Stop the divisive SWA AAI stuff

[SWAdude]

So the Hawaiian wide body Captains would all be placed at the top of the
seniority list, with the SW narrow body pilots under them?

That's probably how an arbitrator would see it.

Maybe a good idea for Southwest to avoid an impartial arbitration again
because they aren't going to like the results.

My guess is that it would be dozens of pages of material and not one sentence no matter how that SLI is resolved.

 

[General Lee]

I would ask you to read the first two posts on this thread and determine who is doing what.

If loyalty is something you find to be the same as a Cheerleader, then I am a VERY proud Cheerleader.

SWAdude,

So you don't want me to give my opinion on your merger and resulting integration? I happen to think it was done poorly. But, again, you don't want me to give it...... Alriiiiight....? I didn't even start the thread.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Dan Roman]

What is also weird is how you chose to get on the SWA bashing bandwagon not even closely representing what I wrote.

No business is bullet proof. But some are much stronger than others and our balance sheet is stronger than it has ever been while others are still largely weaker than they were prior 9/11 or the Gulf War so when it comes to weathering the storm, we could even better than before.

And maybe you should be happy about this factoid since there is legitimate rumors going around that Hawaiian might very well be the next acquisition.

If you think SWA is a more secure career than the big 3 you are deluding yourself.
Personally, my take is the music has stopped for this industry and those of us that are left all have chairs. But for sure SWA is going to feel more pressure from VA, JetBlue, Spirit anf F9 than the 3 large legacies will. I'm sure you'll be fine, but your niche in the market is a vulnerable one.
The HA merging with anyone rumor always floats around but doesn't happen and for good reason. As far as with SWA, it's been soundly debunked on here and I'm not going to even bother pointing out the numerous reasons that thinking SWA having an AirBus hub in HNL would work for them is foolish. DAL and AA are the only ones who could possibly make it work, but that too is highly unlikely. We have a niche that only works as Hawaiian Air, paint another name on the side of our airplanes and merge us with another employee group and you pretty much kill what has made us successful.

 

[Dan Roman]

Oh BTW, do you realize how silly your " legimate" rumors comment sounds?

 

[Dan Roman]

We all can be as lucky as you

Hawaiian Airlines is untouchable .


Your very lucky Dan .

Thanks! :beer:

 

[freightdogfred]

legitimate rumors

Now there's an oxymoron if I've heard one. Kinda like "a little bit pregnant"
or "a stripper's dressing room"

 

[HowardBorden]

I'm sure you'll be fine, but your niche in the market is a vulnerable one.

Southwest carries more domestic passengers in the US than any other carrier, I think most will agree that's more than a niche.

 

[Dan Roman]

Southwest carries more domestic passengers in the US than any other carrier, I think most will agree that's more than a niche.

Yes it's a "niche" It's the LCC niche and your business plan is much more like the other LCC carriers than the legacies. Your market is largely the budget traveler.
It's not an insult coming from me, Hawaiian is a total niche carrier. We serve mostly the vacation traveler. Personally, I think it's a better place to be than at one of the big three. So nothing wrong with having a nice niche.

 

[Dan Roman]

My guess is that it would be dozens of pages of material and not one sentence no matter how that SLI is resolved.

You are correct there! I think it's a safe bet arbitrators don't use FlightInfo as a resource when deciding career expectations, relative seniority etc!

 

[waveflyer]

Well that escalated quickly...

It's over. There's nothing any of us can do about this. Moving along, nothing more to see here. All that matters now is that we grow like crazy and hope the check on the 5th and 20th never bounces.

Word.

 

[Tripower455]

You guys still feeding that troll?

 

[gt1900]

Anyone who thinks the animosity is going away anytime soon is sorely mistaken. The AAI guys got screwed, and it's only until they cross the fence that they realize how hard. I just don't understand why people drink the SWA cool aid. It's a job, at an airline that tries to operates the 737 like it's an F-16. It's ridiculous. Don't mistake guys showing up to work and being professional, with being happy to be there. I think most would agree that AAI was a pretty darn good place to work, and the policies and procedures were light years ahead of SWA. I could go on a rant for hours why SWA is a glorified commuter, but I'm stepping off my soapbox now and going back to my happy place!

 

[redflyer65]

Anyone who thinks the animosity is going away anytime soon is sorely mistaken. The AAI guys got screwed, and it's only until they cross the fence that they realize how hard. I just don't understand why people drink the SWA cool aid. It's a job, at an airline that tries to operates the 737 like it's an F-16. It's ridiculous. Don't mistake guys showing up to work and being professional, with being happy to be there. I think most would agree that AAI was a pretty darn good place to work, and the policies and procedures were light years ahead of SWA. I could go on a rant for hours why SWA is a glorified commuter, but I'm stepping off my soapbox now and going back to my happy place!

I can't stop laughing. Thanks GT.

 

[General Lee]

Anyone who thinks the animosity is going away anytime soon is sorely mistaken. The AAI guys got screwed, and it's only until they cross the fence that they realize how hard. I just don't understand why people drink the SWA cool aid. It's a job, at an airline that tries to operates the 737 like it's an F-16. It's ridiculous. Don't mistake guys showing up to work and being professional, with being happy to be there. I think most would agree that AAI was a pretty darn good place to work, and the policies and procedures were light years ahead of SWA. I could go on a rant for hours why SWA is a glorified commuter, but I'm stepping off my soapbox now and going back to my happy place!

Hmmmmm. Wow.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[bluesideup1]

Anyone who thinks the animosity is going away anytime soon is sorely mistaken. The AAI guys got screwed, and it's only until they cross the fence that they realize how hard. I just don't understand why people drink the SWA cool aid. It's a job, at an airline that tries to operates the 737 like it's an F-16. It's ridiculous. Don't mistake guys showing up to work and being professional, with being happy to be there. I think most would agree that AAI was a pretty darn good place to work, and the policies and procedures were light years ahead of SWA. I could go on a rant for hours why SWA is a glorified commuter, but I'm stepping off my soapbox now and going back to my happy place!

Have you heard of the florence nightingale effect? Talk about delusional. Just a quick question to back up your assertions. How many people left Southwest or any other major to come to AAI?

 

[dicko]

Word.

Ah, I see you've returned from your ranting on the other site. It was your 'no paragraph' rule that gave you away.

 

[madjack]

Gt1900, DAL is hiring...please, please submit an app...your crap attitude is not needed...

 

[zman]

Anyone who thinks the animosity is going away anytime soon is sorely mistaken. The AAI guys got screwed, and it's only until they cross the fence that they realize how hard. I just don't understand why people drink the SWA cool aid. It's a job, at an airline that tries to operates the 737 like it's an F-16. It's ridiculous. Don't mistake guys showing up to work and being professional, with being happy to be there. I think most would agree that AAI was a pretty darn good place to work, and the policies and procedures were light years ahead of SWA. I could go on a rant for hours why SWA is a glorified commuter, but I'm stepping off my soapbox now and going back to my happy place!

As a former AirTran first officer who has transitioned and now has to commute I think you are on drugs. Seek help....

 

[Hardcorr]

Got laid in Lobbock the other night. Does it mater where?

 

[waveflyer]

Ah, I see you've returned from your ranting on the other site. It was your 'no paragraph' rule that gave you away.

There's another site??

 

[Daddy]

I'm just not seeing the airtran vs SWA animosity out on the line. Just dudes flying airplanes.

 

[slaquer5]

I'm just not seeing the airtran vs SWA animosity out on the line. Just dudes flying airplanes.

I agree


I don't see it here except for GL. and Dan R. two peas in a pod


Oh and PCL , but he is not coming over .


Scratch that last statement , he is now waffling on the SWAPA Fourm about coming over.


PCL. when you come over ,you need to bid PHX. The colonels out there will love you.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Southwest carries more domestic passengers in the US than any other carrier, I think most will agree that's more than a niche.

Operating word is Domestic.....

Thats like saying you are the largest carpet seller in Cleveland....it doesnt make people in the industry stop and kiss your feet out of respect.

Get over yourself Howard

 

[redflyer65]

Hate to break it to you Bill, but we almost fly as many people 'DOMESTICALLY' than Delta does combined.

2013 Passenger Enplaned (2013 annual):

Delta: 120.3 Million
SW: 115.3 Million

We carry almost 20% more domestic passengers than Delta, or close to what a combined American and United operation would do.

A little bigger than you carpet salesman comment there Bill, but I know you didn't even look into it before posting...again.

Edit: I guess those numbers are so close because they don't have all your 'regional partners'. Not sure if that is something to be proud of, or just embarrassed about.

 

[HowardBorden]

Operating word is Domestic.....

Thats like saying you are the largest carpet seller in Cleveland....it doesnt make people in the industry stop and kiss your feet out of respect.

Get over yourself Howard

Actually Bill it wouldn't be anything like saying you were the largest seller in a single city in Ohio. However, saying your the largest seller in the United States would be an accurate analogy. There is a large difference.

 

[HowardBorden]

Hate to break it to you Bill, but we almost fly as many people 'DOMESTICALLY' than Delta does combined.

2013 Passenger Enplaned (2013 annual):

Delta: 120.3 Million
SW: 115.3 Million

We carry almost 20% more domestic passengers than Delta, or close to what a combined American and United operation would do.

A little bigger than you carpet salesman comment there Bill, but I know you didn't even look into it before posting...again.

Edit: I guess those numbers are so close because they don't have all your 'regional partners'. Not sure if that is something to be proud of, or just embarrassed about.

Actually, those numbers are a little misleading. In 2013 SWA and AirTran were reporting separately even though operating under a single operating certificate. Here are the combined totals.

SWA: 133.140 Million
Delta: 120.389 Million

http://www.rita.dot.gov/bts/press_releases/bts012_14

 

[redflyer65]

I missed that Howard, you are correct sir.

So does that mean DL is the biggest carpet seller in ATL?

 

[HowardBorden]

I missed that Howard, you are correct sir.

So does that mean DL is the biggest carpet seller in ATL?

They are the biggest seller of something in Atlanta and quite frankly worldwide. Their profit margins are huge and I have no problem giving credit where credit is due.

The passenger counts are really pretty insignificant since profit is really the ultimate goal. I only commented because I found Dan Roman's comment about our "niche" market humorous. I have always viewed niche markets as small carve outs of the whole pie and I think our slice of that pie is larger than a niche.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Hate to break it to you Bill, but we almost fly as many people 'DOMESTICALLY' than Delta does combined.

2013 Passenger Enplaned (2013 annual):

Delta: 120.3 Million
SW: 115.3 Million

We carry almost 20% more domestic passengers than Delta, or close to what a combined American and United operation would do.

A little bigger than you carpet salesman comment there Bill, but I know you didn't even look into it before posting...again.

Edit: I guess those numbers are so close because they don't have all your 'regional partners'. Not sure if that is something to be proud of, or just embarrassed about.

Big difference carrying a 777 New York-TLV than 12 hops between Hobby and Tulsa. You can almost quadruple the pax count right there.

And then the question of metrics......the way you Daisy chain people through five cities to go transcon and by your own account in annual reports, you count each through person at every departure. So for every Wal-mart Flipflop crowd you board for 99 bucks.....you may even count em 5-7 times. (look it up)

Red....be proud of your mighty Domestic Lift.....you are singlehandledly saving US aviation!!

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

I missed that Howard, you are correct sir.

So does that mean DL is the biggest carpet seller in ATL?

I forgot....you fly to Aruba now....Fly a heavy -800, and have Vnav.

you are the same airline....my bad