Strike Vote Called For at NetJets

[Traderd]

I'll agree with you on that one. However, it's no more laughable than assuming ANY 135 guy/gal is going to give a #$it about this scab threat ...

This thread must represent the legendary "brotherhood" of pilots everyone keeps talking about. You know, the "brother/sister" references. One thread refers to someone's "Alaskan Brethern". There once was a saying concerning rank among Warrant Officers and virtue among whores. Seems it may apply to any "brotherhood" among pilots.

For an outsider, it is almost comical to see one group of employees threating another. Maybe McDonald's employees can organize and make a list of "scab" Burger King workers who dared serve struck work french fries to a customer who would have otherwise had to satisfy the craving under the golden arches.

Somehow it seems that if you can command more money, you would have it. If you can easily replace your income elsewhere, you would do it. If the company operates in an unsafe manner, you would leave it. Could be that some will do almost anything for the chance to be a "professional" pilot and as such, the struggle to dictate the price of your commodity becomes a very difficult task indeed.

Question for the NetJet guys; is there a shortage of qualified applicants for current positions at your company at the present time, given the pay and benefits offered? If so, I would guess you can write your own ticket. If not, you may not have such an easy time.

 

[Viffer]

Your post would probably have more impact if you could at least spell genius correctly.

Thanks for the correction.

I would like to thank all of those who have chosen to respond to these posts, who have helped me realize that your cause is not worth even as little effort as it takes to write these posts. You will all realize at some point that all pilots benefit from the gains of the different pilot groups in the industry. When a large pilot pool goes down there are negative effects throught each sector. Also when one group makes gains there are positives as well. Since you cant understand what I'm talking about here is the simple version: You all need as many friends as you can get right now, but you would rather make threats against those few you had. There are outside pilots who still wish you all the best but as of now I am not one of them. To actively foster such animosity towards those outside of your struggle is shortsighted and stupid. From this point I will stay out of your problem and not give it a second thought.

 

[TonyC]

It's really surprising that so many folks are taking an attempt to educate as "animosity." NO ONE wishes to label another pilot a "scab." Pilots would much rather have brother pilots stand together. Stand up for each other and you'll rise higher together. On the other hand, let your brothers down and it lets us all down.

If NetJets refuses to fly it, you should refuse, too. Make it easy on yourself - - if you think there's a chance, let your employer know where you stand now. The advance notice might prevent him from committing to something that he can't deliver. You don't want him to be put in a bind. The "Heads Up" could make the difference.


CHARACTER - - doing what's right even when nobody's looking.



You'll always have yourself to live with, so ... Whatever makes you happy ...


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You'll know ...




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[h25b]

NO ONE wishes to label another pilot a "scab."

Really ??? You seem to use the term pretty loosely .

On the other hand, let your brothers down and it lets us all down.

If NetJets refuses to fly it, you should refuse, too.

Please stop with the "brothers/sisters" stereo-typical tag line... It's really stupid.

Again, some people's ignorance of the 135/charter world is amazing...

CHARACTER - - doing what's right even when nobody's looking.

I for one need no character lessons from flightinfo.com, but thanks anyway.

You'll always have yourself to live with, so ... Whatever makes you happy ...

You at least got that one right ... But wait a minute, what about our "brothers?" Won't I always have them to live with as well ?

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Oh boy, not the pilot union Brother talk again...

Yeah...lets all be "Brothers"...

"Brothers" who happily took jobs at 1/3 of what they should have paid..

You got my support "Brother".

Im just thankful my real Brother would never fark me like my average fractional "Brother" has.

You guys have been bringing down the industry working for laughable wages for years, you volunteered for it - nobodys taking anything away from you...Now you want support from the industry YOU scabbed for the last 10 years?? You aint getting much aside from 4 or 5 clowns here and one nutty wife.

Scab list? Having Netjets on your resume is pretty much the same in the corp world anyways!


anyhow, just curious also,,...does a Fedex pilot stop flying packages that might have gone on UPS if his "Brothers" strike?....or is he a SCAB also? How does he sleep at night?
My guess...just fine.

 

[johnny taliban]

if you think there's a chance, let your employer know where you stand now. The advance notice might prevent him from committing to something that he can't deliver.

No offense,
but from looking at your profile it appears that you have never had to fly charter during your career. My employer,like many others on this board,does NOT care about my personal views concerning Netjets. They are in business to make money and if the phone rings for a charter quote the boss gives out the quote and I fly the trip. No questions asked. He gets the business, I fly the trip. If I refuse to fly I will be fired. Simple. Its easy to talk about "integrety" and "character" when you have union protection. Will you get fired if you refuse to fly UPS's boxes if they go on strike?

Johnny

 

[Starman]

Tony C -

Superb post. Let me amend that - outstanding post.

This is actually a simple issue. Pilots that climb into an aircraft for ANYONE and fly a trip carrying Netjets or Marquis owners contracted by Netjets during a legally authorized strike by Netjets pilots are flying struck work. Asking Netjets pilots to ignore that basic fact is absurd. If you are faced with that situation, you have a decision to make. You can stand behind Netjets pilots trying to make our industry a better place or you can do something else. That something else carries consequences.

The bottom line is that if our contract generates better pay and working conditions, those will travel through the 135 industry because your employers will fear losing valued employees to Netjets. We will have 5000 pilots within a few years. We will have a good contract. That demand will force other 135 companies to follow suit or lose pilots. Work with us now and you will reap the benefits. Fly struck work and reap what you sew.

 

[h25b]

The bottom line is that if our contract generates better pay and working conditions, those will travel through the 135 industry because your employers will fear losing valued employees to Netjets. We will have 5000 pilots within a few years. We will have a good contract. That demand will force other 135 companies to follow suit or lose pilots. Work with us now and you will reap the benefits. Fly struck work and reap what you sew.

Just when I thought it was impossible to surpass the foolish optimism of netjetwife. Are you sure you're not netjetwife's husband ???

This must be where netjetwife jumps in with my other favorite union knucklehead tag-line, "a rising tide lifts all boats..."

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

Good for the Goose...

Pilots would much rather have brother pilots stand together. Stand up for each other and you'll rise higher together. On the other hand, let your brothers down and it lets us all down.

My boss is talking about selling one of our planes because we've asked for a raise and now he says the'll just sell the darn plane and have NetJets fill in the lift. If you guys say that you will refuse to fly a demo or any flight with my boss or his employees on board, I'm sure to do the same for you. You can all line up and PM me with your commitments.

Ace

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

Tony C -

Superb post. Let me amend that - outstanding post.

This is actually a simple issue. Pilots that climb into an aircraft for ANYONE and fly a trip carrying Netjets or Marquis owners contracted by Netjets during a legally authorized strike by Netjets pilots are flying struck work. Asking Netjets pilots to ignore that basic fact is absurd. If you are faced with that situation, you have a decision to make. You can stand behind Netjets pilots trying to make our industry a better place or you can do something else. That something else carries consequences.

The bottom line is that if our contract generates better pay and working conditions, those will travel through the 135 industry because your employers will fear losing valued employees to Netjets. We will have 5000 pilots within a few years. We will have a good contract. That demand will force other 135 companies to follow suit or lose pilots. Work with us now and you will reap the benefits. Fly struck work and reap what you sew.

I can't speak for ALL of my 91/135 brothers, but the more posts like this we read the more we hope you FAIL!!! Yes, FAIL. I used to be on your side, but now I'm seeing what a selfish, self-righteous group of people you are. Starman, you should stay with a job with a union, because any corporate flight department (like ours) would can your a$$ in about 10 minutes.

The union does what you want, and the majority of you (not you Diesel) have made your position loud and clear. You want to make our lives harder, we'll respond in the same way, any chance we get.

Ace

 

[transpac]

anyhow, just curious also,,...does a Fedex pilot stop flying packages that might have gone on UPS if his "Brothers" strike?....or is he a SCAB also? How does he sleep at night?
My guess...just fine.

If any airline operates a flight in lieu of a UPS flight and carries UPS packages during a strike, the crew would definitely be scabs. Theres no way a Fedex crew would ever participate in such activity.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I wouldnt let it get you THAT worked up....

They just have no basis, thus not much support...

Here is the summary:

"I was happy to take that job at 1/3 industry pay last year, but now Im furious at the big bad company, and I want Industry Pay -- or Im striking - my Union speaks for me!" "Were organized and Netjetwife is making cakes and manning the hotline"

Its farkin comical!

How does one support that?

Fellas, we never wanted you to take those wages, in fact, we hated it.

Good Luck

 

[Viffer]

I can't speak for ALL of my 91/135 brothers, but the more posts like this we read the more we hope you FAIL!!! Yes, FAIL. I used to be on your side, but now I'm seeing what a selfish, self-righteous group of people you are. Starman, you should stay with a job with a union, because any corporate flight department (like ours) would can your a$$ in about 10 minutes.

The union does what you want, and the majority of you (not you Diesel) have made your position loud and clear. You want to make our lives harder, we'll respond in the same way, any chance we get.

Ace

Very well said. Right now my co-pilot is entertaining another job offer, that he deserves, and I will be most likely looking for another pilot in the very near future. What do you NJ guys think the chances are that I will consider any of you after reading the idiocy of guys like Tony C and Starman? If the majority of you don't agree with their views then you need to make that known loud and clear to your representatives because you are eroding your support from the industry. Thanks, ace.

 

[johnny taliban]

Hell, at this point I thinking Im better off if these guys go ahead with the threat and p!ss everybody off in the corporate world. At least that will eliminate some of my competition for the better corporate jobs.

Interviewer: "So, your one of those Netjet scabs?"
Me: (nervously)"yeah,thats right."
Interviewer: "Me too! Congratulations, your hired!"

Johnny

 

[Gulfstream 200]

If any airline operates a flight in lieu of a UPS flight and carries UPS packages during a strike, the crew would definitely be scabs. Theres no way a Fedex crew would ever participate in such activity.

WHAT????

How are you going to know that I sent my box Fedex because UPS is on strike? Im still sending my package no matter what...how you going to know?

THATS THE POINT HERE...

Im not talking about hopping in the airplane and starting it up for UPS, Im talking about flying thier customers boxes. ITS THE SAME THING...

support your "brothers" ...my a$$....your going to be enjoying the increased revenue and profit sharing from moving more boxes. Thats a "Brother" for ya!