SWA/Airtran Process Agreement??

[Lear70]

I didn't see anything at the end of 5.G that changes what I wrote or necessitates a new integration timeline. It simply requires SOC and NMB single carrier approval.

Since SWA has already applied for SOC and has approval for and a timeline for it from the FAA, I'm confused how this changes the process agreement,,,?

I'm just here to fly. The rest of it is out of my hands so why worry about it? It will be what it will be, and I trust both respective merger committees to find some kind of middle ground.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Career expectations when? Sept 4 of 2008 when the furlough started or Sept 26. 2010 when Airtran was hiring and taking airplanes with 100 plus new hires below them?

Furlough went back to bottom of the seniority list of Sept. 2007.

 

[Ty Webb]

Whatever makes you feel better. Your RJ's are much less attractive with oil at $120 than they were back in September.

According to Swapa there is absolutely nothing keeping Gary from fragmenting your operation and keeping the parts that he deems desirable. This is permitted by your contract in section 1. If there is no actual combination of operations you will not be on the SWA master seniority list. That isn't a threat that is a fact. Bond/McCaskill only applies in the event of an actual combination of flight operations.

Have you read Section VI of the Process Agreement, signed by SWA and SWAPA, which states, in part, that “Utilizing the foregoing procedures, the Parties will implement an orderly combination of the
Southwest Pilots and AirTran Pilots under a single collective bargaining agreement and
representation by a single collective bargaining representative within a single transportation
system under the RLA.” ?

 

[texman]

Career expectations when? Sept 4 of 2008 when the furlough started or Sept 26. 2010 when Airtran was hiring and taking airplanes with 100 plus new hires below them?

Furlough went back to middle of the seniority list of Sept. 2007.

We had about, I think (400) new hires in 08. All have stayed on property for about equal if not more time in seat than the furloughed 07/08 AT guy's? Just a question. So right off the bat 131 AT guy's and girls will be at the bottom of the new list.

Yes the snap shot date will be the 26th of contract's and list's. Just thinking how a arbitrator would look at the bottom of both lists.

 

[texman]

Have you read Section VI of the Process Agreement, signed by SWA and SWAPA, which states, in part, that “Utilizing the foregoing procedures, the Parties will implement an orderly combination of the
Southwest Pilots and AirTran Pilots under a single collective bargaining agreement and
representation by a single collective bargaining representative within a single transportation
system under the RLA.” ?

Ty,

Talking to all SWA/AT guy's. The ISL will not be binding till SOC and JCBA. But you guys do have a fragmentation clause right? Meaning you go where airplanes go?

 

[Secret Squirrel]

How about the furlough guys that bypassed till 2010? Guys on LOA? Military guys that took the job then went right into Mil leave without actully working the line? Long term Medical? Lots of guys came back to class in the last couple classes to get on the final list. Including managment folks who have not flown the line in years if ever. Good luck to the negotiators.

 

[Ty Webb]

Ty,

Talking to all SWA/AT guy's. The ISL will not be binding till SOC and JCBA. But you guys do have a fragmentation clause right? Meaning you go where airplanes go?

I believe you are correct in that regards. I don't think it is likely, and even less likely now, given the concerns with the -300's, but yes, still possible.

The last thing a SWA pilot, especially an FO, should hope for would be a fragmentation . . . if things are bad enough to be selling aircraft that were making money for AirTran . . . the airline would be shrinking, not growing. Not good for anyone.

 

[cappydd]

They should have been on the list even if furloughed, medical, LOA, or military leave? Its just now a question of where they wind up on the final list. But as I understand it, anyone hired after Sept. 27th will be on bottom??

 

[texman]

I believe you are correct in that regards. I don't think it was ever likely, and even less likely now, given the concerns with the -300's, but yes, still possible.

The last thing a SWA pilot, especially an FO, should hope for would be a fragmentation . . . if things are bad enough to be selling aircraft that were making money for AirTran . . . the airline would be shrinking, not growing. Not good for anyone.

No matter what we will grow. Sounds like GK is ready to rock. 300's hell don't know. We could replace them with 1900's LOL! Well hope to have a overall Net growth. Worked to hard the past 16 years to get to SouthWest, just to be at a shrinking airline.

 

[Ty Webb]

No matter what we will grow. Sounds like GK is ready to rock. 300's hell don't know. We could replace them with 1900's LOL! Well hope to have a overall Net growth. Worked to hard the past 16 years to get to SouthWest, just to be at a shrinking airline.

Amen, brutha! They (SWA mgmnt) are combining two networks, and I think the synergies they find and build on will create a lot of growth.

 

[texman]

They should have been on the list even if furloughed, medical, LOA, or military leave? Its just now a question of where they wind up on the final list. But as I understand it, anyone hired after Sept. 27th will be on bottom??

I agree. Just wondering if a arbitrator will factor in no furloughs for 40 years at SWA. Also use this as a career expectation point. Or are we going to be treated just like every airline, no job is secure.

Gen in 3,2,1.

 

[Flying the Line]

Here is the DMN blog story./
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/04/southwest-airtran-pilot-unions.html

 

[roughneck]

I had to take a break from the nonstop bickering but after listening to todays Swaptalk I thought I would get out my popcorn and watch the show. This should get good.

 

[carl p]

Once AT began hiring again there were no "Involuntary Furloughs" left. That is the distinction with past precedent, the Involuntary Furloughs (people who could not hold a job) have gotten hosed in the past because their seniority did not bring a job to the table. Voluntary Furloughs, Medical, or Military leave have historically been slotted with wherever their peers are on the list regardless if someone took the first recall or bypassed. On September 27 2010, AT had nobody on Involuntary Furlough. We had pilots whose seniority could hold a position who utilized their contractual right to bypass recall. The logic that you have furloughed pilots while hiring 100+ is silly.

Cheers.

 

[ivauir]

Have you read Section VI of the Process Agreement, signed by SWA and SWAPA, which states, in part, that “Utilizing the foregoing procedures, the Parties will implement an orderly combination of the
Southwest Pilots and AirTran Pilots under a single collective bargaining agreement and
representation by a single collective bargaining representative within a single transportation
system under the RLA.” ?

Nothing in the Process Agreement, Transition Agreement, Merger Documents, Bond-McCaskill, Mohawk-Allegheny, or Collective Bargaining Agreements entitles you to employment at Southwest Airlines.