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SWA Announces DEN Routes

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SWA GUY said:
Wellll...... seems WN is getting a good bashing here and without provocation.

I suggest anger management classes. If that doesn't work try kicking the dog/wife/children, not in that particular order.

Not at all SWA GUY. I think nipping any arrogance in the bud would be a better anaysis. You will find most Frontier guys to be a first class group that respects those that respect them. From your profile, I assume you remember the days of the arrogant UAL, DAL, NWA, AA pilots, I'd hate to see the good folks at SWA fall into that category.
 
SWA GUY said:
Wellll...... seems WN is getting a good bashing here and without provocation.

I suggest anger management classes. If that doesn't work try kicking the dog/wife/children, not in that particular order.

Bashing? Because we're doing something other than singing the praises of the "almight WN?" C'mon - get over yourself. This is just a friendly discussion - not everybody has been drinking the WN Koolaid. It's a big world out there, and hopefully there will be enough to go around for everyone. Nobody's going to "win" in Denver. and I for one, don't wish for SWA to "get their butts kicked" at DIA. It would have been nice to have heard a little more humility from the likes of yourself, but c'est la vie. I don't need anger management, and your suggestion that anyone else on this thread does is simply a lame copout.

Good luck in Denver. I don't believe you'll see anyone at Frontier just "roll over" and watch what we've worked our butts off for disappear just because there's yet another player in town. Welcome to the game.
 
Remember that this is a very small anonomyus group speaking on behalf of SWA. To compare the arrogance of a group of pilots based on this board is just plane "nuts". The employees at SWA have worked hard for many years to rise to the top and their efforts are finally paying off. Like most everyone at any airline out there, we are just trying to make a good career for ourselves and support our families.

Let the bashing continue....
 
FlyinGuy said:
Remember that this is a very small anonomyus group speaking on behalf of SWA. To compare the arrogance of a group of pilots based on this board is just plane "nuts". The employees at SWA have worked hard for many years to rise to the top and their efforts are finally paying off. Like most everyone at any airline out there, we are just trying to make a good career for ourselves and support our families.

Let the bashing continue....

Spoken like a true gentleman! I AGREE.
 
FlyinGuy said:
Remember that this is a very small anonomyus group speaking on behalf of SWA. To compare the arrogance of a group of pilots based on this board is just plane "nuts". The employees at SWA have worked hard for many years to rise to the top and their efforts are finally paying off. Like most everyone at any airline out there, we are just trying to make a good career for ourselves and support our families.

Let the bashing continue....

Very good point - thanks for reminding us of that. I don't think we were so much bashing SWA as much as responding to a few select knuckleheads. Every company's got 'em. I have ultimate respect for most of the SWA pilots, and each of us should expect nothing less than the utmost professionalism. Sorry if it got personal or out of hand.
:beer:
 
Hey Pipe, just wanted to know where your airport "class" was when WestPac and Frontier were battling it out at Den by selling $39 fares. I was at Westpac, and we carried lots of folks whose baggage was either paper or plastic. Then again, I never understood back then why someone from Denver would pay $1200 for a round trip ticket to Seattle on United, when you could do the same on someone else for a third or less...
Frontier and SWA are good airlines... the city and people of Denver will be better off with a little more competition, unless you want to go back to the basic monopoly that UAL had before F9 (and any other airline that serves that city)
One last thing, to those of you who accuse SW pilots of being overpaid... the fact is they are more efficient than any other airlines. It used to be most pilots at the majors bragged about well they were paid, and how little they flew. You simply don't have that argument at SWA. A pilot can, and does make good money, but he/she is also working more than most to get it. I used to have 42 hr layovers at a Major carrier I worked for... WTF... no wonder they can't make money. Like it or not, SWA is the model of efficiency, and most other carriers could do well to learn from them.
 
WN pilots are not overpaid. They get jack squat in non-salary compensation. UAL for example (and I do not work there) gets another 35% in non-salary compenstaion. WN - nada (unless you count the "bet" that are stock options).

PIPE
 
Pipe your miss informing the public again. Nada you say. I suggest you look again. For example what do you or United pay for health care?
 
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I pay about $90/month currently. Full medical PPO, vision, dental. This is for family coverage. Blue Cross/Blue Shield.

UAL pilots pay about $190/month for full family medical/dental. Blue Cross/Blue Shield.

F9 - about $350/month for full family medical.

Shall I go on? You're right. I have no idea what I'm talking about.

PIPE
 
Man thats a lot Pipe, I pay about $50 for what you get, thats $140 a month less than UA. Were eating into your 35% non-salary compensation and we haven't talked stock options. We wont carry this any further but our non-salary compensation is good with the exception that we don't have a DB plan, and those thanks to these fearless judges in BK court are leaving quickly elsewhere. So you are correct you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
Pipe
I got full family coverage via Blue Cross, full dental. and vision at SWA. This is all for $14 per month. Don't forget we also get profit sharing and over 7% match on our 401K. All in addition to our salary.
 
Chuck Yogourt said:
Southwest = Wal-Mart. .

I don't know what everyone has against Wal-Mart. I mean where else can you run in and get a bag of beef jerky, and jumper cables?
 

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