SWA/Airtran Process Agreement??

[400ADude]

Wrong again. Sec 6.A - no way to keep us separate. The lists will be merged into one pilot group under one CBA with one collective bargaining agent with a timeline that basically has it all said and done by this time next year.

You and Bob will have to come up with a new conspiracy theory.

There is a difference between getting a list and merging operations. You're not in the drivers seat of anything.

Your Section 6A. is about as useless as the no forlough clause in the SWA side letter. Totally utterly useless. Sounds like somebody in your union is spending too much time in the buffett line.

 

[Lear70]

There is a difference between getting a list and merging operations. You're not in the drivers seat of anything.

Your Section 6A. is about as useless as the no forlough clause in the SWA side letter. Totally utterly useless. Sounds like somebody in your union is spending too much time in the buffett line.

We shall see. No one, however, said we were in the driver's seat. We simply said we now have a signed document by all 4 parties saying the seniority lists WILL be merged with one CBA and one Collective Bargaining Agent.

Good luck keeping separate operations with a merged seniority list that lets pilots bid wherever they want under Southwest's CBA. Just not feasible.

But if it makes you feel better to keep up the doom and gloom, go right ahead, just not any of us listening to you and Baghdad Bob.

You have a nice day now, mkay?

 

[KarmaPolice]

DALLAS, April 14, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- Earlier today, the respective Unions representing Southwest Airlines (NYSE:LUV - News) and AirTran Airways Pilots, as well as both Companies signed a Four-Party Process Agreement that provides for the two pilot groups to begin their seniority integration discussions prior to legal closing of the AirTran acquisition. It also outlines provisions of an implementation schedule in the event an agreement is reached on an integrated seniority list (ISL). Southwest anticipates closing on its acquisition of AirTran Airways in second quarter of 2011.

"This is yet another important step in the overall process of bringing these two great carriers together," said Mike Van de Ven, Southwest Airlines Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer. "I applaud both sides for signing this important agreement that lays the groundwork for bringing together these two hard working Pilot groups."

The Southwest Airlines Pilots' Association (SWAPA) and the Air Line Pilots' Association (ALPA) can now begin the work of integrating seniority lists in accordance with the McCaskill-Bond Act. This new Four-Party Process Agreement also creates a timeline for SWAPA and ALPA to reach an ISL agreement. If an agreement is not reached during this timeframe, the matter will be sent to arbitration and a new implementation process will have to be negotiated.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Southwest-Airlines-Pilots-prnews-2941733372.html?x=0&.v=1

 

[400ADude]

We shall see. No one, however, said we were in the driver's seat. We simply said we now have a signed document by all 4 parties saying the seniority lists WILL be merged with one CBA and one Collective Bargaining Agent.

Good luck keeping separate operations with a merged seniority list that lets pilots bid wherever they want under Southwest's CBA. Just not feasible.

But if it makes you feel better to keep up the doom and gloom, go right ahead, just not any of us listening to you and Baghdad Bob.

You have a nice day now, mkay?

No doom and gloom just reality.

There will be a CBA with one seniority list when they combine operations. When those operations combine, if ever, will the seniority list take effect.

We all know you want the pay raise, I don't blame you. Just don't screw it up because it is possible to do that. Oh yeah, you won't get your big raise until the operations are fully merged not just some silly SLI.

The feeling at SWA is nobody wants their own seniority list watered down by individuals like yourself who couldn't get hired here (and there are a lot of you) or by an airline with such low pay and benefits. You'd feel the same way too, seriously you would and you know it. When and if you do come over here, it will be viewed as this, no matter what they do with renumbering the seniority list.

 

[SWA/FO]

There will be a CBA with one seniority list when they combine operations. When those operations combine, if ever, will the seniority list take effect.

this is a true statement. IF or WHEN is the question.

 

[funnyman12]

400Adude...Have you read the process agreement? What you have just typed is inaccurate. Sorry it sounds like this agreement is an excellent path to integrate the airlines....in conjunction with Gary Kelly's #1priority....a quick integration.

 

[GuppyWN]

400Adude...Have you read the process agreement? What you have just typed is inaccurate. Sorry it sounds like this agreement is an excellent path to integrate the airlines....in conjunction with Gary Kelly's #1priority....a quick integration.

Gary's priorities and SWAPA's may vary.

Gup

 

[400ADude]

400Adude...Have you read the process agreement? What you have just typed is inaccurate. Sorry it sounds like this agreement is an excellent path to integrate the airlines....in conjunction with Gary Kelly's #1priority....a quick integration.

There is a difference between the process of negoitiating a seniority list and and transition of operations. No raise until ops are combined. Sorry.

 

[dicko]

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Edited because I wasn't sure if I can actually copy this stuff. Everybody involved has access anyway.

 

[funnyman12]

Yeah it kinda says that after an ISL the Airtran CBA pay will be negotiated to reflect the SWAPA CBA. Hense we could be separate but compensated similar to your CBA. I imagine SW management imagines this language will form a solid foundation for a great culture.

 

[S3sundowner]

I think the agreement also mentions negotiating pay rates for the 717; could be a long fence. Let's hope everyone plays fair and this thing reflects what both carriers bring to the merge.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

would you want the pay commensurate with your 500's or would like you like a lower payscale for the 717 putting pressure on WN mgmt to push flying to the cheaper 717 and remove the 500's?

 

[Bill Nelson]

What is the implementation schedule of the ISL if it isn't a negotiated list?

 

[DonVerita]

The feeling at SWA is nobody wants their own seniority list watered down by individuals like yourself who couldn't get hired here (and there are a lot of you) or by an airline with such low pay and benefits.

As usual, you haven't bothered to read our new contract. "Low pay and benefits"? Try looking it up on www.airlinepilotcentral.com before you shoot your mouth off.

On like equipment, AirTran is paid higher than United, Continental, America West, US Airways, and the same (give or take a couple $)as American, Delta and JetBlue.

Where do you get your data from...Fox News? Honestly, do you bother to fact check anything you write?

 

[BlueBlood]

I imagine SW management imagines this language will form a solid foundation for a great culture.

Ask SWA management how they felt about culture when it came to the Muse/Transtar pilots. There is one culture that will be embraced and assimilated to - Southwest's. If you don't like it, it sure is a long career to be unhappy because you are better off.:erm:

It appears that SWAPA or SWA can do nothing to make the AAI guys feel better. I wouldn't play chicken with them though. Just a little patience and cooperation may result in the biggest upswing in pilot career history. Then again, no cooperation and constant badgering and attitude may result in the biggest let down that even they couldn't imagine.

Raises, better futures, more days off, better treatment and the list goes on. Only one reason for it to go differently - the behavior of the AAI guys' MEC that infects the rest of the honest and hard working pilots of AirTran.

 

[400ADude]

As usual, you haven't bothered to read our new contract. "Low pay and benefits"? Try looking it up on www.airlinepilotcentral.com before you shoot your mouth off.

On like equipment, AirTran is paid higher than United, Continental, America West, US Airways, and the same (give or take a couple $)as American, Delta and JetBlue.

Where do you get your data from...Fox News? Honestly, do you bother to fact check anything you write?

You're paid lower than all of them except maybe Us Airways East. You are a B scale in comparison to SWA and you know it.

 

[SWA/FO]

Just a little patience and cooperation may result in the biggest upswing in pilot career history. Then again, no cooperation and constant badgering and attitude may result in the biggest let down that even they couldn't imagine.

Raises, better futures, more days off, better treatment and the list goes on. Only one reason for it to go differently - the behavior of the AAI guys' MEC that infects the rest of the honest and hard working pilots of AirTran.

Yes, couldn't say it any better...

 

[RLAblows]

It appears that SWAPA or SWA can do nothing to make the AAI guys feel better. I wouldn't play chicken with them though. Just a little patience and cooperation may result in the biggest upswing in pilot career history. Then again, no cooperation and constant badgering and attitude may result in the biggest let down that even they couldn't imagine.

Raises, better futures, more days off, better treatment and the list goes on. Only one reason for it to go differently - the behavior of the AAI guys' MEC that infects the rest of the honest and hard working pilots of AirTran.

You guys are just spring loaded to the negativity. Where do you see anybody from AT in this thread so far not sounding like they are on board with the SWA culture? Everyone is badgering the AT guys on this board. What do you mean, "SWAPA or SWA can do nothing to make the AAI guys feel better? Please give an example I'm trying to see where you are coming from.

 

[funnyman12]

Wow....some of you guys take my posts entirely out of context. I look forward to working with you guys and definately match and compliment your culture. I just can't understand why some guys on here respond so angrily at me. BTW im awesome to work with and SW is going to be extremely happy to have me and many of my fellow pilots on the same team.

 

[funnyman12]

At Airtran we piss excellence and bleed awesome! Your welcome!