothing to do about me being "too good" for the regionals, it is about being able to support my family.
 
Sorry Fella's

Guys,
I cringe at all these letters going out, and when I try to put myself emotionally in your places, I get a pit in my stomach. For what it's worth, with the utmost respect but in frustration, I gave a 21 year guy on the jump seat, with 5 years of interview/hiring experience, a little grief the other day due the large number of extremely qualified people I perceive getting turned down. I was somewhat comforted by his genuine regret, and was informed that this was similar to the past cycles during periods of furlough. It doesn't help, but I was led to believe that during these times with monsterous stacks of resumes and immense numbers of qualified interviewees with great personalities and tons of LOR's, the DB was essentially down to "throwing darts at a dartboard...but not really?" We've had about 50% luck from my Airwing post 9/11, so I guess that's avg to above. Still, when I put faces to names of those not selected, it sorta feels personal. Again, best of luck if you try again, or in whatever endevour you all persue.
Chris
 
mach92 and bigmeat,
Sorry to hear the bad news. I am not looking forward to monday's mail. I am in Wisconsin and just wondering if it's a matter of time. I havent heard of any calls going out.
 
Got the letter here, too. I'm not real pleased; I really thought I did well. Guess there's next year... Argh.
 
Yikes! Did we hire anyone? Sorry guys I'll ask around and see if something has changed. I hope we still hire decent average joes, because the really sharp ones are going to drive me crazy on a four day.
 
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chris69 said:
For what it's worth, with the utmost respect but in frustration, I gave a 21 year guy on the jump seat, with 5 years of interview/hiring experience, a little grief the other day due the large number of extremely qualified people I perceive getting turned down. I was somewhat comforted by his genuine regret, and was informed that this was similar to the past cycles during periods of furlough. It doesn't help, but I was led to believe that during these times with monsterous stacks of resumes and immense numbers of qualified interviewees with great personalities and tons of LOR's, the DB was essentially down to "throwing darts at a dartboard...but not really?"
Chris
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Nice post Chris, thanks.

Looks like I either need to join your airwing, or just delete my app from the online database. I think that I'd rather wait a year until the apps dry up in order to better my odds. Why press for the interview now, and get it, only to be competing with every swinging richard in the world.

If SWA managed to find the "right" people in times past, when the "best of the best" wouldn't give SWA a second look, you'd think that they could find two or three people who fit their profile without having to go through a couple of hundred. In other words, SWA, go back the old way and stop wasting your time, your money, and us wannabe's money. The only people who profit from the current system are the type rating schools.

In all seriousness, if you've been happy with the talent you atracted in 1995, why have you all of the sudden gotten much more picky. If I were a SWA guy with more than a couple years seniority, I might take your present selection process as a slap in the face. After all, I (continuing with the above scenario) think that I have been an asset, but maybe not. Maybe your not really happy with us "old" guys.

If it weren't broke, why'd you fix it?

:-)
 
One of my more senior SWA rec's called his CP to try and find out what happened. CP told him I was recommended by the PD and the LOI went well no other negatives. Deciding factor was only so many slots and they racked and stacked based on hours. Obviously my 1500 Jet PIC didn't hold up. Just thought I would pass the info along...
 
1stCivDiv said:
One of my more senior SWA rec's called his CP to try and find out what happened. CP told him I was recommended by the PD and the LOI went well no other negatives. Deciding factor was only so many slots and they racked and stacked based on hours. Obviously my 1500 Jet PIC didn't hold up. Just thought I would pass the info along...
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Glad to hear SWA is hiring the most qualified pilots. Nothing like some snot nosed low timer who thinks he is owed the world just because he is military. Maybe you should go build some more time before you want to try and roll with us Big Boys.
 
Here we go again..

Lequip said:
Glad to hear SWA is hiring the most qualified pilots. Nothing like some snot nosed low timer who thinks he is owed the world just because he is military. Maybe you should go build some more time before you want to try and roll with us Big Boys.
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Judging by your previous posts, your Personal Dept. let a turd slip in when they hired you and I'm sure your co-workers feel the same way. Seriously, get a life bro...It's easy hiding behind your computer and throw out childish and ridiculas comments and adding absolutely nothing to the thread.
 

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