SWA/AAI and the flight deck jumpseat

[SWA/FO]

Yes, your pet tranny lies.

now thats funny.

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

There's no one talking about me, or anyone else on our forums. In fact, there isn't really any discussion at all about SLI, and certainly no personal attacks about any pilots, SWA or AAI.



Kind of says which pilot group is taking the high road, doesn't it?

You know, you guys talk a good "culture" and "high standards", but when I look at the personal attacks, the whining, the threats, and the cowardly behavior of some of the SWA guys on this forum, it really paints a different picture.

It's easy to take the high road when you are guaranteed a win.
What you are witnessing is a bunch of really good guys who run a very real risk of having their careers harmed by this deal with very little chance that their careers will be enhanced by it. For the AAI guys the gains are certain due to the SWAPA contract. For the SWA guys its sorta like taking a PC. The best case scenario for us is no losses. Not that it makes it OK but being in a no win position is frustrating. Frustrated people are known to say less than tactful things.

 

[dicko]

Are you saying my tranny lies?

He did say you had a nice little holiday together .....

 

[Flycatcher99]

It's easy to take the high road when you are guaranteed a win.
What you are witnessing is a bunch of really good guys who run a very real risk of having their careers harmed by this deal with very little chance that their careers will be enhanced by it. For the AAI guys the gains are certain due to the SWAPA contract. For the SWA guys its sorta like taking a PC. The best case scenario for us is no losses. Not that it makes it OK but being in a no win position is frustrating. Frustrated people are known to say less than tactful things.

Good post. Well put.

And FYI, we do have a great culture at SWA, which we do look forward to welcoming AAI fellows to. But if our career progressions take more delay, as they well could from this deal, then don't be surprised if we're not all singing and dancing when you get here. Oh, and it says nothing negative about our culture for us to have some private laughs at a couple of your company clowns.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Good post. Well put.

Oh, and it says nothing negative about our culture for us to have some private laughs at a couple of your company clowns.

Great, then the feeling is mutual .

 

[Crash Pad]

I just wanted to thank all the SWA guys who chimed in with there expectations. Since we can't talk about SLI I had zero idea what your side of the fence wanted. I can now adjust my expectations accordingly.

 

[SWA/FO]

He did say you had a nice little holiday together .....

Who said it was a "He" don't you have some "She" trannies over there? Anyway, my tranny is with me always. I thought my tranny was truthful.... going to have to checkout that message board myself, since my tranny lies.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

I just wanted to thank all the SWA guys who chimed in with there expectations. Since we can't talk about SLI I had zero idea what your side of the fence wanted. I can now adjust my expectations accordingly.

What started out as an acorn is growing into an oak tree thanks to all the LUV and attention from a lot of the WN posters here who continue to fertilize it with bull sqeeze.

Or, from their point of view, a thistle seed is turning into an over-grown thorny briar patch thanks to Genital and OY6 watering it with their recycled beer.

Either way, we reap what we sow and eventually we're all going to have to live with it.

 

[FIREMAN]

Who said it was a "He" don't you have some "She" trannies over there? Anyway, my tranny is with me always. I thought my tranny was truthful.... going to have to checkout that message board myself, since my tranny lies.

Yes your pet lies. No talk about anyone, execpt union officers.

 

[SWA/FO]

I'll be looking for a new tranny... Now!

 

[redflyer65]

I'll be looking for a new tranny... Now!

Package check....aisle two!

 

[ivauir]

Source? How about something from an Annual report, a Shareholders' conference, an interview with an industry analyst . . . ONE single thing to back that up, other than purely wishful thinking?

So where did the money come from?

Captain with hole in pocket feel cocky all day. Angry FO with broken stapler not get any nooky. :laugh:

You complain about how others address you, but you post this childish missive?

 

[ivauir]

Wrong. AirTran is currently severely understaffed. Once SWA marketing changes the schedule and the aircraft routings, airplanes will fly more than they currently do, requiring even more pilots.

Pretty bold statement from someone who doesn't understand our manning model.

 

[PCL_128]

Pretty bold statement from someone who doesn't understand our manning model.

I understand it just fine. In the end, the most your scheduling practices and staffing model will do is balance out the current understaffed condition after the aircraft utilization increases. In all likelihood, though, more pilots will actually be required. Do you really think our Scheduling people haven't already looked at this a long time ago, using your staffing model? Come on, now.

 

[Dash Power]

I understand it just fine. In the end, the most your scheduling practices and staffing model will do is balance out the current understaffed condition after the aircraft utilization increases. In all likelihood, though, more pilots will actually be required. Do you really think our Scheduling people haven't already looked at this a long time ago, using your staffing model? Come on, now.

Why on earth would they? They are trying to run your airline. Not ours. As of now, Airtran is its own airline with its own model different from SWA. Airtran is operated more like a hub and spoke where SWA is a point to point. Therefore Airtrans manning model will closely reflect more than a legacy than SWA. That is why per aircraft there is a 13% increase need for pilots than SWA. When or if SWA merges and integrates Airtran into its operations, the old Airtran system map will reflect a point to point model and there would be a surplus of pilots at the end game with the assumption of no growth.

But supposedly there may be growth potential with this purchase therefore the surplus will be short lived.

I suppose since you understand our manning model then I will not waste my time spelling out why a point to point requires less pilots than a hub and spoke. It is not because of the contract.

 

[FlyinHigh737]

Poor trannies negotiating with a gun pointed at their head, and they don't even know it.

 

[Kharma Police]

Poor trannies negotiating with a gun pointed at their head, and they don't even know it.

Better hope the gun doesn't misfire and blow up in your face.

 

[BlueBlood]

This is getting old. Both sides will fight as hard as they can, just like a boxer. When all said and done, the one with the best trainer and effective training will win. After that, go fly and be merry that the fight is over.

Of course it could be weighted toward one side with a crappy trainer, no training and in that case just kick each other in the ball sack until you retire.

 

[PCL_128]

Why on earth would they? They are trying to run your airline. Not ours.

I was talking about our Scheduling Committee guys, not the company.

 

[waveflyer]

PCL-
Why are you fanning the flames?
Why are you intensely trying to raise the SLI expectations of AT pilots?
Why are you trying to discount all the benefits of this deal to AT pilots?

I have my theory.
All AT guys need to watch this guy and make sure ALPA (and your senior for that matter) is operating in your best interest.

I was "senior" at my first commuter. THAT didn't pay my mortgage. Or for my Harley. Or my education fund. Or my vacation to Tahiti last march. Or for the day I spent at the pool instead of at the doctor's bc my stress is so low and schedule so healthy and productive here that I get 4-5 more days off than I ever have. Or...... Or......

Seniority is all swa pilots can tangibly gain out of this. And the vast majority will not accept anything but a significant gain in relative seniority for all swa pilots- argue that all you want - but as a relatively junior FO here who has never made more money or had a better life as that junior FO- it is not worth risking this deal over seniority for AT pilots- it isn't worth DELAYING this dea over seniority.

The disparity in lifestyle between junior and senior is big at most airlines- here it is flatter. Seniority allows you to bid lines of pairings and vacation. There is not much difference in pairings- these pairings are great at the junior end. And ELLITT/TTGA gives you so much flexibility in your month -

You'll get vacation and if you can't hold a certain week initially, chances are you'll be able to trade into the week you need at some point as pilots transfer
around domiciles-

At some point you have to ask what you're fighting for?