Spirit Airlines to add 10 new nonstop flights at Bush Intercontinental

[madjack]

Flopgut...slow and steady keeps the bankruptcies/furloughs/concessions down....haven't you read "hard landings"? SWA is an outlier, an airline that has a healthy balance sheet....hhhmmm

 

[humveedriver]

Ok, I'm kinda curious about that. Care to explain it more? IMO it looks like it's part of the vulgar way swa does business. Things go wrong at USAir and SWA goes into PHL. Same with UAL in DEN. They pimp these Texas airport deals like an unscrupulous lawyer. All SWA does is wait for something to go wrong for some other airline's employee group, and then they move in. Is that what passes for "warrior spirit?!" And is there a a worse pilot group out there for cheerleading? Has there ever been?

I'm really ready for the lip service to end. Anybody remember Chase getting on here and announcing SWA's grand entrance into Mexico service? It included a request he had for info on how to do ETOPS across the Gulf (wtf?). That was almost a decade ago. Just stfu and get the flying done SWA. I've been going to BOG (and others) for many years and hear JetBlue and Spirit down there doing work. No mouth, no BS, no trickery, just work. They've hung out their shingle, rolled up their sleeves, and got to business. Shoot AirTran did more in 16 years than SWA will do in 50. F-ing airline can't do anything unless some other employee group is getting hosed. AND their proud of that!!

I think we are having two separate conversations. Your beef with SWA is their practice of vulturing off the corpses of wounded airlines and the spin they use to get their way in political circles. I don't know what to tell you about that? It's what they do. They will go head to head with JetBlue and Spirit in the Caribbean.
Unless they buy them. Again all of that is out of my control.

I was referencing the flight operations department. It's a different animal than what I am used to. I think there is a regime change going on finally.

 

[Flopgut]

I was referencing the flight operations department. It's a different animal than what I am used to. I think there is a regime change going on finally.

Yeah, I don't like that they're vultures, and I talk about it. BUT, the flip side of that is, when they do get into a straight up fight they don't do so well. So it's not just "slow and steady growth" (mad jack)

I am also speaking to the Flt ops side. Don't say "they're going to go head to head with [airline]". Go do it. Go do it for a few years, then a few more years after that. Stay out of the headlines and the weeds at the end of the runway. Enough talk. I do understand its a struggle for SWA to get normal airline headwork into practice. But I'm not necessarily rooting against them making a successful transition to international flying, it will happen. (I just wanted to compete directly with them) What I'm saying is: let the work do the talking now SWA. Until then: stfu

 

[snap145]

Comming from you calling me an idiot , I will take it as a compliment . You might want do some research as to what the CEO of DAL says about Spirit .


You also might want to change your hire date when you talk about you being a Delta pilot so you will be senior to Scoot.

He actually is one so he is stuck with his hire date, you can change yours as fast as you post . With. 30k post soon on the way , that's fast .




Like others have said .You have self handed ruined this website .

Im not being a smarta$$ i really dont know...what does Richard have to say about Spirit?

 

[madjack]

Flop we have pulled out of a couple markets, but we have grown in EWR, IAD and DEN...it's tough to compete with legacy carriers operating post-bankruptcy contracts...all while paying industry leading pay...hopefully that will change as the legacy pilots improve their contracts[emoji7]

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

What is cool though, is that instead of being an ATL CPT, in the next couple of years I'll be a HOU CPT and probably fly only Int'l trips. I'm down with that.

I got no dog in this urinary olympiad but unless you have a bunk on your jet and carry more than 2 pilots you cant say you fly International.

 

[say again]

I got no dog in this urinary olympiad but unless you have a bunk on your jet and carry more than 2 pilots you cant say you fly International.

According to who, Bill? There are many Int'l pilots that would disagree with you, me being one of them.

 

[Flopgut]

it's tough to compete with legacy carriers operating post-bankruptcy contracts...all while paying industry leading pay...[emoji7]

Yeah, that was a bad deal. It's unpleasant competing with an airline who's pilots work for low pay. Sucks in fact! Legacy guys know all about it man.

 

[humveedriver]

I got no dog in this urinary olympiad but unless you have a bunk on your jet and carry more than 2 pilots you cant say you fly International.

I'll tell customs that.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

According to who, Bill? There are many Int'l pilots that would disagree with you, me being one of them.

Mexico and canada dont count....

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

I'll tell customs that.

Comeon Humvee....

Two man 737 down on an AR or over the gulf is a matter of crossing a border....really.

Using HF, etops planning, on some tracks, getting a meal, taking a (legal) nap in a designated rest facility, crossing a few time zones....and the most elusive, getting a pay OVERRIDE to fly it counts.

 

[General Lee]

Comeon Humvee....

Two man 737 down on an AR or over the gulf is a matter of crossing a border....really.

Using HF, etops planning, on some tracks, getting a meal, taking a (legal) nap in a designated rest facility, crossing a few time zones....and the most elusive, getting a pay OVERRIDE to fly it counts.

And what about an ice cream sundae with a CHOICE of toppings????? That right there proves you fly INTL......



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

Mexico and canada dont count....

Damn, we've been calling ourselves (ASA) an international commuter by flying to those two countries plus the islands. Reckon that's why we don't get that chocolate sundae Jenny loves so much.

 

[humveedriver]

Comeon Humvee....

Two man 737 down on an AR or over the gulf is a matter of crossing a border....really.

Using HF, etops planning, on some tracks, getting a meal, taking a (legal) nap in a designated rest facility, crossing a few time zones....and the most elusive, getting a pay OVERRIDE to fly it counts.

Bill, I think your posts are pretty good. But this time you all in the kool aid and don't know the flava!

 

[Flopgut]

Bill, I think your posts are pretty good. But this time you all in the kool aid and don't know the flava!

Seriously, you don't know, what you don't know.

 

[Ex737Driver]

Comeon Humvee....

Two man 737 down on an AR or over the gulf is a matter of crossing a border....really.

Using HF(do it), etops planning(do it), on some tracks(don't do it), getting a meal(do it), taking a (legal) nap in a designated rest facility(don't do it), crossing a few time zones(do it)....and the most elusive, getting a pay OVERRIDE(do it and perdiem override as well) to fly it counts.

We call it faux intl.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Damn, we've been calling ourselves (ASA) an international commuter by flying to those two countries plus the islands. Reckon that's why we don't get that chocolate sundae Jenny loves so much.

No Freebrd...you count, but when you get here and get the ER as a newhire going to Europe...you'll see what I mean.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Bill, I think your posts are pretty good. But this time you all in the kool aid and don't know the flava!

I hear ya Humvee...

In my day, 737s went between Cleveland and Chicago....not the clown car marathon laps they are making into Central america.

Not knocking your deal...just saying what I always thought the words "international flying" meant.

 

[Ex737Driver]

I hear ya Humvee...

In my day, 737s went between Cleveland and Chicago....not the clown car marathon laps they are making into Central america.

Not knocking your deal...just saying what I always thought the words "international flying" meant.

In your day, 737's were good to make CLE to ORD. Although UAL took a 767 and DC10 between CLE and ORD in the 90's.

 

[say again]

Mexico and canada dont count....

I wasn't talking about them. BTW, I don't fly for SWA

 

[ATRCA]

I got no dog in this urinary olympiad but unless you have a bunk on your jet and carry more than 2 pilots you cant say you fly International.

I was going to say something similar. No disrespect to SWA, it's a well run airline. That being said, sorry, if you can reach it in the 737, that's hardly "international" the way most of us think of it. Sure, Mexico is not the US but it's not polar flying either. I flew RJ's to Mexico and the Caribbean 12 years ago. It's not the same flying that I've done at UniCal.

 

[SWA Bubba]

I was going to say something similar. No disrespect to SWA, it's a well run airline. That being said, sorry, if you can reach it in the 737, that's hardly "international" the way most of us think of it. Sure, Mexico is not the US but it's not polar flying either. I flew RJ's to Mexico and the Caribbean 12 years ago. It's not the same flying that I've done at UniCal.

Well, if you guys at Unical don't consider it "international," when flying to Mexico and the Caribbean, then why does Flopgut get so friggin' crazy about us going there from Hobby? Seriously, I think he took several years off of his life, raising his blood pressure like he did with his indignant outrage.

Hell, apparently it's nothing to see... just more "domestic" outta' Hobby... move along now... nothing to talk about here... :0

Bubba

 

[Flopgut]

Well, if you guys at Unical don't consider it "international," when flying to Mexico and the Caribbean, then why does Flopgut get so friggin' crazy about us going there from Hobby? Seriously, I think he took several years off of his life, raising his blood pressure like he did with his indignant outrage.

Hell, apparently it's nothing to see... just more "domestic" outta' Hobby... move along now... nothing to talk about here... :0

Bubba

Because I wanted to see my airplane right next to your airplane, and see who more people chose. But that was less than a sure thing for you guys, so you ran off.

Like I said before, just do the work/flying for a few years, then mouth off. Till then? STFU

 

[SWA Bubba]

Because I wanted to see my airplane right next to your airplane, and see who more people chose. But that was less than a sure thing for you guys, so you ran off.

Awesome! If that's what you want, then c'mon down to Hobby, where we've ALWAYS flown from, and park those shiny Unical jets next to ours. We'll see what happens. Deal?

Like I said before, just do the work/flying for a few years, then mouth off. Till then? STFU

That's exactly what I've been trying to tell you all this time, Flop--STFU about where WE fly to/from, and worry about running your own airline. Glad we're finally on the same sheet of music! I feel so much better about it now...

Bubba

 

[Flopgut]

Awesome! If that's what you want, then c'mon down to Hobby, where we've ALWAYS flown from, and park those shiny Unical jets next to ours. We'll see what happens. Deal?




That's exactly what I've been trying to tell you all this time, Flop--STFU about where WE fly to/from, and worry about running your own airline. Glad we're finally on the same sheet of music! I feel so much better about it now...

Bubba

Run a more responsible business, there won't be anything to say. Did Spirit have to start with a controversial airport or terminal? No. They just do work. Red thinks I'm upset about about this expansion at IAH?! The guy just can't get it thru his head, I think competition is great!!

Even you've admitted I take a regular hiatus from FI. I'd rather not have this conversation right now. But one of your eternally confused co-workers called me out. When I'm sure the behavior of your company is such that the rest of the industry doesn't have to watch out for a backstabbing, I'll stfu.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Run a more responsible business, there won't be anything to say. Did Spirit have to start with a controversial airport or terminal? No. They just do work. Red thinks I'm upset about about this expansion at IAH?! The guy just can't get it thru his head, I think competition is great!!

Even you've admitted I take a regular hiatus from FI. I'd rather not have this conversation right now. But one of your eternally confused co-workers called me out. When I'm sure the behavior of your company is such that the rest of the industry doesn't have to watch out for a backstabbing, I'll stfu.

We both know that it was only a "controversy," because you didn't want us to be able to compete internationally out of Houston with you. Now you've elevated it to a "backstabbing"? That's laughable, and it's hard to imagine you even saying this with a straight face. And if you really believe it, then dude, seriously, you're going to stroke out worrying about this.

And before you give me any crap about flying out of IAH (or that ridiculous "splitting the FIS" nonsense), answer this one question, Flop: how are we supposed to "compete fairly," that is fly internationally out of IAH, when ALL of our domestic customers are at a different airport on the other side of town? That's a serious question, and one that you've dodged every time.

Answer that question, or you can STFU with all your BS, made-up arguments.

Bubba

 

[Flopgut]

And before you give me any crap about flying out of IAH (or that ridiculous "splitting the FIS" nonsense), answer this one question, Flop: how are we supposed to "compete fairly," that is fly internationally out of IAH, when ALL of our domestic customers are at a different airport on the other side of town? That's a serious question, and one that you've dodged every time.

Answer that question, or you can STFU with all your BS, made-up arguments.

Bubba

Decisions are made in life, and you live with the consequences. Some people smoke their whole life, they often die early as a result. Your airline made a (somewhat) shortsighted decision to be at certain airports 40 years ago. Not only did SWA not want to fund the expenses of full service, international airports back then, you wanted to undercut the airlines that were funding it. That sort of decision making should not be rewarded with approval to build an FIS. SWA should have had to move everything to IAH. (It's the same thing in Dallas where an extra effort was made recently to make sure you'll do no international out of Love) Live with your decisions. At the very least you should have been required to build an equal number of public gates at Hobby to the number you wanted exclusively. AND, it would have been entirely appropriate for swa to pay for the unused gates at IAH.

And it's not like this is the end of swa chiseling and grifting. Youre going to have trouble with many more things out of Hobby, including no meaningful access for other airlines. They'll want into Hobby and you're going to use political BS to try and force them to IAH. It's an ongoing pattern that has to be opposed.

 

[Flopgut]

We both know that it was only a "controversy," because you didn't want us to be able to compete internationally out of Houston with you.

Really? Pretty damn sure all anyone complained about was that you weren't willing to do it out of IAH. Show me where my airline is trying to keep Spirit out right now? Your credibility is really starting to slide Bubba All any company has wanted with SWA is a level playing field. SWA was unwilling to go to DFW, then managed to keep the other airlines from coming back into Love. Unwilling to go to IAH, and only building one gate for other airline use at Hobby. See a pattern?

 

[SWA Bubba]

Really? Pretty damn sure all anyone complained about was that you weren't willing to do it out of IAH. Show me where my airline is trying to keep Spirit out right now? Your credibility is really starting to slide Bubba All any company has wanted with SWA is a level playing field. SWA was unwilling to go to DFW, then managed to keep the other airlines from coming back into Love. Unwilling to go to IAH, and only building one gate for other airline use. See a pattern?

BS. Actually, nobody but Unical cares where we fly out of Houston from.

And also BS about Love Field. We never "kept other airlines" from coming back to Love. Just because you keep saying it, doesn't make it true. It's been debunked multiple times.

And seriously, why do you care so much? Many, many American cities have multiple airports, including multiple international airports. Do you need me to name some for you? Why is it you're so insistent on denying Houston that ability? Do you have something against the good people of Houston, and their ability to have a choice of airports? Are you really saying, "screw them; they'll take only what we say, and like it!" Because that's what it seems like. In reality, your whining about Southwest is just that--whining. Whining because you really just don't want competition south of the border from a large competitor. And you know we can't fly international out of IAH when our domestic passengers are in Hobby.

Tell you what, though--lemme help assuage your fears, so you don't have an aneurysm or something:

-- No FIS will be split; IAH will remain unchanged. The Feds will hire more people, and buy more machines. That's what they do.

-- If more demand for international travel arises, the airport will build more gates for them. And this part should excite you, Flop, because there's already talk of just that--building more international gates than the five we're paying for. Hobby authorities are already looking forward to a larger international footprint. That should make you feel better.

So, happy now? Can we get back to running our respective airlines, and quit whining like a little girl now? :0

Bubba

 

[canyonblue]

In my day, 737s went between Cleveland and Chicago....

They still do, on United out of ORD and Southwest out of MDW. Now on Delto you wouldn't get that type of airplane to CLE, it's all Regional Jets out of MSP, DTW, JFK. In my day DC9's flew those routes, nice going Lumberg.