STOP PAYING YOUR Fltop UNION DUES!

[fischman]

Why yes you did.

If my memory serves, it didn't work back then either.

 

[jetwash]

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What a joke !!!!!!

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Tarantas and Los716 (F&H)

FLOPS management must be real stupid to be paying you big money for such an amateurish job of trying to break the pilots resolve to get an industry standard contract.

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If you can't pay.
You can't play.

Shut her down !!!!

 

[Semore Butts]

Nothing more needs to be said!

Ya'll beat me to the punch.

I sure hope you Flight Ops "Brothers" don't let a couple "one post wonders" change your convictions as far as making your lives better.

As my other "brother" said; "Freedom isn't Free".

"Stay the course"!

"Hold the line"!

It's good to know your advaseries are so inept to think a bunch of technical minded people such as yourselves would actually believe this "thread starters" rant.

I can't speak for you, but for me, "I'd rather die on my feet then live on my knees".

Don't give up.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

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What a joke !!!!!!

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Tarantas and Los716 (F&H)

FLOPS management must be real stupid to be paying you big money for such an amateurish job of trying to break the pilots resolve to get an industry standard contract.

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If you can't pay.
You can't play.

Shut her down !!!!

Exactly.
Hmmm...wonder what the name on the credit card for these new screen names is?

 

[dime line]

EveryBody lets welcome to Flightinfo:

J. Eppley and N. Marker. Both Flightoptions pilots and both anti union till the last man standing.

 

[B19 Flyer]

It is the union's job to consider the interests of all of it's members. I do not believe our leadership will effectively leave our fallen heroes lying wounded on the field of battle. I wonder who among us would set aside our collective responsibility to those pilots who have lost their jobs? I wonder who could live with the soul crushing consequences if we did? Yes accepting management's proposed economic package would provide a pay raise, but could any of us hold our heads high at work knowing that every other pilot out there knew you were "one of those cowardly Flops pilots". We'd be no better than scabs in the eyes of our peers.

No doubt those devoid of any sense of honor will be willing to make such a Faustian bargain with management. And yes it will be all of the usual suspects. The reticent and weak-sisterly bunch who have plagued us with their cowardice from the beginning. That being said, the vast majority of pilots are supportive of our union's position. They see this economic package for what it is, simply a first offer, which needs to be countered.


We as a pilot group should be proud of our collective response to this cheep shot by management. The fact that majority have not flinched in the face of this ruse and have communicated their intention to see this through, rather than accept blood money in exchange for the wellbeing of our brethren and their families, speaks volumes about the character of this group.

That management would now resort to sending out first time posters on this message board - as though they would be afforded a shred of credibility here - and dispatched known pro-management pilots like Eppley and Marker to send out hand-wringing e-mails designed to persuade pilots to cave in, speaks volumes about their level of desperation.

If we stick together now we will win the day. And when we do we will be afforded the respect we will have earned for standing up for our brothers and staring down our wicked and underhanded management. If we flinch as some here are advocating, our jobs will not be worth having and the name of "Flight Options Pilot", will be synonymous with Sniveling Coward.

There isn't a union in the world that has given up pay and/benefits to protect the bottom third of a seniority list or fired pilots.

To the union, they are simply the cost of doing business. Always have been, always will be.

Dig your feet in, scream, yell and say whatever you want, the union has failed you at Flight Options to this point. Those guys are toast, and the decision to place a union on the property is in large part responsible for their job losses.

Three years of turmoil, a stagnant airline with no growth and now a failing economic environment, and it's clear, your union didn't get it done.

These guys are gonna "show" those managers, just like the Eastern guys did.

I can only imagine what the boards are going to write about me when it goes down as I said it would.

Not a single person on these boards will ever admit "they got what they asked for!"

 

[cougar12]

You are confused!

I read on the IBT website that Teamsters National has instructed 1108 to not accept any agreements or to continue negotiations until the 70 pilots are retuned to employment status. National stated that we have to make a stand for the sake of all Unions and if that means they close the doors and we loose our jobs then so be it. It seems that National has planned an approach for their interests and not the interests of 1108. This seems to be their MO and this is why Net Jets is in the process of voting out the IBT and forming their own union in house.

I have spoken with several of our pilots and everyone agrees that the pay raise is fair and the package is a great starting point. Therefore, why would we be ignorant and actually make a stand that would lead to our unemployment. Yes, I hate the fact that we lost 70 of our comrades and it sucks the way the company handled the situation. However, should we all lose our jobs because of it? I don’t think so and I don’t think that is what the 70 pilots would want us to do.

In case anyone forgot, we are in the middle of an economical mess when jobs are limited and airlines are closing. Besides the rising price of fuel we also have to face higher costs of food and other living expenses. This does not seem like a good time to start looking for a job because our Union is being stupid and making a stand against a 30% pay raise.

Our negotiating committee seems to be on their own agenda and has stopped listening to the pilot group. The pilot group wants a pay raise, fair work rules and a JOB. The current path that the negotiating committee is on will lead to none of that. Therefore, if they are not representing what we desire then why should we pay our dues. That is like going to a restaurant and paying for a meal that you never get. We do not have time to elect new representation so we have to deal with what we have. So the only way we can get their attention and make them listen to us again is by a financial pinch and by strongly voicing our opinion.

So lets make a stand a remind the Union who they work for….Please step up and contact M and E (two of your 1108 leaders) and the others of the 1108 to remind them they work for us and we want to keep our jobs.

It is your 1108 that has kept your job this far. The International has let the 1108 know if the company does not continue to negotiate a resolution to the "Black Friday Massacre" and a CBA they will close the doors on Flight Options. Nothing you say or do will change that fact. If you think the Teamsters will let 500 jobs set a precedence for further union busting actions you are very naive. The 70 or so will be returned to work if they choose to come back or you will be out of a job as well period!
Further more, I spoke with a few of the affected pilots and they all ready have a attorney of thier own ready to go if they don't get a resolution through their union's course of action.

 

[B19 Flyer]

It is your 1108 that has kept your job this far. The International has let the 1108 know if the company does not continue to negotiate a resolution to the "Black Friday Massacre" and a CBA they will close the doors on Flight Options. Nothing you say or do will change that fact. If you think the Teamsters will let 500 jobs set a precedence for further union busting actions you are very naive. The 70 or so will be returned to work if they choose to come back or you will be out of a job as well period!
Further more, I spoke with a few of the affected pilots and they all ready have a attorney of thier own ready to go if they don't get a resolution through their union's course of action.

This is basic union business and they will say what they want, but behind closed doors they are nothing more than a bargaining chip.

 

[CA1900]

There isn't a union in the world that has given up pay and/benefits to protect the bottom third of a seniority list or fired pilots.

Except for 1108, which did exactly that to get better basing privileges and a substantial raise for the bottom few hundred guys on the Netjets list.

But you don't deal in real-world examples; how quickly I forget.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Except for 1108, which did exactly that to get better basing privileges and a substantial raise for the bottom few hundred guys on the Netjets list.

But you don't deal in real-world examples; how quickly I forget.

Union history with aviation is as real world as it gets.

NJ upgraded an existing contract, the change wasn't made because the carrier was strapped and they were looking for concessions to stay out of financial trouble.

Historically, when a carrier is strapped for cash, the union will always negotiate for higher wages and fewer pilots than to keep all the pilots and take a pay cut to save their jobs.