SWA/Airtran Process Agreement??

[XR650R]

Any word on the Airtran side as to the status of the process agreement? Very quiet on the SW side.

 

[GuppyWN]

Any word on the Airtran side as to the status of the process agreement? Very quiet on the SW side.

That's cause there isn't anything to report until ALPA comes back to the table.

The quicker it gets done the quicker the SLI talks can begin and the quicker the AT guys can get our contract.

Gup

 

[livintheredream]

ALPA this ALPA that. OK you hate ALPA. You never knew NPA. ALPA is WAY better than the NPA. " Come back to the table"? Email went out on Sunday and said deal is done between SWAPA and ALPA. MGT at Both SWA and AAI had a few wording changes. Thats where they are. I personally think its being withheld until DOJ approval. They don't want to look like they are already counting there chickens before they hatch. Sorry to use logic on FI.

 

[Ty Webb]

That's the same info I have . . . both SWAPA and ALPA are in agreement on the Process Agreement document, and it has been sent to both airlines' managements for final review. Apparently, one or both airlines' management wanted something tweaked, so they are still wrapping it up.

 

[Bob Dylan]

ALPA this ALPA that. OK you hate ALPA. You never knew NPA. ALPA is WAY better than the NPA. " Come back to the table"? Email went out on Sunday and said deal is done between SWAPA and ALPA. MGT at Both SWA and AAI had a few wording changes. Thats where they are. I personally think its being withheld until DOJ approval. They don't want to look like they are already counting there chickens before they hatch. Sorry to use logic on FI.

That's the acquisition of AirTran by Southwest. That's a done deal.

The process of integrating employees isn't going so well I hear. Senior AiTran pilots running ALPA are being difficult and unreasonable. I'm sure most of the AT pilots would love to be over at SWA asap, but it looks like that won't happen for a while, if ever thanks to ALPA.

It's amazing what you can see when you step back and take your blinders off.

 

[whoknows]

That's the acquisition of AirTran by Southwest. That's a done deal.

The process of integrating employees isn't going so well I hear. Senior AiTran pilots running ALPA are being difficult and unreasonable.
It's amazing what you can see when you step back and take your blinders off.

You have no F ing idea what you're talking about.

 

[RLAblows]

That's the acquisition of AirTran by Southwest. That's a done deal.

The process of integrating employees isn't going so well I hear. Senior AiTran pilots running ALPA are being difficult and unreasonable. I'm sure most of the AT pilots would love to be over at SWA asap, but it looks like that won't happen for a while, if ever thanks to ALPA.

It's amazing what you can see when you step back and take your blinders off.

Senior pilots running AirTran ALPA. Thats rich, both are FO's.

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

Someone needs a "Blanket Party"

(I can't quote the Moron because he's on my ignore list! )

KBB

 

[Lear70]

The process of integrating employees isn't going so well I hear.

It's amazing what you can see when you step back and take your blinders off.

Or when you actually know what you're talking about?

The process of integrating pilots hasn't started yet, oh baiter of the flame... lol

Don't know why SWAPA hasn't been sending out emails, but our MC put out an email about two weeks ago stating that SWAPA and AAI ALPA had come to an agreement on the PROCESS AGREEMENT (hint, Bob, this isn't the SLI negotiation) but that BOTH management teams wanted some changes. Then we got word that at the LEC meeting in ATL two days ago, JM, Chairman of the MC, briefed the pilots present (not confidential information) that all 4 parties had agreed on the changes, that they were being put into the agreement this week, and that hopefully the agreement would be signed and up on the server for download by us average line swine by the weekend or first or middle of next week.

At least, that's how I understood it. I'm not a LEC 71 member, so I didn't bother to attend the meeting since I can't vote in that LEC. I didn't know there would be a MC briefing or I might have gone anyway.

More information when we have it, but I'm sure SWAPA will update you guys when it's all done. Not sure about "holding it back until DOJ approval", but you never know, stranger things have happened...

 

[livintheredream]

that's the acquisition of airtran by southwest. That's a done deal.

The process of integrating employees isn't going so well i hear. Senior aitran pilots running alpa are being difficult and unreasonable. I'm sure most of the at pilots would love to be over at swa asap, but it looks like that won't happen for a while, if ever thanks to alpa.

It's amazing what you can see when you step back and take your blinders off.

super tool!

 

[SWA/FO]

I heard May 5 = the day tranny is OWNED!

 

[Lear70]

Cinco de Mayo? Cool... we have a betting pool going on DOCC, that's one of the days that was picked. :beer:

 

[Dude]

Don't know why SWAPA hasn't been sending out emails, but our MC put out an email about two weeks ago stating that SWAPA and AAI ALPA had come to an agreement on the PROCESS AGREEMENT

Probably because the last time your guys said "deal" and SWAPA told us about it, it quickly became "no deal". Whatever......waiting on the stupid thing to be signed I would imagine so they don't "cry wolf" again.

 

[bmpilot]

That's the acquisition of AirTran by Southwest. That's a done deal.

The process of integrating employees isn't going so well I hear. Senior AiTran pilots running ALPA are being difficult and unreasonable. I'm sure most of the AT pilots would love to be over at SWA asap, but it looks like that won't happen for a while, if ever thanks to ALPA.

It's amazing what you can see when you step back and take your blinders off.

Chirp chirp. Senior Airtran leaders at ALPA?

 

[easydoesit]

Mr. Dylan

You have just proved, without a doubt, you have no idea what you are talking about. You must be ignored now. Why do you waste your time on such nonsense.

 

[400ADude]

He doesn't know what he is talking about regarding the SLI, since there are no talks yet, but there is some truth to what he thinks might happen.

Airtran's MEC will be offered a fair deal in the eyes of the company and the union and if they don't take it, what Bob says is going to be a reality (SL-7 etc) . It will happen if you all choose this path.

 

[waveflyer]

Mr. Dylan

You have just proved, without a doubt, you have no idea what you are talking about. You must be ignored now. Why do you waste your time on such nonsense.

Just now figured that out?- there are more than a few trolls here- why anyone feeds them is beyond me

 

[XR650R]

Just announced.

 

[dedazo]

That's the acquisition of AirTran by Southwest. That's a done deal.

The process of integrating employees isn't going so well I hear. Senior AiTran pilots running ALPA are being difficult and unreasonable. I'm sure most of the AT pilots would love to be over at SWA asap, but it looks like that won't happen for a while, if ever thanks to ALPA.

It's amazing what you can see when you step back and take your blinders off.

wrong again Bobby .....just announced

 

[Lear70]

Airtran's MEC will be offered a fair deal in the eyes of the company and the union and if they don't take it, what Bob says is going to be a reality (SL-7 etc) . It will happen if you all choose this path.

Wrong again. Sec 6.A - no way to keep us separate. The lists will be merged into one pilot group under one CBA with one collective bargaining agent with a timeline that basically has it all said and done by this time next year.

You and Bob will have to come up with a new conspiracy theory.

 

[400ADude]

Wrong again. Sec 6.A - no way to keep us separate. The lists will be merged into one pilot group under one CBA with one collective bargaining agent with a timeline that basically has it all said and done by this time next year.

You and Bob will have to come up with a new conspiracy theory.

There is a difference between getting a list and merging operations. You're not in the drivers seat of anything.

Your Section 6A. is about as useless as the no forlough clause in the SWA side letter. Totally utterly useless. Sounds like somebody in your union is spending too much time in the buffett line.

 

[Lear70]

There is a difference between getting a list and merging operations. You're not in the drivers seat of anything.

Your Section 6A. is about as useless as the no forlough clause in the SWA side letter. Totally utterly useless. Sounds like somebody in your union is spending too much time in the buffett line.

We shall see. No one, however, said we were in the driver's seat. We simply said we now have a signed document by all 4 parties saying the seniority lists WILL be merged with one CBA and one Collective Bargaining Agent.

Good luck keeping separate operations with a merged seniority list that lets pilots bid wherever they want under Southwest's CBA. Just not feasible.

But if it makes you feel better to keep up the doom and gloom, go right ahead, just not any of us listening to you and Baghdad Bob.

You have a nice day now, mkay?

 

[KarmaPolice]

DALLAS, April 14, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- Earlier today, the respective Unions representing Southwest Airlines (NYSE:LUV - News) and AirTran Airways Pilots, as well as both Companies signed a Four-Party Process Agreement that provides for the two pilot groups to begin their seniority integration discussions prior to legal closing of the AirTran acquisition. It also outlines provisions of an implementation schedule in the event an agreement is reached on an integrated seniority list (ISL). Southwest anticipates closing on its acquisition of AirTran Airways in second quarter of 2011.

"This is yet another important step in the overall process of bringing these two great carriers together," said Mike Van de Ven, Southwest Airlines Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer. "I applaud both sides for signing this important agreement that lays the groundwork for bringing together these two hard working Pilot groups."

The Southwest Airlines Pilots' Association (SWAPA) and the Air Line Pilots' Association (ALPA) can now begin the work of integrating seniority lists in accordance with the McCaskill-Bond Act. This new Four-Party Process Agreement also creates a timeline for SWAPA and ALPA to reach an ISL agreement. If an agreement is not reached during this timeframe, the matter will be sent to arbitration and a new implementation process will have to be negotiated.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Southwest-Airlines-Pilots-prnews-2941733372.html?x=0&.v=1

 

[400ADude]

We shall see. No one, however, said we were in the driver's seat. We simply said we now have a signed document by all 4 parties saying the seniority lists WILL be merged with one CBA and one Collective Bargaining Agent.

Good luck keeping separate operations with a merged seniority list that lets pilots bid wherever they want under Southwest's CBA. Just not feasible.

But if it makes you feel better to keep up the doom and gloom, go right ahead, just not any of us listening to you and Baghdad Bob.

You have a nice day now, mkay?

No doom and gloom just reality.

There will be a CBA with one seniority list when they combine operations. When those operations combine, if ever, will the seniority list take effect.

We all know you want the pay raise, I don't blame you. Just don't screw it up because it is possible to do that. Oh yeah, you won't get your big raise until the operations are fully merged not just some silly SLI.

The feeling at SWA is nobody wants their own seniority list watered down by individuals like yourself who couldn't get hired here (and there are a lot of you) or by an airline with such low pay and benefits. You'd feel the same way too, seriously you would and you know it. When and if you do come over here, it will be viewed as this, no matter what they do with renumbering the seniority list.

 

[SWA/FO]

There will be a CBA with one seniority list when they combine operations. When those operations combine, if ever, will the seniority list take effect.

this is a true statement. IF or WHEN is the question.

 

[funnyman12]

400Adude...Have you read the process agreement? What you have just typed is inaccurate. Sorry it sounds like this agreement is an excellent path to integrate the airlines....in conjunction with Gary Kelly's #1priority....a quick integration.

 

[GuppyWN]

400Adude...Have you read the process agreement? What you have just typed is inaccurate. Sorry it sounds like this agreement is an excellent path to integrate the airlines....in conjunction with Gary Kelly's #1priority....a quick integration.

Gary's priorities and SWAPA's may vary.

Gup

 

[400ADude]

400Adude...Have you read the process agreement? What you have just typed is inaccurate. Sorry it sounds like this agreement is an excellent path to integrate the airlines....in conjunction with Gary Kelly's #1priority....a quick integration.

There is a difference between the process of negoitiating a seniority list and and transition of operations. No raise until ops are combined. Sorry.

 

[dicko]

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Edited because I wasn't sure if I can actually copy this stuff. Everybody involved has access anyway.

 

[funnyman12]

Yeah it kinda says that after an ISL the Airtran CBA pay will be negotiated to reflect the SWAPA CBA. Hense we could be separate but compensated similar to your CBA. I imagine SW management imagines this language will form a solid foundation for a great culture.