Spirit T/A Details?

[xray678]

Really? It is not a quick process to ratify a TA. I would think several weeks before the vote is closed. They have not even started the roadshows yet.

It will take a while to get contract language and have road shows etc. Ending the strike without the MEC even publishing a summary of the TA and at least taking a straw poll of what pilots think was foolish. I suspect it won't be so easy to strike again if needed.

 

[ualdriver]

It will take a while to get contract language and have road shows etc. Ending the strike without the MEC even publishing a summary of the TA and at least taking a straw poll of what pilots think was foolish. I suspect it won't be so easy to strike again if needed.

If the Spirit pilots were doing their job as union members, and the MEC was doing their job representing the pilots, there's no need for a "straw poll" as the MEC should have been made aware of the Spirit pilots' demands/desires BEFORE negotiations took place. Certainly there were surveys, union meetings, phone calls, e-mails, etc., to one's representatives to convey pilot wishes over the months/years?

Again, I think this "in limbo" situation some pilots are criticizing is a "no win" decision for the Spirit MEC. If the Spirit MEC had stayed out on strike while they worked out the final language for a contract when an agreement "in principle" was had, all the ALPA bashers would be out criticizing ALPA for leaving all of their pilots out on the picket line, further damaging the airline in the eyes of the public, not collecting a paycheck, etc., when in essence a TA has already been agreed to between management and ALPA. The MEC brought down the strike, got (hopefully) what the pilots will find acceptable, and are likely just working out final language for release to the pilot group.

Have any of the Spirit pilots tried calling/e-mailing their reps to find out what's going on?

 

[Crzipilot]

I think what the spirit pilots are fearing is the past history of ALPA. It does seem a little strange that there is ZERO official information out on the what the TA contained.

What the pilots are afraid of, is the TA coming out, and not being what they went on strike for. Being hoodwinked by their own alpa. I know I know, alpa would NEVER do that.

Now if the t/a comes out, and it contains the majority or all or is close to what the pilots find acceptable in meeting their demands. Then alpa will or would have been right in calling down the strike.

I guess we'll see when the details are released.

Did ALPO finally get it right.......or did the screw the pooch again?

 

[ualdriver]

I think what the spirit pilots are fearing is the past history of ALPA. It does seem a little strange that there is ZERO official information out on the what the TA contained.

What the pilots are afraid of, is the TA coming out, and not being what they went on strike for. Being hoodwinked by their own alpa. I know I know, alpa would NEVER do that.

Now if the t/a comes out, and it contains the majority or all or is close to what the pilots find acceptable in meeting their demands. Then alpa will or would have been right in calling down the strike.

I guess we'll see when the details are released.

Did ALPO finally get it right.......or did the screw the pooch again?

Ahh....didn't realize you were one of those anti-ALPA guys. The ones that misspell ALPA are my favorite. Sorry I posted now.

 

[boomlrd]

I will be the first to say, it has been verified by the MEC, 3k for Captains and 7k for FO's signing bonus. No retro, No overides (night, international is still same BS). NO MORE PER DIEM FOR OUT AND BACKS!! Pay increase of 10% for Captains, 18% for FO's. $0.20 increase in per diem, no international per diem. Training department keeps their lucrative pay, FO's will always be below Allegiant, JetBlue, Airtran for full length of contract by a longshot. 66 per hour 3 year pay, 4 year 69 an hour!! One single sick bank now. Still have 4 day off between pairings. Reserve has a convoluted system of periods. Senior FO's make out the best. Health care costs increase from 8%-15% depending on situation. No overtime premium pay, straight pay for all hours worked. Did I miss any of the key points of this crap TA? I am sickened to think I put my job on the line for this! Why did we even strike, we were promised pay parity or shut it down! I was ready! So was everyone else. VOTE NO!! This TA is in the "Spin machine" right now, of course they won't let you see it! Get ready for them to sell it to us all. To my fellow pilots: I am sorry we have let you down and I am embarrassed over this TA! VOTE NO!

 

[Splert]

I will be the first to say, it has been verified by the MEC, 3k for Captains and 7k for FO's signing bonus. No retro, No overides (night, international is still same BS). NO MORE PER DIEM FOR OUT AND BACKS!! Pay increase of 10% for Captains, 18% for FO's. $0.20 increase in per diem, no international per diem. Training department keeps their lucrative pay, FO's will always be below Allegiant, JetBlue, Airtran for full length of contract by a longshot. 66 per hour 3 year pay, 4 year 69 an hour!! One single sick bank now. Still have 4 day off between pairings. Reserve has a convoluted system of periods. Senior FO's make out the best. Health care costs increase from 8%-15% depending on situation. Did I miss any of the key points of this crap TA? I am sickened to think I put my job on the line for this! Why did we even strike, we were promised pay parity or shut it down! I was ready! So was everyone else. VOTE NO!! This TA is in the "Spin machine" right now, of course they won't let you see it! Get ready for them to sell it to us all. To my fellow pilots: I am sorry we have let you down and I am embarrassed over this TA! VOTE NO!

Your MEC must have learned something from Corporate to settle for this.

Now it is in the hands of the pilot group to decide.

 

[jonjuan]

Your MEC must have learned something from Corporate to settle for this.

Now it is in the hands of the pilot group to decide.

AKA, Airtran last year.

 

[flyboycmsu]

Turns still get per diem

 

[Frank Lorenzo]

I will be the first to say, it has been verified by the MEC, 3k for Captains and 7k for FO's signing bonus. No retro, No overides (night, international is still same BS). NO MORE PER DIEM FOR OUT AND BACKS!! Pay increase of 10% for Captains, 18% for FO's. $0.20 increase in per diem, no international per diem. Training department keeps their lucrative pay, FO's will always be below Allegiant, JetBlue, Airtran for full length of contract by a longshot. 66 per hour 3 year pay, 4 year 69 an hour!! One single sick bank now. Still have 4 day off between pairings. Reserve has a convoluted system of periods. Senior FO's make out the best. Health care costs increase from 8%-15% depending on situation. No overtime premium pay, straight pay for all hours worked. Did I miss any of the key points of this crap TA? I am sickened to think I put my job on the line for this! Why did we even strike, we were promised pay parity or shut it down! I was ready! So was everyone else. VOTE NO!! This TA is in the "Spin machine" right now, of course they won't let you see it! Get ready for them to sell it to us all. To my fellow pilots: I am sorry we have let you down and I am embarrassed over this TA! VOTE NO!

After reading these details, I have to urge a yes vote.

This is a win-win contract. It keeps the pilots at regional airline turbo-prop pay, and keep the rest of the money flowing where it belongs, the executive suite.

Vote yes!

(If you find any no voting heretics, just tell them that uncle Frank endorsed the TA to help convince them)

 

[Skyboy722]

I will be the first to say, it has been verified by the MEC, 3k for Captains and 7k for FO's signing bonus. No retro, No overides (night, international is still same BS). NO MORE PER DIEM FOR OUT AND BACKS!! Pay increase of 10% for Captains, 18% for FO's. $0.20 increase in per diem, no international per diem. Training department keeps their lucrative pay, FO's will always be below Allegiant, JetBlue, Airtran for full length of contract by a longshot. 66 per hour 3 year pay, 4 year 69 an hour!! One single sick bank now. Still have 4 day off between pairings. Reserve has a convoluted system of periods. Senior FO's make out the best. Health care costs increase from 8%-15% depending on situation. No overtime premium pay, straight pay for all hours worked. Did I miss any of the key points of this crap TA? I am sickened to think I put my job on the line for this! Why did we even strike, we were promised pay parity or shut it down! I was ready! So was everyone else. VOTE NO!! This TA is in the "Spin machine" right now, of course they won't let you see it! Get ready for them to sell it to us all. To my fellow pilots: I am sorry we have let you down and I am embarrassed over this TA! VOTE NO!

Huh? Didn't your MEC tell the company to pound sand whey they offered a much better deal than this? What happened? Or is the above inaccurate?

 

[redflyer65]

To my fellow pilots: I am sorry we have let you down and I am embarrassed over this TA! VOTE NO!

Boom,

You didn't sell out, but your MEC might have. Doesn't sound stellar by any stretch of the imagination. Why would they possibly have 'settled' on that?

I hope your intel is wrong but it sounds like you know the details.

RF

 

[jonjuan]

Boom,

You didn't sell out, but your MEC might have. Doesn't sound stellar by any stretch of the imagination. Why would they possibly have 'settled' on that?

I hope your intel is wrong but it sounds like you know the details.

RF

Man, that chick on the left sure is flat

 

[SMcC]

Hey Mike this whole thread and all the others on this topic are pure speculation. We haven't seen the TA. Personally I think we should be patient and let the process run it's course.

 

[airlinepilot]

Wow, how could any MEC be happy with sub-par pay and benefits.

 

[clickclickboom]

Blaming Alpa is like going to a restaurant, getting a bad meal and blaming the manufacturer that made the oven...

If that contract is not JB or better I would vote it down... Dont settle you guys are a cash cow and they can afford it