Spirit T/A Details?

[Crzipilot]

Don't think that says "new hire" pay, think it's pay while in training prior to being released to the line???? As it says you will be paid via section 4, if training takes longer than 90 days, through no fault of the pilot. then he'd goto first year pay, though not much better. 38.50 / 72hr.

 

[Whine Lover]

Fun with numbers:

Frontier / JetBlue - Airbus 10 yr. Captain - $ 130,800 avg. annual guarantee

Frontier / JetBlue - Airbus 5 yr. F/O - $ 75,540 avg. annual guarantee


Spirit ( new contract ) - Airbus 10 yr. Captain - $118,998 annual guarantee

Spirit ( new contract ) - Airbus 5 yr. F/O - $ 65,966 annual guarantee






YKW

 

[silverfish]

I haven't read the TA and dont plan to, but if these numbers are correct, why would your MEC sign off on that?

Fun with numbers:

Frontier / JetBlue - Airbus 10 yr. Captain - $ 130,800 avg. annual guarantee

Frontier / JetBlue - Airbus 5 yr. F/O - $ 75,540 avg. annual guarantee


Spirit ( new contract ) - Airbus 10 yr. Captain - $118,998 annual guarantee

Spirit ( new contract ) - Airbus 5 yr. F/O - $ 65,966 annual guarantee






YKW

 

[scarlet]

below pay and lose 150% opentime....4-6 capt pay rates joke! Scope huge bulletholes in it. The 4 days off between trips is nice. There are some nice things.


If you get a pay raise but lose 150% (which used to supplement a little more money) and the 150% goes away you really did not get any more money.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

First Officer Pay Rates
Years of Service DOS DOS+1 DOS+2 DOS+3 DOS+4
1 38.50 38.50 38.50 38.50 38.50

Mmmmm. New hires. Breakfast of ALPA Champions.

 

[BigMeat]

Really hope you guys vote no. Shame on alpa. F U Prater!!!

 

[jonjuan]

First Officer Pay Rates
Years of Service DOS DOS+1 DOS+2 DOS+3 DOS+4
1 38.50 38.50 38.50 38.50 38.50

Mmmmm. New hires. Breakfast of ALPA Champions.

No kidding. Combined with new hire training pay, a year one F/O is right around CAL year one pay. With most new hires these days older and with families, how many actually think this is right? Just like giving regionals flying, Who cares, it doesn't affect me."

 

[flygirlqt]

I really feel for the Spirit pilots because this is shaping up to be another ALPA screw job.

 

[jonjuan]

Airtran management now has another labor cost tool to use as leverage in negotiations. With the labor savings relative to their competition, Spirit management can now continue to provide deep discounts to passengers which will slowly, but methodically take business and marketshare away from the other LCCs (and even Majors). Just wait to see the pricing pressure placed on the rest of the industry in a few years as Spirit doubles/triples in size. I'll bet they make more than $100MM/year for themselves over the next few years.

 

[samballs]

Another ALPA failure.

 

[DonVerita]

Airtran management now has another labor cost tool to use as leverage in negotiations. With the labor savings relative to their competition, Spirit management can now continue to provide deep discounts to passengers which will slowly, but methodically take business and marketshare away from the other LCCs (and even Majors). Just wait to see the pricing pressure placed on the rest of the industry in a few years as Spirit doubles/triples in size. I'll bet they make more than $100MM/year for themselves over the next few years.

Probably not. Our negotiators are very quick to point out that Spirit is not a Major airline. They are a National airline. Therefore it's like comparing apples vs. oranges. Our negotiators concentrate on our peer group, which is Delta, Southwest, JetBlue, Alaska.

Furthermore, Spirit's competition with AirTran on our routes is approximately 1 or 2%.

If Spirit should triple in size and actually become a Major, then they would become comparative. Their next contract in 5 years would then have to reflect that change. Until then, AirTran management has no leg to stand on in this regard.

 

[Whine Lover]

Another ALPA failure.

You mean this is Tim Martens fault?

Because, "Tim is ALPA".

I'm just sayin'...


YKMKR

 

[Whine Lover]

never mind....



YKW

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

No kidding. Combined with new hire training pay, a year one F/O is right around CAL year one pay. With most new hires these days older and with families, how many actually think this is right? Just like giving regionals flying, Who cares, it doesn't affect me."

Ya know, they're practically college interns, those newhires. And we all know that interns aren't typically paid. . .

Nothing like voting a paycut (year over year) for those who can't vote. Contract? Try Ponzi Scheme.

 

[tomgoodman]

Honest questions

I'm in no position to evaluate the TA, but if the Spirit pilots got a bad one, people will certainly wonder why. They should have been in a perfect position: complete shutdown, profitable company, and no fed interference. Will any pilot group ever have a better opportunity for significant contract improvements? Were there some "special circumstances" at work in this case?

 

[Mike man]

I'm in no position to evaluate the TA, but if the Spirit pilots got a bad one, people will certainly wonder why. They should have been in a perfect position: complete shutdown, profitable company, and no fed interference. Will any pilot group ever have a better opportunity for significant contract improvements? Were there some "special circumstances" at work in this case?

ALPA really messed up!

I just took a dump and that looked much better than this TA

 

[SLOTH]

ALPA = Another Lame Pay Agreement?

 

[say again]

Where are our ALPA blowhards Rez and PCL??

 

[Jiminmem]

Was this worth striking for? Just asking, what were they originally offering?

Parts look all right, nothing great though

 

[PCL_128]

Where are our ALPA blowhards Rez and PCL??

Right here. This is a decision for the Spirit pilots to make, so I didn't want to jump in too much. But since you asked, I think the SPA MEC and NC did a great job and achieved significant improvements for their pilots. Is it an Alaska or Hawaiian TA? Of course not. Spirit is a niche carrier with a few dozen airplanes. You can't compare them. At the end of this agreement, Spirit will likely be 2-3 times bigger than they currently are, and they will be in a position to seek improvements comparable to other major airlines. But right now, expecting Alaska rates at a small national carrier is not realistic. I predict that it passes by at least a 2 to 1 margin.

Good job to the SPA reps. You guys put up a great fight, and made huge improvements for your pilots.