Survey: Now that we all have our W-2s....

[SkyGirl]

Hey Kernal,

... Its over, welcome to the civilian world of flying... Where, believe it or not, civilians have worked just as hard to get here as you military folks have (with about 50% less pay and benefits along the way).

And you were protecting our nation while you were doing it, right? My hat's off to you with your ever present threat of hostile fire over Des Moines, Iowa and the risk of imprisonment and interrogation under harsh conditions should you be apprehended during an overnight in Jackson, Mississippi.

You did what you had to do, but it was all about you. Don't compare yourself with our nation's finest who bravely serve our country. They are the one's who made what you did feasible.

Thanks to all of you women and men in uniform going in harm's way to protect our country and make our way of life possible. Good luck in your follow-on professions.

-SkyGirl-

 

[English]

The politically correct message for today has been brought to you by SkyGirl, sponsored by flightinfo.com.

 

[NJAFracPilot]

Whoa! Too many sour grapes here - I'm going back to the Fractionals board where all we do is friendly infighting and back stabbing.

 

[:-)]

Hey Kernal,

Yeah, I personally, can see how flying a single engine fighter prepares one for a civilian flying career. No extra sim sessions beacuse of your awesome CRM and radio skills, right.
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I'm not against military trained pilots. But, you make a good point. It seems that single seat fighter guys are assumed to be the best pilots.

I have a question for those who think that the fighter guy is an equal newhire to a current Part121 pilot. If your spouse and kids were riding in the back of a Super80 and both pilots became incapacitated, and there were two pilots riding in the back would you rather have the Eagle RJ Captain (who likely has thousands of hours in the left seat of a TWA 80) take command, or the Naval Academy grad with five years experience in the Super Hornet?

Calvin

 

[:-)]

And you were protecting our nation while you were doing it, right? My hat's off to you with your ever present threat of hostile fire over Des Moines, Iowa and the risk of imprisonment and interrogation under harsh conditions should you be apprehended during an overnight in Jackson, Mississippi.

You did what you had to do, but it was all about you. Don't compare yourself with our nation's finest who bravely serve our country. They are the one's who made what you did feasible.

Thanks to all of you women and men in uniform going in harm's way to protect our country and make our way of life possible. Good luck in your follow-on professions.

-SkyGirl-

When the skies over Des Moines become threatened with hostile fire, and the military has openings for fighter pilots, I would hope that the military chooses a person who has prior experience flying fighters.

To me, that seems reasonable. Just as it sees reasonable that an airline would want to hire pilots with prior experience in the airline environment.

That statement means no disprespect to the men and women who protect our country. This discussion isn't about the respect due, nor about the value of, the pilots who protect us. It's about an entitement attitude that some of our ex-mil guys exhibit in regards to a post military pilot job.

Calvin

 

[Spooky 1]

Wow! Some of the comments here, especially from the likes of SWAFO are amazing. I suggest this person should look at the comments from both GVFlyer and G4G5 as I think they simply make the most sense in this somewhat bizzare review of career paths. I doubt that SAWFO's comments are typical of any SWA pilots so what gives with this person? Are they really SWA material and if so, how did they ever get by the review process over there?

 

[CaptBud330]

Duane Woerthless W2

I believe Duane Woerthless our beloved ALPO president mad $450,000 +$10,000 expenses, + Lincoln,+ insurance package. 0(Zero) block hours. Not bad for never turning a wheel.

 

[SeaSpray]

The politically correct message for today has been brought to you by SkyGirl, sponsored by flightinfo.com.

The voice of yet another person who couldn't qualify for military flight school and just couldn't get past it. Sorry, honey, if you're under the waiver age of 27 and a half, you can try again.

 

[English]

That is hilarious! Sounds like my old buddy Les Paul.

Thanks for the laugh.

 

[English]

When the skies over Des Moines become threatened with hostile fire, and the military has openings for fighter pilots, I would hope that the military chooses a person who has prior experience flying fighters.

To me, that seems reasonable. Just as it sees reasonable that an airline would want to hire pilots with prior experience in the airline environment.

That statement means no disprespect to the men and women who protect our country. This discussion isn't about the respect due, nor about the value of, the pilots who protect us. It's about an entitement attitude that some of our ex-mil guys exhibit in regards to a post military pilot job.

Calvin

great post Calvin.

 

[ivauir]

Perhaps the reason so many flight departments favor fighter time (disclaimer: the VAST majority of my military time is props and rotors) is because the past performance of this group has been outstanding. Don't get me wrong, I have found many "center line thrust theorists" to be more than a little over the top and I think it is often not the hardware that defines the greatness of the pilot. However, most fighter pilots have earned that position by a combination of hands, work ethic and ability to master new skills. If an airline has found them to be an excellent return on their training dollars no wonder they favor that group.

In the end what you think and feel about it will affect nothing other than your own attitude. Life is not fair and there are many things to feel bitter about: the more bitter you allow yourself to become the more things will go against you, giving you even more excuses to feel bitter.

 

[Muddauber]

Just to add some balance to this discussion: most military pilots don't go to fighters, they go to crew operated transports and bombers which they fly internationally. A partion list of these aircraft follows:

B-1, B-2, B-52.

C-2, C-5 Galaxy, C-9 (DC-9), C-12 (Super KingAir), C-17 Globemaster III, C-20 (Gulfstream G-III / G-IV), C-21 (Learjet 35), C-22 (Boeing 727), C-26, C-27, C-35 (Citation V), C-32 (Boeing 757-200), C-37 (Gulfstream GV/G550), C-38 (Gulfstream G-100), C-40 (Boeing 737-700), C-130 Hercules, C-135 (Boeing 707)

KC 10 (DC 10), KC 135 (Boeing 707).

E-2, E-3 (Boeing 707), E-4 (Boeing 747), E-6A/B (Boeing 707), E-8 (Boeing 707), EC-18 (Boeing 707), ES3A Shadow.

T-43 (Boeing 737)

VC-25 (Boeing 747-400)

Muddy




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[SWA/FO]

My point is/was that we are all airline pilots operating in the civilian world now, regardless of our backgrounds. Since you homos, couldn't figure this out...I figured I should point it out in this post. You guys sure are sensitive.

Oh, by the way... I never claimed to be a spokesperson for Southwest Airlines. In-fact, I'm not allowed to be one without the consent of the VP of Flight Ops.

 

[FDJ2]

If your spouse and kids were riding in the back of a Super80 and both pilots became incapacitated, and there were two pilots riding in the back would you rather have the Eagle RJ Captain (who likely has thousands of hours in the left seat of a TWA 80) take command, or the Naval Academy grad with five years experience in the Super Hornet?

Calvin

Hands down, the Naval Academy, Naval Aviator.

 

[TAZ MAN]

Hands down, the Naval Academy, Naval Aviator.

May they all rest in peace...

 

[ACAFool]

Nobody cares what your rank was back in the boyscouts, here in the civilian world the guys at the regionals are getting experience doing the exact same job the guys at the majors do, just for less money. Makes training them easy.

 

[HowlinMadMurdoc]

The voice of yet another person who couldn't qualify for military flight school and just couldn't get past it. Sorry, honey, if you're under the waiver age of 27 and a half, you can try again.

Sorry to you too because not everyone in the world of aviation aspires to be a military pilot. All pilots, whatever their background and training, should respect their fellow aviators.



HMM

 

[Dr Feelgood]

$42,500 2nd/3rd year 1900 CA colgan air. Thread doesn't bother me. This is good for people to see what they are getting into. Something to be excited or depressed about.

 

[SWA/FO]

Something to be excited or depressed about.

Are you talking about this thread or Motley Crue?

 

[Nalo Boy]

Cry on my shoulder?

That was quite a peeeing match! Does anyone actually think that one group flies airplanes better than the other? Especially those who already fly for the airlines, do you guys have these conversations with your Mil or Civ co-workers or do you just bottle it up inside, wait till you get home and cry in your beer as you write it on this post?

Enough nonsense....now how much do you make?

 

[Freight Dog]

That was quite a peeeing match! Does anyone actually think that one group flies airplanes better than the other? Especially those who already fly for the airlines, do you guys have these conversations with your Mil or Civ co-workers or do you just bottle it up inside, wait till you get home and cry in your beer as you write it on this post?

Enough nonsense....now how much do you make?

You're gettin' there, man! You're gettin' there.....

 

[The Natural]

This is one of the BEST threads yet!!!

I think as pilots we love options...this is a great visual.




PC-12 Captain/ Operator 1.5 years/ On call 24hrs/ No real vacation days except 100 hr inspections and annuals. Part 91

Averaging 500 hrs/year Overnights: approx. 30 per year

50K salary, meals, car gas

Owners are great, frequent destinations Canada, Vegas, Florida, Bahamas and BOS <-- sux. Many random boring cities in the midwest, ie Super Target, Walmart, Applebee's blah, blah, blah.

• Weight gained: 15 pounds
• # of grey hairs found since employment : 5

Having a great time can't do this job when I'm 50, also flying light twin turbine's on the side.


Dream job: Flying somewhere warm, with not as many duty days. Right now this plane OWNS me.

Fly safe...

 

[ABX9av8or]

ABX Air DC-9 FO / 7th year / $172,000 / I flew 550 hours

 

[What Next]

Hey Kernal,

Yeah, I personally, can see how flying a single engine fighter prepares one for a civilian flying career. No extra sim sessions beacuse of your awesome CRM and radio skills, right.

You are correct there SWA/FO...Flying a single engine fighter does not prepare one for civilian aviation.
The biggest difference is that one is EMPLOYING an aircraft and the later is just flying it...closer to BUS DRIVING than flying in my opinion.
I feel I've done enough of both long to know...and if you have not done both, then you really can't comment about comparing the two.

 

[Hobiehawker]

You are correct there SWA/FO...Flying a single engine fighter does not prepare one for civilian aviation.
The biggest difference is that one is EMPLOYING an aircraft and the later is just flying it...closer to BUS DRIVING than flying in my opinion.
I feel I've done enough of both long to know...and if you have not done both, then you really can't comment about comparing the two.

Wow...that was a quick reply. Your first post and a quote from 4 months and 10 days ago.

Your not helping your case.

 

[pilot141]

Please.....let this thread die the death that it deserved months ago.

There were rude comments made by a lot of people, but let's not reopen old wounds.

Start a new thread if you must, but let this one die!!!

 

[PCL_128]

Well, I'm glad someone went to the trouble of resurrecting a 4 month old thread just so they could incite the old fighter-jock vs civilian argument yet again.

 

[MDP727]

2004 w2 / 82,000 4 yr fo ATA

2005 w2 will be about 15,000. / I took a voluntary furlough and retired at 35. My investment properties produce more income than my 5yr pay at ATA be will under the current concessions. No apps anywhere don't want to be 55 and going through this again. The only reason I mention this is because there is life outside of that uniform gents. Since Nov of last year I have pocketed 70K tax free buying and selling foreclosures, not including monthly rental income. Home every night, every weekend, every hoilday.
If I ever fly the big ones again it will be for fun!

 

[What Next]

Wow...that was a quick reply. Your first post and a quote from 4 months and 10 days ago.
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Well....yur right, I'm new to this blog..I'll look at the dates more closely next time.
However, even though it may be an old post...but you are still reading it...right

 

[Palomino]

my penis and my paycheck are both of slight dimensions...

i'll stay out of this discussion.

you guys keep swordfighting...