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Boy, you guys are doing a great job ignoring this B19 guy. Funny how everybody says: "I just put him on my ignore list, life is so much better." But in reality, you still read his posts full of valid points. You wouldn't feel the need to reply to him if the things he says didn't strike a nerve. Silly.

No, I'm not him, we're not in the same office, but go ahead and think what you want, you will anyways...

Oh yeah, in this developed country, there is no need for a union in any industry. They just gather the weak, bleed the companies, and try to force thier way onto others.
Kinda like church...
 
skanza said:
Oh yeah, in this developed country, there is no need for a union in any industry. They just gather the weak, bleed the companies, and try to force thier way onto others.
Kinda like church...
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ill remember that when i look at my paycheck this week.

like i said before, im sure netjets really wanted to pay me 160k yr on their own...

you need some training. I really wish you could be my FO someday.
 
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brokeflyer said:
ill remember that when i look at my paycheck this week.

like i said before, im sure netjets really wanted to pay me 160k yr on their own...

you need some training. I really wish you could be my FO someday.
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Don't hold your breath if you're talking to Skeeza... just an owner's services/OCC puke with a grudge
 
It's no wonder so many folks in our lovely country have a problem with the concept of Evolution. With Barf 19 and Skanzoid running about as examples, it is not surprising!

Hang tough there FLOPS pilots, it's obvious management is getting a wee bit desperate. Your time will come.
 
That world Famous Gunfyter -- Josie Wales says:

"...Now remember, things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is."

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Do what you want. When similar union busting tactics occurred in 2005 ... NJ pilots made voluntary donations in addition to the union dues we were already paying.

So...
"Are you gonna pull those pistols or whistle Dixie?"
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gunfyter said:
So...
"Are you gonna pull those pistols or whistle Dixie?"
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Now that the Supreme Court actually got one right, they should have some pistols to pull...:beer:
 
Thanks for all of the support guys!!!

From what I am seeing and hearing it looks like the FLOPS pilots are becoming even more unified and stronger.

The support from pilots who were just sitting on the sidelines was a surprise. It looks like it just took a kick from the company to wake them up.

cheers :beer:
 
OHGOON said:
It's no wonder so many folks in our lovely country have a problem with the concept of Evolution. With Barf 19 and Skanzoid running about as examples, it is not surprising!

Hang tough there FLOPS pilots, it's obvious management is getting a wee bit desperate. Your time will come.
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I'd think more along the lines of the evolution of a union, or should I say.. the lack thereof.

How is the turmoil going over at FLOPS? Two years of "voted in" union, and how many before that?

Yep, now THAT's evolution..
 
Ugh...

I just threw up a little just then...:erm:
 
fischman said:
Ugh...

I just threw up a little just then...:erm:
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OK.. we've had this discussion before. How are unions evolving? I don't see anything. The test will be over the upcoming year or two while the economy is slipping.

If unions have truly evolved, there should be a complete change in how they negotiate when the times are tough.

Right now, there are a lot of pilots that will be unemployed simply because the union contract they are under will be too expensive for the carrier to maintain. The union won't take the cut, you know it as well as I do.

That's what makes me sick, is all the employees that are going to lose their jobs while the union drags its feet during tough economic times.

If you think that NJ or any frac is immune from this, you're only fooling yourself.
 
B19 Flyer said:
OK.. we've had this discussion before. How are unions evolving? I don't see anything. The test will be over the upcoming year or two while the economy is slipping.

If unions have truly evolved, there should be a complete change in how they negotiate when the times are tough.

Right now, there are a lot of pilots that will be unemployed simply because the union contract they are under will be too expensive for the carrier to maintain. The union won't take the cut, you know it as well as I do.

That's what makes me sick, is all the employees that are going to lose their jobs while the union drags its feet during tough economic times.

If you think that NJ or any frac is immune from this, you're only fooling yourself.
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yeah your right, Options managemant woulda just gave all the pilots the wages they deserve, shared the profits, gave them fair vacations, etc, etc, etc all outta the kindness of their heart.
 
brokeflyer said:
yeah your right, Options managemant woulda just gave all the pilots the wages they deserve, shared the profits, gave them fair vacations, etc, etc, etc all outta the kindness of their heart.
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So, you're saying they held a gun to your head to work for the wage they offered when you took the job. That was your time to bargain for pay, not after you saw NJ pilots get a union imposed raise that could be afforded by Buffet, but not under the FO business plan.
And I repeat: FO is not NJ. Different financing, different business plan, different fleet, etc... I'll remind you that FO has no intention of being the biggest Fraction/135 operator. They've communicated that to us and and the rest of the employees.
Don't fly broken airplanes, don't break airplanes that aren't broken.
 
skanza said:
I'll remind you that FO has no intention of being the biggest Fraction/135 operator. They've communicated that to us and and the rest of the employees.
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So they've said. Ad Nauseum. Not that I believe a 1/10th of what comes out of managements mouth, but I'll agree with you they've definitely spewed this mantra - repeatedly.

So who's to say we're going forward in the fractional model? Who's to say that H.I.G. doesn't have a business idea that will ultimately reap a much larger cash-flow and profit than the model NJA currently has. Far fetched, you say? They laughed at Santulli when he first unveiled his fractional model.

All that to say the contract being currently negotiated is going to cover a LOT of ground: past, present and future. The company would be wise to view the employees (including the pilot group) as the "Team Members" they're so fond of calling us. The day managment ceases to pay lip service to this dribble and truly include everyone on the "Team" is the day this company will start to gain huge success - in whatever market niche they choose to compete.

It isn't just about a CBA for the pilots, Skumza. A contract is but one component of running this business going forward. We also need products that can be sold. We need a sales team who can sell this product - not just an old pig with lipstick on it. We need efficient operations in CGF. We currently have people running OCC today who make decisions based on the fear they'll lose their jobs if they don't do exactly what they're told - no matter how outrageous or costly their marching orders.

What this company needs the most is leadership. We have suffered huge losses from a lack of vision and leadership. We are a customer service provider that is being run by people who wouldn't know customer service if it punched them in the nose and who only want to sell seat revenue. This is a top-down problem, with the root of the problem being Sheeringa. It is my sincere hope that this particular problem will be corrected about the time the contract is signed.

You know what I've explained here to be true. The only reason you can't (or choose to not) see it is because of where your head is. I'm guessing if MS or BT took a sharp right turn, it would break your neck.
 
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What this company needs the most is leadership. We have suffered huge losses from a lack of vision and leadership. We are a customer service provider that is being run by people who wouldn't know customer service if it punched them in the nose and who only want to sell seat revenue. This is a top-down problem, with the root of the problem being Sheeringa.

Well said!
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I suppose its interesting that the thread starter and other initial detractor have not been back online since the original post......
 

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