Spirit Roadshow and TA vote

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I want your crystal ball.

Like you haven't made any predictions. Some of us want this deal to go up or down on it's own merits, but you and HT are posting "we must ratify this or Franke will impose C9k" everywhere.

What crystal ball are you looking at? Why are you so sure of your predictions? If you can predict, why can't likeitis?

 

[lostplnetairman]

Because I am posting about what is legally allowed. The company is free to impose it's offer.

You said you were not going to a road show, so you know nothing of the process under the RLA.

Good luck.

I've already voted.

 

[CosmoKramer]

There aren't any 3 year captains. The most junior captain is 9 years. So, you see the rates going up beginning at 8 years.

Look the pie is only so big. They took care of the current pilot group, not a future pilot group that may or may not materialize.

Damn son, that's almost as selfish as an overtime hooker...I guess we need to take of you and not someone below you in seniority. Isn't that why you hate people who pick up overtime?

 

[CosmoKramer]

Originally Posted by lostplnetairman
I want your crystal ball.

Like you haven't made any predictions. Some of us want this deal to go up or down on it's own merits, but you and HT are posting "we must ratify this or Franke will impose C9k" everywhere.

What crystal ball are you looking at? Why are you so sure of your predictions? If you can predict, why can't likeitis?

Now that's funny stuff!!!!

 

[CosmoKramer]

Because I am posting about what is legally allowed. The company is free to impose it's offer.

You said you were not going to a road show, so you know nothing of the process under the RLA.

Good luck.

I've already voted.

So what was it???? yes, or no?

 

[boomlrd]

Voting is going on now, we are doing our best to show people the ills of this TA. Vote NO!

 

[lostplnetairman]

And how's that working for ya?

 

[ultrarunner]

Voting is going on now, we are doing our best to show people the ills of this TA. Vote NO!

If the TA is voted down broomlrd, is the group going back on strike?

 

[bubbers44]

boombird, why is it that everybody for the TA can give detailed information which I have confirmed is correct from their MEC and your side just says it sucks and vote no.

Maybe you guys should have gone to a road show to understand how the process works. I retired from a major airline and we never went to the company road shows but we sure showed up at the union ones. Why do you have a union if you won't hear their perspective of the TA? You have a good TA with excellent work rules and pay in line with the majors. Vote no if you want and see what happens. Vote yes if you agree the TA will be good for your pilot group. You have 9 days to decide. Don't let these few negative pilots influence your personal vote. Have a good night.

 

[ultrarunner]

Why do you have a union if you won't hear their perspective of the TA?

Bubbers, some of the animosity could be the result of the MEC FORCING their own members back to work from the picket line they were on....

BEFORE they even saw an offer....

Just a thought Bubbers....

 

[bubbers44]

As I recall a TA allows operations to resume until a union vote is done. Spirit did not have the reserve cash to withstand a continuing strike waiting for the vote outcome. If everyone wanted to shut down the airline continuing the strike would be the answer.

 

[ultrarunner]

As I recall a TA allows operations to resume until a union vote is done.

That may be so bubbers, but respect for your members comes first. And the very least, you run the numbers by them! If the company was that worried about the airline shutting down, they'd have had their ducks in a row. The strikers did!

 

[lostplnetairman]

Ultrarunner, you don't understand business. You only have so much cash in the bank. The NC knew how far they could go. There was no more pie to be had.

How many successful strikes have happened? We didn't kill the company and we got the company to go from nearly $40MM in concessions to over $70MM in improvements. The wages are at parity with the industry average and our work rules are considerably better.

Talk to a Jetblue pilot (not one of the top 20%) and see what they earn, what they pay, what their schedules are and how many days they are away from home (unless they live near NYC). I have and it's not pretty compared to us.

 

[bubbers44]

LPA, I have gone through a lot of contract disputes and voted no on most of them but this one seems like it should pass. I wish our airline could just go back to 2000 pay for the pilots working now. Hopefully the industry will recover to what it was some day. It cannot be done in one contract. Spirit has helped all of the industry if they approve this TA. In 5 years they can use the boost their contract gave everyone to improve the next one.

 

[Caveman]

Talk to a Jetblue pilot (not one of the top 20%) and see what they earn, what they pay, what their schedules are and how many days they are away from home (unless they live near NYC). I have and it's not pretty compared to us.

I'm a JetBlue 5th year A320 FO bidding in the top 50% in my seat: $100K+, 14-15 days off per month, and commutable trips (so predictable I don't even have a crashpad). Add in about another $10K from JetBlue for retirement. Not great, but not terrible. If your new TA is better than that I'd vote for it too.

 

[CosmoKramer]

I'm a JetBlue 5th year A320 FO bidding in the top 50% in my seat: $100K+, 14-15 days off per month, and commutable trips (so predictable I don't even have a crashpad). Add in about another $10K from JetBlue for retirement. Not great, but not terrible. If your new TA is better than that I'd vote for it too.

Thanks for insight...NKS TA rates are considerably lower than your 190 rates, by as much as 25 dollars per hour for some years. Can you believe they have rates 25 dollars less per hour than your 190 rates? I can't. No profit sharing, No employee stock options when the place goes public and we are giving away our overtime premium.

NK 5 year PIC rates never match your 320 PIC rates at any time of the 5 year contract. 10 year PIC beats your current 10 year PIC in 4 years by 1 dollar/hour.

Add 2 percent to union dues. I went on strike for pay parity with my peers, guess what, I consider jblu my peer, if they aren't who is? I see you everywhere I go flying the same aircraft, except you carry 23 less passengers per 320.

Now watch how the "pro ta" crowds beats me down, I'll start----But sprite has such a better quality of life and work rules than jblu...

Oh, and I forgot to mention no retroactive pay for the last 3.5 years of no raises.

 

[flygirlqt]

Thanks for insight...NKS TA rates are considerably lower than your 190 rates, by as much as 25 dollars per hour for some years. Can you believe they have rates 25 dollars less per hour than your 190 rates? I can't. No profit sharing, No employee stock options when the place goes public and we are giving away our overtime premium.

NK 5 year PIC rates never match your 320 PIC rates at any time of the 5 year contract. 10 year PIC beats your current 10 year PIC in 4 years by 1 dollar/hour.

Add 2 percent to union dues. I went on strike for pay parity with my peers, guess what, I consider jblu my peer, if they aren't who is? I see you everywhere I go flying the same aircraft, except you carry 23 less passengers per 320.

Now watch how the "pro ta" crowds beats me down, I'll start----But sprite has such a better quality of life and work rules than jblu...

Oh, and I forgot to mention no retroactive pay for the last 3.5 years of no raises.

Another ALPA capitulation. No wonder they pulled the pulled the picket lines down before showing this pathetic tentative agreement.

 

[kwick]

I'm a JetBlue 5th year A320 FO bidding in the top 50% in my seat: $100K+, 14-15 days off per month, and commutable trips (so predictable I don't even have a crashpad). Add in about another $10K from JetBlue for retirement. Not great, but not terrible. If your new TA is better than that I'd vote for it too.

Senior Spirit Capt $185/hour

Senior Jet Blue Capt 159/hour

 

[johnsonrod]

If you don't work for Spirit, please weigh out.

Quit acting GHAY. You can do better, and the worst part is that you know it! This is your time of leverage. Use it you KNOB!

 

[lostplnetairman]

Cut it out. I'm not interested in the non-Spirit group weighing in on the specifics of the contract when they know nothing about it.

I've already voted. Twice!