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Jim Smyth said:
Sorry about the "snide" remarks…I just get tired of all the LUVers out there bragging about their pay and how smart they were to make the "decisions" they made 5 years ago to work for LUV.
The thing no one talks about is how 5 years ago, when the majors were hiring like mad, you guys at LUV were bailing like rats on a sinking ship. You guys were all applying to the majors, and now, the ones who failed to get hired by a major back then and were stuck there at LUV brag all the time about what an excellent choice you made to "stay" at LUV. Like you had a choice.
Anyway, I hope the best for you all. But please remember, this industry is crazy. You may be at the top of your game right now, but no one knows what the future holds. Learn a lesson from us guys from the majors, the bigger they get the harder they fall. I know all of you think you are invincible right now, but things can change. Good luck!
[FLAME ON]
History has taught us in aviation, no one is invincible. I am at SWA because that is who I got hired by when my last company went of of business in 1991/92 time frame. I knew nothing about SWA before being hired here. At that time SWA wouldnt have been in my first few choices if I had one to make while being unemployed. However with that said its been a great place to work. I feel very fortunate to be where I am and am glad it worked out the way it did. I hope everyone finds happiness and good fortune in aviation at some point. Sometimes its better to be lucky than good. Sorry for some of my comments that may have been off center. Your comments just struck my nerve wrong.
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captboy2001 said:
Right ... get a grip, son. That military pilot has a degree, a million dollars worth of flight training, and may have been flying a $50 million dollar fighter for 10 years doing things you never dreamed of, in places you don't want to go to get that 2,000 hours. Sure, that's about equivalent to a commuter hiring some guy with 500 hours of pop-bang time and a GED to fly their Beech 1900.
GV
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$125,000.
Minus health insurance--$120/mo.
Minus used school bus purchase--$3500.00 (it was pretty run out)
Minus hot plate and pans--$15.00
Minus 10 gal. of benzine--$25.00
Minus a case of sudafed--$100.00
Two months income from mobile meth lab--$25,000.
Look for me in a mall parking lot near you.TC
Minus health insurance--$120/mo.
Minus used school bus purchase--$3500.00 (it was pretty run out)
Minus hot plate and pans--$15.00
Minus 10 gal. of benzine--$25.00
Minus a case of sudafed--$100.00
Two months income from mobile meth lab--$25,000.
Look for me in a mall parking lot near you.TC
GVFlyer said:
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you.......................
The Aviiiaaaatiiiiiiiiiiiooooooooooooonnnnnnnn Gooooooood!.
Hey GV, try reading the post you responded to again.
captboy did not try and show equivilence between military fighter gods and 500 hour 1900 FO's. It was obvious to me that he didn't agree with either one being the best choice as airline newhires.
out.
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I would argue
that while "military vrs civilian" will never go away, one reason Airline X seems to "hire only military" is because the military is one big network of contacts and friends, buddies taking care of other buddies.
And nothing is wrong with this. Same as Class XX from Embry Riddle who stayed in contact with each other and Larry who is at UPS gave a rec to Bob who is applying, etc, etc.
Getting a job is about networking just as much as it is qualifications and education. With "networking" covered by being in the military, mandatory college degree block is automatically checked as is XXX millions in flight training given, experience in jet aircraft and heavy jet aircraft, international ops, combat ops, and lets not forget, protecting our country.
It should not be rocket science why military guys get called. It is what it is. Accept it, or be mad at it, your choice. I am NOT military but as a professional pilot I recognize the above facts and, hey, thats the facts.
As a civilian, to be more competitive in the market, all "we" can do is network network network, try to get as much experience in a variety of operations as possible, and do our very best to be competitive. Do 100% to prepare for the next job and be competitive, and what else can you do?
later
that while "military vrs civilian" will never go away, one reason Airline X seems to "hire only military" is because the military is one big network of contacts and friends, buddies taking care of other buddies.
And nothing is wrong with this. Same as Class XX from Embry Riddle who stayed in contact with each other and Larry who is at UPS gave a rec to Bob who is applying, etc, etc.
Getting a job is about networking just as much as it is qualifications and education. With "networking" covered by being in the military, mandatory college degree block is automatically checked as is XXX millions in flight training given, experience in jet aircraft and heavy jet aircraft, international ops, combat ops, and lets not forget, protecting our country.
It should not be rocket science why military guys get called. It is what it is. Accept it, or be mad at it, your choice. I am NOT military but as a professional pilot I recognize the above facts and, hey, thats the facts.
As a civilian, to be more competitive in the market, all "we" can do is network network network, try to get as much experience in a variety of operations as possible, and do our very best to be competitive. Do 100% to prepare for the next job and be competitive, and what else can you do?
later
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Was on the fence
About $82K/US Navy/8th year/only seat in the jet/almost 3 years sea time (that means I wasn't home)
Great post. I was on the fence on the in/out decision until I read this. Guess which side of the yard I just landed in... where did I put all those email addresses of my buds at FEDEX/JB/SWA anyway.
About $82K/US Navy/8th year/only seat in the jet/almost 3 years sea time (that means I wasn't home)
Great post. I was on the fence on the in/out decision until I read this. Guess which side of the yard I just landed in... where did I put all those email addresses of my buds at FEDEX/JB/SWA anyway.
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I honestly feel that it does not matter civilian vs military. Arguments can be made for both sides. I have worked for chief pilots who would only hire military pilots because, "they got the best training". I have worked for chief pilots who would only hire civilians because, "they have got the best exprience, I am not hiring a guy to land on a boat, I need a guy who has experience flying in and out of airport XYZ"
I remember my interview at AA, the sim instructor actually told one of the interviewies," you better learn to play nice son, because the last time I checked AA does not have any single engine aircraft, nor do we plan on getting any".
Being military or civilian can work for you and against you. You just never know.
That is why, I feel it does not matter. The bottom line is they are hiring the person. You need to have the ability to sell yourself. You only get 45-60 minutes to make the guy on the other side of the table say, "we need this guy". As long as you maintain a positive attitude, stay honest (don't try to hide anything just explain it the way it happened and why you did it) and sell yourself. You will do just fine.
Most people on the other side of the table are looking to hire the best person not the best resume.
I remember my interview at AA, the sim instructor actually told one of the interviewies," you better learn to play nice son, because the last time I checked AA does not have any single engine aircraft, nor do we plan on getting any".
Being military or civilian can work for you and against you. You just never know.
That is why, I feel it does not matter. The bottom line is they are hiring the person. You need to have the ability to sell yourself. You only get 45-60 minutes to make the guy on the other side of the table say, "we need this guy". As long as you maintain a positive attitude, stay honest (don't try to hide anything just explain it the way it happened and why you did it) and sell yourself. You will do just fine.
Most people on the other side of the table are looking to hire the best person not the best resume.
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CAL, 7th year 737 reserve FO
$109,700 gross
flew under guarantee (76hrs) every month but Aug (85hrs)
638 hrs block for the year
70 nights away from home for the year
3 weeks vacation
just did my taxes and I got to keep 76%
$hit for retirement, so 13% of what's left gets invested for that
$hit for benefits, so 5.3% of what's left goes to that
and another 2% for union dues leaves a grand total of $66,000 to live on
$109,700 gross
flew under guarantee (76hrs) every month but Aug (85hrs)
638 hrs block for the year
70 nights away from home for the year
3 weeks vacation
just did my taxes and I got to keep 76%
$hit for retirement, so 13% of what's left gets invested for that
$hit for benefits, so 5.3% of what's left goes to that
and another 2% for union dues leaves a grand total of $66,000 to live on
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Hey Kernal,
Yeah, I personally, can see how flying a single engine fighter prepares one for a civilian flying career. No extra sim sessions beacuse of your awesome CRM and radio skills, right.
Like it or not you're a civilian aviator now (at least during the week). I know you miss your weekly "squadron cheer", your TDY, your 0-6 pay, your flat-top landings, bombing the enemy, driving the GV around and shopping at the PX. Hopefully, you'll get over it. Its over, welcome to the civilian world of flying... Where, believe it or not, civilians have worked just as hard to get here as you military folks have (with about 50% less pay and benefits along the way).
Yeah, I personally, can see how flying a single engine fighter prepares one for a civilian flying career. No extra sim sessions beacuse of your awesome CRM and radio skills, right.
Like it or not you're a civilian aviator now (at least during the week). I know you miss your weekly "squadron cheer", your TDY, your 0-6 pay, your flat-top landings, bombing the enemy, driving the GV around and shopping at the PX. Hopefully, you'll get over it. Its over, welcome to the civilian world of flying... Where, believe it or not, civilians have worked just as hard to get here as you military folks have (with about 50% less pay and benefits along the way).
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