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x402 said:The question should be, " Will Mr Boisture's ego prevent Netjets from going forward as the company it can be?"
Gulfstream 200 said:YES I said SCABBING, they work for 1/3 the wages they should. Union bull$hit or not--- thats a SCAB. Hence they have no credibility now.
Sctt@NJA said:For what its worth this particular NetJets pilot is disgusted with the unions position on who would be considered a SCAB.
For those not keeping track that would be... any pilot involved with flying a "NetJets transaction"
Not just charter pilots covering our trips, but all of NJI as well...
I can't think of a better way for us to lose all credibility than with this position.
(now I am curious if I will get an "educational PM" for this post)
FLYLOW22 said:Define your version of scabbing if you would please.
The definition accepted by all unionized air carriers presently includes the presence of strike picket line to be crossed which, to date, has never existed on this side of the airfield. That makes it hard for NJA pilots to be SCABS unless they were SCABS from a previous airline.
All pilots out there on furlough flying charter or yearning to someday work for any unionized 121 carrier need to remember that in selecting the choice as to whether to cross a NJA picket line and fly NJA owners during a NJA strike. It will affect future recall rights and hiring potential.
G, you bash NJA pilots for the past 10 years when, in fact, most of us have only been here for the past 5 tops. We are now taking large steps to close that gap between our pay grades. The pay here sucks ass. Period. It's a crap job as . Why would you not support us in trying to change that and in the process "raise the bar" for this entire sector of the industry? Do you not want the positive effects that raising of the bar would create on paychecks for thousands of corporate and frax pilots?
FLYLOW22 said:Why would you not support us in trying to change that and in the process "raise the bar" for this entire sector of the industry? Do you not want the positive effects that raising of the bar would create on paychecks for thousands of corporate and frax pilots?
FLYLOW22 said:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sctt@NJA
For what its worth this particular NetJets pilot is disgusted with the unions position on who would be considered a SCAB.
For those not keeping track that would be... any pilot involved with flying a "NetJets transaction"
Not just charter pilots covering our trips, but all of NJI as well...
I can't think of a better way for us to lose all credibility than with this position.
(now I am curious if I will get an "educational PM" for this post)
Scott,
If you have any questions at all please go to one of your MEC members, Stewards, P2P reps or the SPC.
www.njasap.com
I personally did this myself? I think not. We all know where the bar is set and NJA pilots are woefully below that mark. Management made many promises over the years regarding pay which never came true. The money is here... they just want it for themselves. Nothing new. If we continue to drag the bar down, the entire industry will continue to be affected... your W2 as well.Gulfstream 200 said:Good god, raise the bar? You buried the bar years ago.
Agreed. Are you in? Help us. We (labor) will all benefit in the long run.Gulfstream 200 said:Get salarys up? You have to at least double yours to get back to the lower side of industry standard!!!!
SCAB is a Union term. We did need Unions to define SCAB. The defnition of a SCAB is one who crosses an existing picketline for one's own well being. This SCAB phenomenon has been recorded several ways over the years in the form of replacement workers, line crossers from the existing seniority list and even hired charter crews.Gulfstream 200 said:I already told you what I think a SCAB is. Most of us dont need a Union to define that, its common sense. You SCABS know who you are.
Gulfstream 200 said:Save your threats, read on here...nobody is intimidated and youre losing support real fast..you would be smart to rethink your position.
LXJ31 said:Thats a little fuzzy for me, be specific; What support are you looking for? You seriously want a guy who works for a small 135 outfit to tell his boss that he will not fly a NJA sell-off, something they had routinely done before, and fall on his sword? Specifically, what benefits would he receive in that situation, seeing that he is not a member of any union?
I put down the company cool-aid years ago. Come on Rick... How do you feel about the situation?Kingairrick said:FLYLOW22: PUT DOWN THE CUP. There's something in the cool-aid.
you will have definately defeated any slim chance you had getting a job in the corporate aviation world outside of NJA! Period.
FLYLOW22 said:Specific... Let me try here. If I were scheduled to fly a trip during a NJA Pilot strike then I would be sure that it was NOT a NetJets sponsored trip. All you have to do is ask the right questions of your company and of several other outlets available though the various FBO vendors. If I were not satisfied with the answers given then I would hold off on making a few bucks on a charter flight in lieu of not having to worry with the spectre of a SCAB label. This is not an easy situation for the the industry to deal with but it is coming.
What to tell your boss? I would openly ask if they intend to operate NJA trips during a NJA strike. I would offer my objections to flying those trips in a polite way. I would try to emphasize that it might be better to wait until the storm stettles prior to vending for NJA. At least I would have communicated my true feelings to the powers that be. I don't personally believe that the majority of pilots WANT to SCAB. It happens becasue of various pressures (mostly econimic) exerted on labor from management.
Benefits received? A clean SCAB record. A clear conscience. Also a feeling of confidence in knowing that you did your part to protect the careers of the pilots in this industry. If you are looking for some sort of strike pay or tangable item in return I'm afraid you most likely won't find much. Benefits like that come only with Union membership but that's only a couple of Union Cards away if you wish.
FLYLOW22 said:We are now taking large steps to close that gap between our pay grades. The pay here sucks ass. Period. It's a crap job as . Why would you not support us in trying to change that and in the process "raise the bar" for this entire sector of the industry? Do you not want the positive effects that raising of the bar would create on paychecks for thousands of corporate and frax pilots?
Ultra Grump said:Why exactly are you 135 guys on the fractional board anyway? You have your own board, and you don't see any of us over there interrupting your "NJA pilots suck" circle-jerk.
You all say that our union's definition of what is struck work has turned you against us. Well I don't happen to agree with that definition, but you 135 guys' crappy attitudes and constant bitching about something you profess not to care about is starting to change my mind.
You all certainly sound like a bunch of scabs...
Now let me give you the answer that 99% of the boss's will give the pilot who raises these concerns. He will say, in a polite way: "You have two options: Fly the trip or find a new job".What to tell your boss? I would openly ask if they intend to operate NJA trips during a NJA strike. I would offer my objections to flying those trips in a polite way. I would try to emphasize that it might be better to wait until the storm stettles prior to vending for NJA. At least I would have communicated my true feelings to the powers that be.
johnny taliban said:It really is an idiotic position to put yourself in but like I said in an earlier post,less competition for me.