SWA - AAI question

[ivauir]

Lear,

That sounds good in theory. But are you sure that is what is going on?

Maybe I misheard, but chatting with my rep in the lounge the word was that the MEC has been at every meeting with the SWAPA NC. I'll see if I can find a reference in any of the weekly updates that we get.

 

[dicko]

Lear,

That sounds good in theory. But are you sure that is what is going on?

Maybe I misheard, but chatting with my rep in the lounge the word was that the MEC has been at every meeting with the SWAPA NC. I'll see if I can find a reference in any of the weekly updates that we get.

It's actually SWAPA's fault. The free food has attracted T.O. and the proximity to any area that contains management attracted L.H. The 'roundups' established that easy access to both resources would be in DAL. Kidding ..... kinda

When the actual SLI talks begin we will only see the AirTran MC and SWAPA MC participating. Hopefully.


Edit. I saw you asked Lear. Oops. Sorry.

 

[Lear70]

It's actually SWAPA's fault. The free food has attracted T.O. and the proximity to any area that contains management attracted L.H. The 'roundups' established that easy access to both resources would be in DAL. Kidding ..... kinda

That's pretty funny right thar... LOLOL

Bill, the idea of T.O. and L.H. being in the room EVERY time the MC's have met... I don't know, that's not my understanding of what they're supposed to be doing, but I guess I need to ask if that's the case so I understand what's up with that.

We'd like to have one of our Contract Negotiating Committee members (one of the ones who negotiated our CBA) present during the Integration talks between SWAPA and SWA management just for input on restrictions in our CBA. As GK said during the Battle Plan, both contracts remain in force and it would be smart to have a contract expert of ours on hand to make sure nothing gets agreed to that would violate it. Other than that, no, I don't see any reason for us to be involved in your Integration discussions.

Ivauir, yeah, if you have reference for that, would like to know. If so, need to call one of the MC guys and ask why.

 

[Dude]

You guys are terrible. A guy is overweight and you make fun of him on a public forum? If I were him I'd tell you to @#ck off and wouldn't spend another day of my life working for those that make fun of my weight.

 

[MILPILOT17]

You guys are terrible. A guy is overweight and you make fun of him on a public forum? If I were him I'd tell you to @#ck off and wouldn't spend another day of my life working for those that make fun of my weight.

Would it matter if they made fun of him because he was under weight or is it just the fact that they are making fun of someone?

 

[Bake]

This board is bad enough. Please don't start arguing over a man's weight. Of course, if you are female, I understand and retract that statement.

 

[Bwipilot]

Amazing--fat guys are more sensitive than pilots

 

[Lear70]

I was referring more towards the LH comment, but hey, it's FI... everything gets misunderstood, SNAFU.

As far as T.O., he and I have been friends for almost a decade, worked together at our previous carrier, and I wrote one of his recommendation letters back in the day to AirTran, so I'm pretty sure he knows I wasn't referring to him, but if he did take it the wrong way, he'd probably pick up the phone and let me know about it, he's not shy...

 

[dicko]

You guys are terrible. A guy is overweight and you make fun of him on a public forum? If I were him I'd tell you to @#ck off and wouldn't spend another day of my life working for those that make fun of my weight.

You're kidding right ? He's the highest paid F.O by hours on his payrate. Union members pay his salary. We feed him with $100.00 per person steak dinners. That's where the comment originates.

You'd have to drag him kicking and screaming from his office. Literally.

He is wed to ALPA. He's an adult and he can look after himself.

 

[PCL_128]

Is that the reason for LH and TO being in all of the M/C negotiations?

You really should check your facts a bit before spreading around misinformation. The above just isn't true.

Regarding the transition team being there, the reason for that is that ALPA doesn't combine the Negotiating Committee and Merger Committee like SWAPA does. So, there has to be negotiators present for the transition items that don't deal directly with the SLI process. Just as ALPA isn't complaining that your negotiators are involved in the SLI, you shouldn't be complaining that ours are. Our structure is just a bit different than yours. When it comes down to the SLI talks themselves, only the Merger Committee members will be there. No one else.

 

[Bill Nelson]

So, there has to be negotiators present for the transition items that don't deal directly with the SLI process.

Swapa tells us that ALPA has no place in Swapa Transition talks and your Transition Talks will be with AirTran. So why are your Transition Team members at the process agreement negotiations? The Process Agreement deals with SLI issues exclusively. Who is holding up the process agreement again?

 

[PCL_128]

You've received bad information on several items. I'll let you sort that out with your reps.

 

[Bill Nelson]

If you are attempting to say that ALPA will be involved with our transition talks I'd say you are the one who is misinformed. Your transition issues will be dealt with by AirTran management and those issues are not related to the SLI negotiations. So I'll ask again, why are you holding up the SLI talks?

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

T.O.,

Is Bill incorrect in saying that: 1. ALPA has no place in SWAPA transition talks, 2. Your transition team members were at the Process Agreement negotiations, or 3. The Process Agreement deals with SLI issues exclusively?

Thanks

 

[texman]

The transition agreement is between the two parties meaning SWA and SWAPA. THIS IS CALLED A ACQUISITION, NOT TWO BANKRUPT/ALPA CARRIERS. HELLO!

 

[dicko]

T.O.,

Is Bill incorrect in saying that: 1. ALPA has no place in SWAPA transition talks, 2. Your transition team members were at the Process Agreement negotiations, or 3. The Process Agreement deals with SLI issues exclusively?

Thanks

I think this is how it works:

AirTran ALPA- Merger Committee (MC) deals with SLI. Transition Team (TT) deals with Process agreement.

SWAPA - Merger Committee deals with both of the above.


Since SWAPA's structure uses their MC to deal with both agreements, ALPA decided to use both its MC and TT to work on the Process agreement. When the SLI talks begin only the ATN ALPA MC will be involved.

L.H. elected himself to be a part of the AirTran Transition team. I'm assuming that's why he's there.

If I just stated the obvious then I apologize. If I screwed it up then I'm sure PCL will correct it.

 

[PCL_128]

Mostly correct. The Transition Team wouldn't normally be involved in process agreement talks, but since this isn't an ALPA/ALPA merger, there are some extra items in the Process Agreement that need the involvement of the negotiators. LH didn't "elect himself" to be on the Transition Team, he's just automatically a member of all committees as the MEC Chairman. The only exception is for SLI, when only the MC will be present for negotiations.

 

[Crash Pad]

So tell me again. What does ALPA have to with these talks? You can use all these acronyms, but why dont they focus on things like scope with, I don't know, say...UAL/CAL? Let's move forward, what about DAL and

it's funny that you ALPA cats wouldnt give a cr@p about this if it was a an Alaska/Bedford transaction. Or an Orenthal/Hawaii scenario, wait, that did happen, and remind me how that turned out?




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[flynvixen]

I only have two words for the citrus guys......Holding Company...or maybe staple staple ???

 

[ivauir]

Mostly correct. The Transition Team wouldn't normally be involved in process agreement talks, but since this isn't an ALPA/ALPA merger, there are some extra items in the Process Agreement that need the involvement of the negotiators.

You mean transitional items that you want to drag into the process agreement. Don't you? I've been ALPA before, I can read between the lines.

LH didn't "elect himself" to be on the Transition Team, he's just automatically a member of all committees as the MEC Chairman. The only exception is for SLI, when only the MC will be present for negotiations.

PCL

That doesn't make any sense. The process agreement is part of the SLI:

Process Agreement:
The procedure for SWAPA and ALPA to negotiate an integrated seniority list. This agreement is specific to our seniority integration talks

I bet Steve Chase isn't there.

 

[Lear70]

I only have two words for the citrus guys......Holding Company...or maybe staple staple ???

Two words: flame bait. And the Citrus guys ain't buyin'.

Nice try though, great 1st post with newly-created screen name.

 

[PapaWoody]

I only have two words for the citrus guys......Holding Company...or maybe staple staple ???

I agree with Lear, this serves no purpose. I'm all for holding to our position, but just trying to rile up the other side to no logical purpose doesn't help any of us out. Just my two cents.

Fraternally,
PW

 

[flynvixen]

Blah Blah Blah.......

I know lets take a staple to the bottom of the Air Tran list because we all want so much for them to be happy when they get here right ??

I am sure that they still would still find something to complain about even if we did that for them.

ALPA's only mission in this deal is to burn the Southwest house down, I only hope it takes 20 years for them to succeed. They are going to drag their feet until we all get the same deal that the America West guys got !!

 

[Ty Webb]

Blah Blah Blah.......

I know lets take a staple to the bottom of the Air Tran list because we all want so much for them to be happy when they get here right ??

I am sure that they still would still find something to complain about even if we did that for them.

ALPA's only mission in this deal is to burn the Southwest house down, I only hope it takes 20 years for them to succeed. They are going to drag their feet until we all get the same deal that the America West guys got !!

"Blah, Blah, Blah" was right. You should have stopped right there. That was the most intelligent thing you have written. :laugh:

 

[johnsonrod]

I only have two words for the citrus guys......Holding Company...or maybe staple staple ???

Just won't happen. The three words you will be saying will be "pooped my pants."

 

[redflyer65]

Johnsonrod,

When did you NOT get hired? Your legendary anti-Southwest spin has to have something behind it...

You weren't the guy who got fired in training were you?

 

[PCL_128]

You mean transitional items that you want to drag into the process agreement. Don't you?

I don't think there is anything in the proposed process agreement that doesn't belong there. You are welcome to disagree, but that doesn't make you right. There are two sides to this negotiation. SWAPA will represent your interests, and ALPA will represent ours. No reason to get upset about it.

I bet Steve Chase isn't there.

You have your structure, we have ours. Why are you worried about ours?

 

[Bill Nelson]

Why are you worried about ours?

The same reason your members are worried. ALPA sucks and if ALPA is allowed to run free it will screw this deal up for both sides and nobody seems to trust you.

 

[redflyer65]

Excellent post Bill. Watch and be amazed.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

The same reason your members are worried. ALPA sucks and if ALPA is allowed to run free it will screw this deal up for both sides and nobody seems to trust you.

I'm not worried at all, i'd much rather have ALPA representing me than NPA.