SWA Announces DEN Routes

[ACT700]

A bystander's observation, if I may:

Reading the previous posts, I get the feeling that all of you SWA bashers would probably go to work there in a heartbeat, if they were to offer you a flying position!
But that's just $0.02 from a freightdog--and we know nothing, right?!

This thread is sort of like a "Regionals" thread where they all bash each other for being whores, and scabs, for working for such cheap wages.
Yet I bet each and every one of them would jump at the opportunity to fly bigger and better airplanes, for those same whorish wages, should their airline get lucky and get past scope and all that good stuff.

Ahhh, the irony...

 

[SWA/FO]

Yep, you ever think AA hasn't back out of deals?

The gates at Love come to mind....once they put Legend out of business they had no need for them and tried to weezel out of paying for them. I'm sure the list is long for AA.

 

[scoreboard]

Ooooh, your right!!

They have convinced the public, via the media, that they have things like $29 fares. I challenge anyone to go to the website right now and actually get one - it's B.S.!!!

But they do have this today, right now pal:laugh:

look here:

http://www.southwest.com/hotfares/hotfares_air.html

 

[psysicx]

I think oil has done more bad then anything else.

 

[FlyBarneyJets]

Funny...I seem to be carrying the same types of folks on the WN flights I work as I used to carry on all the United Express stuff I used to fly. Hmmm...

You guys that think low-cost means low-class patrons need to get a clue, I think.

 

[jetalc]

Just checked Frontier flight from Denver-MDW Nov 11-13th: $333.00. Fares will go down, business will be driven higher. People are looking for a better deal. I don't think they are yet willing to pay a premium to watch TV for a couple of hours. My humble biased opinion.

Oohhhh...just checked PHX-MDW-PHX on November 3rd, returning the next day:

SWA - $404
F9 - $317.91

And your ridiculous point is what again?

 

[jetalc]

Just checked Frontier flight from Denver-MDW Nov 11-13th: $333.00. Fares will go down, business will be driven higher. People are looking for a better deal. I don't think they are yet willing to pay a premium to watch TV for a couple of hours. My humble biased opinion.

Oh, and if you book it on Travelocity.com (which SWA isn't part of), you can get the RT on F9 for $278...still trying to see your point...

 

[jetalc]

Denver will LUV WN as soon as they see the fares

See above posts. SWA's fares are not as great as everybody touts them to be.

 

[Slug]

Figure it out

Jetwhatever,

Yes, F9 might charge less, but I guarantee you those WN PHX-MDW-PHX flights will be at a 98% load factor. We charge what we can to make money. I'd say our management and pricing folks have it right. Now, if the load factors were much less, I'd say our fares would come down to where the LF would go up. Its called supply and demand. Maybe F9s LFs aren't that high, or their management/pricing folks don't know what to do. Who knows.


Slug

 

[chase]

Taking a one day snapshot of a particular fare is like making snap jjudgements on person who post on forums....they aren't always as they appear to be....some get better, others are worse.

The fare that is offered today on a particular city fare is based upon many factors but the key one is how full is the flight right now....as someone put it, supply & demand....if Airline A has a lower fare today on a particular route than Airline B it may very well be that Airline B has more seats already sold than Airline A....lower prices will hopefully generate the market forces that some on here appear to dislike....if SWA can charge higher fares on a particular route then who's to blame them if the public makes that choice...the same could be said for F9, JB or AA....that's the way the system should work & let competitive forces determine what the fares should be. Airlines have given up $3.4B in wages/benefits between since 2002 but fuel increases have eaten all of those concessions & then some, $6.2B...fares have had to rise at airlines to cover that difference but those increases are only covering a portion of the fuel increases....SWA has been fortunate, lucky, wise to have hedges that diminish that thereby allowing lower fares....they could've raised their prices by 20-30% & still would be within historical averages of where they have stood in the past in relation to other carriers....they have elected to not raise their fares, a choice that is theirs alone.

As an aside....it was pointed out to me recently & I find it interesting that many oversea carriers have done hedges for quite sometime...it is a regular part of their business plan....I realize SWA isn't the only bright guy around & this confirms it...the other explanation is that it gets down to leadership & vision at the top....one must have that if one is to be successful....I believe we'll do OK in DEN, check back on the numbers in a year, I don't think anyone will be disappointed in the result & I suspect that F9 will have carried more pax over that same time also due to the SWA effect....just one person's opinion....

 

[OffHot]

Jetalc, I'll call your bluff. Southwest.com Phx Mdw round trip 3-4 nov is only 312.90 to include tax and the seats are available. Please prove your point with correct information. So what point were you trying to prove? This is turning into "my dog is better than yours".

 

[SWA/FO]

Why is F9 all worried about SWA? You guys seem real scard of us:cartman: ?

 

[AnimalTale]

SWA just RULES! I just hope you can come into Denver with a humble attitude and be respectful of your veteran neighbors.

Ultimately, I know it and you know it, SWA has enough cash on hand to sink UAL and F9. This is capatalism at its best and our pax will determine success or failure. I do know F9 fares from den-las-den are always a little higher than UAL and HP, but somehow F9 packs in the folks. So pricing is not everything.

I remember, too, many years ago Delta, NWA, UAL and Usair where the darlings . They had more cash on hand then debt. Much like SWA is today.

My point is, Enjoy the ride without being arrogant because one day you too could be in the same situation as BANCRUPT UAL, NWA and DELTA.

Have fun in Denver, we will all do good.

Cya

 

[SWA/FO]

Dude...it looks like MDW-PHX-MDW is something like 292.00 on 11/3-11/4.

Its just that us SWA folks like our company and we will defend it. I don't think thats being arrogant.

 

[jetalc]

Jetalc, I'll call your bluff. Southwest.com Phx Mdw round trip 3-4 nov is only 312.90 to include tax and the seats are available. Please prove your point with correct information. So what point were you trying to prove? This is turning into "my dog is better than yours".

Well, I'm not sure what you're looking at, but I went to southwest.com, selected PHX-MDW, Roundtrip, "Internet Special ($202 each way)", selected the departure date of November 3rd, return November 4, 1 adult, no promotion codes, and hit "Select and Pricing" (or whatever the next step is). Actually, the total fare didn't come to $404. It came to $422.90. Your original post simply contained a reference to Frontier charging $333 for a flight from DEN-MDW, and that point is just as out of context as my random comparison of fares. I didn't have to search for a lower fare offered by Frontier - I just thought of two cities, and compared the internet fares - how are you getting such a different fare than the one I just now found, again?

Chase - I bumbled through your post, and I think I get your point. I agree that there is more to this than picking one city pair and having that somehow be and indication of "success." Do you know F9's load factors on those routes? Didn't think so.

SWA/FO - it's spelled "scared" not "scard", and no, I'm not "scard" about SWA coming to DEN. I'm worried about the arrogance shown by SWA people on this board regarding past successes of their company.

Slug - Ditto what I said to Chase.

Guys - this is not meant to be a pissing match. I'm just sick and tired of the mis-information out there regarding SWA's "great fares." Other airlines are offering just as good, and sometimes better fares than SWA. Didn't mean to get your orange panties in a bunch over this, but I will not sit here and listen to more misinformation. There. I feel better now.

Let's see what happens before jumping to conclusions.

 

[jetalc]

Dude...it looks like MDW-PHX-MDW is something like 292.00 on 11/3-11/4.

Its just that us SWA folks like our company and we will defend it. I don't think thats being arrogant.

Try PHX-MDW-PHX.

And I know the feeling - F9 peeps also love this company, and will continue to do whatever we have to do to defend it.

 

[USMC319]

Its just that us SWA folks like our company and we will defend it. I don't think thats being arrogant.

SWA/FO,

I think you will find that the Frontier folks love their company and will defend it as well...without the arrogance. I think that your "SWA rules" attitude doesn't sit well with the folks at F9 that have worked very hard and have sacraficed a lot to build a very high quality airline in Denver. Take a page out of Chase's book and show a little respect. Thanks Chase.

Of course people are going to be concerned (not scared) when the industry's fiscally strongest airline moves into their hub and overlaps its routes. Over-capacity and low yields have been the bane of the industry and this doesn't help. At the end of the day I believe that the impact will be positive for the consumer, neutral for WN, and slightly negative for F9 and the other airlines on these routes. In other words, no big deal.

 

[SWA/FO]

I think something more arrogant would be..."Hey F9 we are coming to DEN to kick your a$$" :smash: .

However, I only typed "SWA rules".
I didn't claim F9 folks don't like their team.

You guys are so sensitive... You guys can call us names, make fun of our passengers and say we lie about our low fares. So when I type SWA rules, that really gets to ya, huh? Defending my company on the board and I'm arrogant imp: ?

 

[jetalc]

Dude...it looks like MDW-PHX-MDW is something like 292.00 on 11/3-11/4.

Its just that us SWA folks like our company and we will defend it. I don't think thats being arrogant.

Passenger
TypeTripRoutingType of FareBase FareU.S.
TaxesPFCSecurity
Fee1Passenger(s)TotalAdultDepartMDW-PHXInternet Special$187.91$17.29$3.00$2.501$210.70ReturnPHX-MDWInternet Special$187.91$17.29$4.50$2.501$212.20http://www.southwest.com/images/1x1.gif Total$375.82$34.58$7.50$5.00 $422.90
Where did you get 292.00? Maybe I'm typing something wrong in here, and it's not my intent to mislead, but this is the fare I'm looking at, even if we are talking MDW-PHX-MDW not PHX-MDW-PHX.

 

[PHXFLYR]

This is quite unfortunate. DEN is one of the few airports in this country that retains a level of class in its airline service, but here come the Clampetts. WN will not do well financially in DEN, they will just hurt F9 and UA and the whole thing will be to the detriment of all. The costs at DIA are almost identical to the costs at SEA, an airport that WN so desperately wanted out of only days ago.

Others on this board mentioned that the people in DEN would love the fares. I can't think of an airline that pi****es me off more than WN and the bogus fares that they advertise. They have convinced the public, via the media, that they have things like $29 fares. I challenge anyone to go to the website right now and actually get one - it's B.S.!!!

I don't have a dog in this fight (although I formerly flew for F9). I hope the people in Denver support their hometown airline. If not, they deserve to have their family of 5 spread throughout the middle seats of a 737 and sandwiched between fat, sweaty, drunk guys in tank tops.

SW has done enough damage what was formerly the worlds most enviable aviation industry. Airplanes are not Greyhound Buses. Flying is neither an entitlement or a right. Sweats and slippers are not appropriate on airplanes. You should not need a good hockey check to get a seat next to your family.

I would like to leave you with one final thought: If Gary Kelly would quit flying airplanes and just broker oil, he would actually make more money. Do the math!

Pipe,


C'mon ,man . Don't hold back,....Tell us how you really feel......
Seriously,though. Excellent post. I think I'd like SW more if they weren' t so
in love with themselves.


PHXFLYR