STOP PAYING YOUR Fltop UNION DUES!

[CA1900]

NJ upgraded an existing contract, the change wasn't made because the carrier was strapped...

Wholly irrelevant. You said, "There isn't a union in the world that has given up pay and/benefits to protect the bottom third of a seniority list or fired pilots." On that point, you're wrong.

Historically, when a carrier is strapped for cash, the union will always negotiate for higher wages and fewer pilots than to keep all the pilots and take a pay cut to save their jobs.

You mean the way AirTran's union agreed to a 10% pay cut after 9/11 to keep from having to furlough?

Keep those "union facts" coming...

 

[400pilot]

I was told by a dependable and trustworthy source in CGF that HIG has instructed the company to shut the doors and liquidate all assets beginning in July if the Union will not agree to negotiate with the current proposal the company has offered. HIG did not pay that much for Flight Options and they feel they can get their money back with a small return and then invest it into an actual business that will work. Knowing this, I would say we take B’s email very seriously.

A few points.....

1. HIG payed over $250 for Options.
2. Prior to the sale, Raytheon had disclosed that cost to buy back shares and existing sales exceeded $550 million.
3. Flight Options leases everything except its core fleet of about 40 aircraft, most of which are beechjets. All Xs and Legacys are leased.

If HIG were to liquidate, it might get around $200 to $250 million for the aircraft. This does not take into account time for sale of aircraft and the fair market reduction that would occur when the market becomes saturated with excess stock. They would also have to buy back sales and contracts. Even if it is only half of what Raytheon claimed last year, that means HIG is into it for $500 million +. They are not going to recover their investment if they liquidate. In fact, they will lose at least twice what they paid.

Also, companies do not just liquidate in such a short period of time after acquisition without various attempts at making a profit. This especially holds true for something as financially insignificant as a contract that would not cost much more than what they just offered. No one in their right mind would throw away $500 million over $10 million.

You are either lying because you want the carrot, or were lied to and are ignorant enough to believe it. Why don't you go check out our chairman's response to Bob's letter. I know the people on the MEC and they are good, honorable men. They are pilots here and want a contract as bad as you do..plus there is no fruit or benefit to them for lying about anything. Ask yourself who benefits the most from not having a contract. Ask yourself who benefits the most from delaying a contract. The answer is clear.....

 

[fischman]

Three years of turmoil, a stagnant airline with no growth and now a failing economic environment, and it's clear, your union didn't get it done.

What do airlines have to do with this?

 

[William Holiday]

To each and every Flight Options Pilot.

You already work for a company.......

You already work for a company that will change the rules and BLAME YOU for it.....no examples needed here...You all know what I'm speaking of.

You already work for a company a company that wont even protect its sickest employees. YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR INSURANCE....USE YOUR LONG TERM DISABILTY to make your cobra payments. WE DON'T CARE IF YOU HAVE A ROOF OVER YOUR HEAD or FOOD TO EAT!

You already wor for a company that will fire you for no cause.

NO CGF 1 ARR
No Written Warning
No Verbal Warning
No Warning.....period

You already work for compny, that won't even give a
employee survey.. They know how bad you have it.
They just don't care.

You already work for a company, that now, wants to take the last thing that you do control.......YOUR DIGNITY AND YOUR SELF RESPECT.

This fight is much bigger than Flight Options. Many thousands are watching.....and waiting.

Don't let......FEAR.......be your guide.

 

[HSDriver]

MS, F&H, Bob, Epply, Marker, et all...

Every pilot I have talked to is disregarding your deadline and ready to close the doors on this place if you can't meet industry standard. Best of luck to you all, and good luck to the next group of pilots MS ventures on to.

HS

 

[B19 Flyer]

What do airlines have to do with this?

The same thing that IBT and truck drivers have with 1108. They are the same thing as pilots, right? They both have operators who are certificated to transport goods nationwide and have the same union control them.

You don't know the difference between a drop, a drip, a seepage and a leak, I sure as hell wouldn't expect you to understand the finer points of certifying 91K, 135 and 121 air carriers that are all certificated under Part 119.

 

[B19 Flyer]

[/color][/size][/font]Wholly irrelevant. You said, "There isn't a union in the world that has given up pay and/benefits to protect the bottom third of a seniority list or fired pilots." On that point, you're wrong.




You mean the way AirTran's union agreed to a 10% pay cut after 9/11 to keep from having to furlough?

Keep those "union facts" coming...

Actually, I was thinking about ALL THE OTHERS that didn't and furloughed thousands.

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

There isn't a union in the world that has given up pay and/benefits to protect the bottom third of a seniority list or fired pilots.

Wrong..... look at NJ.....
To the union, they are simply the cost of doing business. Always have been, always will be.
Wrong again...no one will be left behind, any novice lawyer will tell you that... $$$$
Dig your feet in, scream, yell and say whatever you want, the union has failed you at Flight Options to this point. Those guys are toast, and the decision to place a union on the property is in large part responsible for their job losses
Wrong yet again, Blame F and H... standard operating procedures
Three years of turmoil, a stagnant airline with no growth and now a failing economic environment, and it's clear, your union didn't get it done.
When did Flops become and Airline??
These guys are gonna "show" those managers, just like the Eastern guys did.
Sigh...this arguement is getting old, need I remind you, B:
The old way is not the way...
The ancient truth not literal today....
I can only imagine what the boards are going to write about me when it goes down as I said it would.
Easy, Your the same scumbag who still thinks he can see into the future and brays forth his misguided thoughts like a wounded donkey. Furthermore, you are a confused individual who thinks you were married to a very angry broad shouldered man.
Not a single person on these boards will ever admit "they got what they asked for!"

Rubbish, pure, Rubbish spewed forward by the Almighty Fear Grenade tosser....

Boom! There goes another calculated tactic by F and H....gee whiz, I wonder what is next in their playbook...

.. Stall Stall, cry poverty, take hostages, make threats....give up, take money, and run for the next easy management target.


Stay Strong Brothers and Sisters..stay strong.. You are never alone and always appreciated.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Rubbish, pure, Rubbish spewed forward by the Almighty Fear Grenade tosser....

Boom! There goes another calculated tactic by F and H....gee whiz, I wonder what is next in their playbook...

.. Stall Stall, cry poverty, take hostages, make threats....give up, take money, and run for the next easy management target.


Stay Strong Brothers and Sisters..stay strong.. You are never alone and always appreciated.

Beginner....

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

Beginner....

Is that all you got???? You disappoint me...