SWA - AAI question

[redflyer65]

They're in a completely different scenario and have some strange issues about their own management (Republic) trying to keep the Airbus guys in their seats for a while. Who can blame them, the training costs could get EXTREMELY expensive very quickly (which could also happen here if there aren't fences in place to keep a bunch of seat shuffling from happening right off the bat).

I don't see EITHER union MC as "holding the process up". I see two sides negotiating for the interests of THEIR OWN pilots, as it should be, and unable to reach an agreement, so they table the issue and try to work on other things and come back to it at a later date.

Depending on your point of view, you could argue that EITHER side is causing the delay. It's all relative... excuse the pun. Not that a small delay matters, at the end of the day, DOCC isn't for another 3 months or so. Plenty of time to hammer it out.

The question that concerns me, as I mentioned earlier, is WHY that item is not something SWAPA wants to agree to. I fully back our MC's decision NOT to sign a Process Agreement without that protection in place and if that delays its signing, so be it. Until we're all on the same team, we each have to look out for our own best interests. It's not personal, just business.

Lear,

My point is that arbitors are professionals at dragging their feet. Time and time again. I don't know one case that was quick.

I believe that most of the time they know exactly how they will rule within a month, but never rule on an issue for 6-12 months or longer..

 

[Lonestar]

You AT guys can't get your company to follow half the changes in your new contract. As I understand it, you couldn't get your company to follow half the stuff in your old contract. One of my friends that left AT said y'all had over 90 grievances deadlocked and awaiting arbitration. Why, now, is this issue of transition language the one thing that MUST be followed...or else. The fact is the RLA makes it difficult (unfortunately) to get enforcement of your contract. Good luck going to a judge for injunction, as PCL stated, and convincing him to slap the hand that's about to feed you more than you ever thought you would get!

 

[texman]

I hope ALPA plays nice with GK and company.

 

[GuppyWN]

I guess the question I have is Why is ALPA end-running SWAPA and trying to negotiate directly with SWA? Gup

 

[malibuVride]

From last week's Merger Report:
"The committees tentatively plan to meet in Dallas again next week, with the intention of completing work on Process Agreement language, and to exchange more detailed proposals on protections to be incorporated into Transition Agreements, which can then be signed along with a Process Agreement."

This really worries me when the MEC Vice Chair gets on here to say its not ALPA holding up this process! The quote above clearly shows that ALPA is refusing to sign the Process Agreement until a Transition Agreement can also be signed. Too many guys in this group are counting on becoming SWA pilots to be risking it all for such rediculous expectations!


"Important issues remain to be completed, including assuring the completion of an operational merger within a specified period of time and protections for existing and growth flying and aircraft."

I believe we will ALL grow once the integration of the two airlines is complete. I, along with many in this group, worry that fighting for such protections NOW is way too aggressive and may really piss Gary Kelly off. This is serious stuff and I really don't want Linden and his clowns hosing this group!

 

[texman]

I guess the question I have is Why is ALPA end-running SWAPA and trying to negotiate directly with SWA? Gup

That is a very good question Gup. What I don't understand is why does AT trying to be part of the transition agreement?

 

[GuppyWN]

I see ALPA's resistance as a "demand" for a drop dead date for our contract and our payscale if this turns into a USAir/AWA.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Lots of arrogance around here from a group that used to be pretty humble. Starting to act like the AA sky nazis, United pilots, and last but not least my new double breasted brothers of the 80s and 90s. I think the short time that y'all have been at top has quickly gone to your heads. Or, there are a bunch of scared fo's that were just begining to realize the days of 5 year upgrades were long gone and their only hope is to take the airtran capt. jobs. I think a lot of you need to go back and look at your history and others. Your pilot group has historically(minus the last 5 years) been a bottom feeder as far as pay and workrules.

 

[texman]

From last week's Merger Report:
"The committees tentatively plan to meet in Dallas again next week, with the intention of completing work on Process Agreement language, and to exchange more detailed proposals on protections to be incorporated into Transition Agreements, which can then be signed along with a Process Agreement."

This really worries me when the MEC Vice Chair gets on here to say its not ALPA holding up this process! The quote above clearly shows that ALPA is refusing to sign the Process Agreement until a Transition Agreement can also be signed. Too many guys in this group are counting on becoming SWA pilots to be risking it all for such rediculous expectations!


"Important issues remain to be completed, including assuring the completion of an operational merger within a specified period of time and protections for existing and growth flying and aircraft."

I believe we will ALL grow once the integration of the two airlines is complete. I, along with many in this group, worry that fighting for such protections NOW is way too aggressive and may really piss Gary Kelly off. This is serious stuff and I really don't want Linden and his clowns hosing this group!

What ALPA needs to understand is GK is not a idiot. This company was founded by lawyers. Does ALPA think GK/SWAPA is going to kill his own. I don't think so. I think ALPA is caught up in this being a merger not a acquisition. There are things SWA has to respect in our contract not AT's. AT is being bought not SWA. I hope it works out for all of us.

 

[texman]

Lots of arrogance around here from a group that used to be pretty humble. Starting to act like the AA sky nazis, United pilots, and last but not least my new double breasted brothers of the 80s and 90s. I think the short time that y'all have been at top has quickly gone to your heads. Or, there are a bunch of scared fo's that were just begining to realize the days of 5 year upgrades were long gone and their only hope is to take the airtran capt. jobs. I think a lot of you need to go back and look at your history and others. Your pilot group has historically(minus the last 5 years) been a bottom feeder as far as pay and workrules.

Not arrogance just pride and protecting our own. Once it is all said and done AT brothers will be part of are family, and I am sure with there energy and pride we will be rocking. Just a team thing, sorry.