Spirit T/A Details?

[OurMoney1]

ALPA national can not be blamed for what is negotiated at the LOCAL level. When it comes to national policy blame Prader all you want. But when a local NC swallows bad bait you can't scream at Herndon with any credibility.

First year pay sucks, it will always suck, its the business and its something that we live with and complain about.

 

[PCL_128]

Can anyone tell me why health insurance rates? copays? etc.... are even in this thing? I have never seen that before however I have limited experience....does swa, Airtran, JB anybody have this?

Yes, that's quite common. Every contract will contain either a listing of the exact rates the pilot pays, or the percentage of the total premium that the pilot and the company each pay. The rates in your TA aren't bad, and limiting the increase to only 7% per year is incredible. By comparison, an AirTran pilot can pay as much as $700+ per month for family coverage on the PPO (POS), and the company can increase our cost by 15% each year. Granted, our premiums are far above industry average, but it looks like the rates in your TA are pretty close to the industry average, and yearly increase is almost nothing.

 

[lostplnetairman]

The rates on the insurance also includes dental coverage. The POS plans Spirit has are open access, no referral "Cadillac" plans.

By increasing the contribution and cost sharing, the plan is no longer grandfathered under health care reform. That means, according to my wife, it doesn't matter what it says the cost sharing will be in the CBA. It will have to follow the law because it's no longer a grandfathered plan. That will mean first dollar coverage for preventative care, limits on annual and lifetime caps and more.

 

[MDP727]

That max pay is at 15 yr. All the current captains on the list are at 9+ years. 10yr capt pay will come in at $159. Compared to other carriers at their max pay.

AA MD 80 Max $161
Cont $150
Delta $162
United $137
UsAir $142

 

[gt1900]

That max pay is at 15 yr. All the current captains on the list are at 9+ years. 10yr capt pay will come in at $159. Compared to other carriers at their max pay.

AA MD 80 Max $161
Cont $150
Delta $162
United $137
UsAir $142

AA.. Concessionary contract... In negotiations
Cont.. Concessionary contract... In negotiations
Delta.. Concessionary contract.. Will be in negotiations
United.. Well, you get the point.

 

[RJ Bum]

AA.. Concessionary contract... In negotiations
Cont.. Concessionary contract... In negotiations
Delta.. Concessionary contract.. Will be in negotiations
United.. Well, you get the point.

Yep, why is it that so many people forget this? Everyone is in a concessionary contract this absolutely should not be used as the standard.

 

[MDP727]

I haven't forgotten. However, each of those mentioned will need to come up with substantial percentage increases just to match and it won't be first year. A 10% bump NOW will put them at or above the new Spirit pay for the 10yr mark. What about the 15 yr mark? Not to mention how long are those negotiations going to take. Did they grandslam this thing, maybe, maybe not. Too me ALL THINGS considered I think they came out pretty decent. My hats off to them for seeing it through to the end. I worked at Spirit over 10 years ago under entirely different pay. At the time for me I thought it was a decent place to work, then. Also at the time I was in a mad dash to get to a major.
Check out this avaition timeline: First airline goes out of business, left second airline job for Spirit, would now be 2nd captain on list at that company, left Spirit for major, major now out of business would be 10+ captain at Spirit, now out of career flying totally. NOW make more and enjoy life much more.

 

[AceOnTheRiver]

That max pay is at 15 yr. All the current captains on the list are at 9+ years. 10yr capt pay will come in at $159. Compared to other carriers at their max pay.

AA MD 80 Max $161
Cont $150
Delta $162
United $137
UsAir $142

AE CRJ700 CA MAX PAY

172.50 absolute max per hour.
142.00 normal OT/CK per hour.
122.00 reg CK hourly rate.
104.00 reg line hourly.

 

[MDP727]

"AE CRJ700 CA MAX PAY

172.50 absolute max per hour.
142.00 normal OT/CK per hour.
122.00 reg CK hourly rate.
104.00 reg line hourly. "

Your comparing apples to oranges. Don't use what you could make. Use this number "104.00 reg line hourly".

 

[AceOnTheRiver]

"AE CRJ700 CA MAX PAY

172.50 absolute max per hour.
142.00 normal OT/CK per hour.
122.00 reg CK hourly rate.
104.00 reg line hourly. "

Your comparing apples to oranges. Don't use what you could make. Use this number "104.00 reg line hourly".

True. But I know quite a few senior guys at Eagle making more than 150K because of how the contract and hourly rate changes.

 

[OPECJet]

First year pay sucks. It doesn't matter if it is this year or 4 years from now. It still sucks. Keep flying your commuter if you don't want to deal with it. Five years from now look back and see how wise that decision was. Your choice.

The first two sentences of your post is quite possibly the most ignorant thing I've ever read on any message board.....

Congratulations.

 

[pipejockey]

"The problem is, every single "major" management team will be holding this up to their respective pilot unions saying "SEE?! THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO COMPETE WITH!""

I guess I don't see it. Here's the pay comparisons.

Spirit Max pay $186
AA MD 80 Max $161
Cont $150
Delta $162
United $137
UsAir $142

How can you possibly justify comparing Spirit's pay rates four years from now to Other airlines pay rate as of today? Four years from now due to contractual bumps every year, the other airlines will have far greater numbers than they do now. Plus with new contracts, they are likely to have even greater than that. And what about the FO's who have been sold out at Spirit? Look at those rates and compare them to other airlines.

Spirit 5 Year FO on DOS $76
AA 737 $97 (Concessionary contract to avoid bankruptcy)
UAL A320 $82 (Not just a concessionary contract but a bankruptcy contract)
DAL A320 $98 (A contract greatly influenced by bankruptcy but improved
slightly for a smooth merger with NWA)
USA/AW A320 $79 (Bankruptcy Contract)
CAL 737 $90

So you see, even airlines that are operating on bankruptcy contracts are even higher than what Spirit, a very profitable company, will pay its guys on DOS.

Lets continue with some airlines that got new contracts recently, and they in and of themselves are quite pathetic contracts as compared to 10 years ago.

Alaska 5 year FO 737 $101
HAL 717 $93 (A much smaller aircraft than Spirits 319-321's)


Spirit pilot's, please vote this TA down not only for your selves but for everyone that has supported your fight and walked the line with you. I will be happy to donate a full 5% of my salary as opposed to that .02 ALPA assesses us.

 

[boomlrd]

It will get voted down, more are seeing the light! I have not flown with a yes vote yet and I am holding them to it!!

 

[pipejockey]

It will get voted down, more are seeing the light! I have not flown with a yes vote yet and I am holding them to it!!

Best news I've heard since that TA was put out!

 

[Jiminmem]

It will get voted down, more are seeing the light! I have not flown with a yes vote yet and I am holding them to it!!

I always hear this but all these TA's always pass. In a year everyone will have the, "Don't Blame Me, I Voted NO," stickers, even though it passed by 65%.

 

[FLYLOW22]

The day anyone compares earnings to AE is the day they have conceded totally.

 

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I always hear this but all these TA's always pass. In a year everyone will have the, "Don't Blame Me, I Voted NO," stickers, even though it passed by 65%.

Sad, but probably an accurate prediction.

Maybe we will remember at election time. Somewhere else in one of these strings, someone said that you can't blame ALPA National and/or Prater because the local negotiators and elected officials make the decisions. Agreed.
I want to know what's wrong with the ALPA democratic process that keeps giving us guys that bend over every time management threatens a shutdown/furlough. Why do reps assassinate other members characters just to get elected, positioning themselves as the strong advocates for pilots, then act like company lapdogs after they get elected.

Somewhere, there's a flaw in the process.

 

[Dan Roman]

The first two sentences of your post is quite possibly the most ignorant thing I've ever read on any message board.....

Congratulations.

Odd statement, whether you agree with Blubbers or not, many do. First year pay is low because you are on probation. Right wrong or indifferent, that's the way it is and few would say paying more first year but accepting less for the rest of the contract would be a good idea.

Try making your point without an insult, sounds like you may be spending a little too much time watching Fox News.

 

[flygirlqt]

Somewhere, there's a flaw in the process.

The flaw lies within the fact that ALPA has no accountability or consequences for lousy representation. The boys in Herndon know their dues revenue is guaranteed regardless. Until ALPA starts taking a financial haircut, things will never change.

 

[Lear70]

I always hear this but all these TA's always pass. In a year everyone will have the, "Don't Blame Me, I Voted NO," stickers, even though it passed by 65%.

AirTran's didn't...