Southwest Window

[Scoot 11]

Let me guess,

You need a brain for that d-bag!

you commute home on an allnighter from BWI Westbound to your home in El Paso on a medical Learjet that sometimes pushes back at 0310am on every other Thursday night? Yeah, and you're a loser.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Stop whacking off on your dads computer, and quit pretending to be a pilot. There's nothing wrong with being a Skywest dispatcher!

 

[PCL_128]

Well i've been at SWA 6 years and I think Wave and Red are smoking crack. It's still a good company and a good job... but it ain't what it used to be. It will take a miracle for a NH to upgrade in under 20 years now. Delta, United, American are all better options if the left seat is the goal. I can say that the right seat at SWA is still better than the left seat at many other places. Time will tell, but the Koolaid at SWA is starting to taste a little sour.

Nice to see someone being honest.

 

[redflyer65]

Let me guess, you commute home on an allnighter from BWI Westbound to your home in El Paso on a medical Learjet that sometimes pushes back at 0310am on every other Thursday night? Yeah, and you're a loser.


Bye Bye---General Lee

I guess if I did that, then I might be. But I don't and it doesn't change the fact that your a poser that adds nothing but insults here.

 

[redflyer65]

Nice to see someone being honest.

Did either one of you actually read Wave's post?

I agree about the upgrade. It would be nice, but it's not necessary for me to make it the bain of my exsistance. Hence, making great money in the right seat and the flexiblity to do other things.....like business opportunities outside of this industry.

Combine returns on a successful business venture with a 200k FO salary and I'm doing better than most Captains. If you have the kind of ego that you HAVE to sit in the left seat, then your mileage may vary. It's not that big of deal to me. Especially as I get closer to premium time in the summer...etc.

To each his own.

 

[hammer2]

Does a FO at SWA really make $200k a year, or is this an exaggeration? Looking at airline central it doesn't add up, but then again ac doesn't show all the extras.

 

[Saluki Dawg]

I've been at WN longer than Red and I don't make 200K. Can it be done? Yes, but you would have to score a lot of Premium and fly a ton to do it.

 

[jonjuan]

I've been at WN longer than Red and I don't make 200K. Can it be done? Yes, but you would have to score a lot of Premium and fly a ton to do it.

Maybe his "successful business venture" is getting payed to post BS on FI.

 

[General Lee]

Well i've been at SWA 6 years and I think Wave and Red are smoking crack. It's still a good company and a good job... but it ain't what it used to be. It will take a miracle for a NH to upgrade in under 20 years now. Delta, United, American are all better options if the left seat is the goal. I can say that the right seat at SWA is still better than the left seat at many other places. Time will tell, but the Koolaid at SWA is starting to taste a little sour.

Ohhhhh snap! Thanks for your reply. Red? Wave? Response please.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[humveedriver]

Does a FO at SWA really make $200k a year, or is this an exaggeration? Looking at airline central it doesn't add up, but then again ac doesn't show all the extras.

Very doable. But flying becomes your life (as does checking open time 3 times a day including 1am) and your life is something you try to fit around your obsession for more trips. The good news is you could still average about 11 days off. 200k at 8 year FO is 133 trips per month (125.30 Hr/trip). The premium trips (1.5x) are mostly available during weekends, holidays and any significant event you planned on your days off. You can work four 3 day trips and pick up a couple of day trips and hover around 105 TFP with about 16 days off. I still work for uncle sam two days a month so that's about all I can handle.

 

[waveflyer]

Well i've been at SWA 6 years and I think Wave and Red are smoking crack. It's still a good company and a good job... but it ain't what it used to be. It will take a miracle for a NH to upgrade in under 20 years now. Delta, United, American are all better options if the left seat is the goal. I can say that the right seat at SWA is still better than the left seat at many other places. Time will tell, but the Koolaid at SWA is starting to taste a little sour.

You mean to tell me there's a RSW pilot who's feeling a little less luv'd since air tran??
Tell me it isn't so.
And guess what FI crowd who's convinced SWA pilots all luv the SLI- he's got a lot of valid sentiments

Doesn't make his 20 year opinion more valid
AND me being optimistic doesn't make mine either-
Time will tell
I'm more worried about where I can enjoy the right now -
Find that place for you and don't sacrifice now anticipating or chasing carrots

 

[redflyer65]

Does a FO at SWA really make $200k a year, or is this an exaggeration? Looking at airline central it doesn't add up, but then again ac doesn't show all the extras.

Yes, it can be done. And no, I don't live on a computer and do very little premium time (still too junior). I'll be just shy of that number this year.

Do I work my ass off? Sure. There's plenty of soft credit around your vacation months (CBA offers overlap drops) and training months. So I typically shoot for 120 on regular months and still have enough days off for other things. If you didn't want to do ANYTHING extra (including VO pull) then you'd probably be in that 150-160k that Wave mentioned in his thread about feeling financially stable.

I think he stated that if you aren't financially stable at 160k, you probably won't be at 230k either. I completely agree. I also save heavily too. It's allowed me to branch out from the industry and make money elsewhere and not be completely dependent on SW.

There are a ton of guys here that don't do anything extra (and I mean nothing) and still get paid well (150-160k) with a HUGE number of days off. I tend to work more and get larger checks. Which by the way, leads to more 401k money, Profit Sharing, Sick Time, etc. To each their own.

 

[redflyer65]

Ohhhhh snap! Thanks for your reply. Red? Wave? Response please.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Genital Lee,

Post #94 was my response to both PFT_128 and On Belay.

Reading comprehension never has been your strong suit.

 

[freightdogfred]

PFT_128

Pot, meet kettle

 

[redflyer65]

Not quite Freight.

I got hired without the type, and PFT_128 actually paid a company so he could have a job.

Would you pay to work at McDonald's?

 

[Nindiri]

Did you have to obtain it before class? If you did, then saying you were hired without it is just a semantic trick.

 

[redflyer65]

Did you have to obtain it before class? If you did, then saying you were hired without it is just a semantic trick.

Huh?

Yea, maybe I should have just walked away from a 6 million dollar career because I didn't have the type, but got the thumbs up (what was I thinking!). I got the type for 5k, wrote 3k off my taxes and was off to the races after getting out of class. Picked up open time at 2nd year pay and that 2k out of my pocket was done it about two months.

What a horrible, horrible move on my part!

Should we not require it? Absolutely, but I don't make the rules.

OR..

Like PFT_128, I should have paid Southwest $25,000 for their job. Big, big difference.

 

[Nindiri]

Don't be obtuse, Redflyer, I never said you should or should not have taken it. I merely pointed out your dishonesty.

 

[redflyer65]

Double post.

 

[redflyer65]

They told me I was HIRED without the type rating Nindiri. Was their a type restriction before class? Sure.

But the point is, I walked into a SW interview WITHOUT the type rating and got hired. You understand that right? Quite being obtuse yourself.

Did PFT_128 walk into Gulfstream without 25k and get hired? I don't know, ask him.

 

[Nindiri]

No, you did not. You couldn't show up to class without it. Why are you so determined to be dishonest here? It's not like it's a big deal that you got a type.

 

[redflyer65]

So when they called and told me I was hired, I wasn't? You new at reading comprehension?

I didn't spend one dime on the interview....but you get that, right?

 

[Nindiri]

No, I comprehend quite well that you were trying to use semantics here, a rather shady debating tactic.

 

[redflyer65]

Ok, so back to the PFT debate. Was it PFT when you got your Multi-Commercial? or PFT to give 25k for a job? Each the same? Type rating the same as the Multi-Commercial, or more along the lines of the Gulfstream deal?

That's how this started down this road...

 

[Nindiri]

I don't care if you PFT'ed, Redflyer. I'm just pointing out that it's dishonest for you to say that you were hired without a type.

 

[PCL_128]

redflyer is a loser. Wasting your time debating with him is pointless.

And I think I paid about $12k, redloser. Stupid thing to do, but 18 years olds sometimes do stupid things. But it's pretty damned hypocritical for some loser who paid for a type rating to get a job to be criticizing someone for PFT. I know you're just insecure, though. You'll get over it. Hopefully.

 

[Nindiri]

He does seem a bit irritable, ranting and raving about his taxes and open time and whatever, as if that had anything to do with type ratings. I must have touched on a nerve.

 

[redflyer65]

redflyer is a loser. Wasting your time debating with him is pointless.

And I think I paid about $12k, redloser. Stupid thing to do, but 18 years olds sometimes do stupid things. But it's pretty damned hypocritical for some loser who paid for a type rating to get a job to be criticizing someone for PFT. I know you're just insecure, though. You'll get over it. Hopefully.

How am I insecure? The funny thing is Toad, your the one that keeps using that term. Makes me wonder if you look back on your past and wonder how it all could have gone so wrong.

Dad paid for your PFT at Gulfstream. I will step up here and give you kudos for admitting that it was wrong and that you were young. Doesn't change what you did, but shows you now know the difference (now).

Maybe you should have worked on that college degree? Delta might have been in your future otherwise.

Got hired at AirTran without the degree, already with an eye toward union work from the stuff you did at Pinnacle. Make no mistake, there were people that couldn't stand you at Pinnacle. The folks at AAI would soon understand why.

You never break out of that $67/hr salary range. The same you got as a CA at Pinnacle because the pay is so bad at AirTran. Again, I give you credit for trying to make it better, but you continue to piss off your colleagues along the way. Basically becoming a parasite on them from the union side. Were you recalled? I can't remember.

You look beyond that top rate of $79/hr as an FO because you see a possible upgrade on the horizon...even though the top CA rate is $152/hr.

Your worst fear would be a purchase by your arch enemy Southwest Airlines. You can't stand SWAPA and Southwest in general. They made ALPA and ALPA carriers look ridiculous with how they've expanded in the face of the RJs and the outsourcing. Especially through 9/11 while the other carriers furloughed and then subsequently went into bankruptcy.

The worst possible thing happened, and at the same time..your local ALPA union was handed their ass after your MEC voted down an offer that was better than the next. Meanwhile, to add insult to injury, SWAPA steps in and stops YOUR Airtran RJ outsourcing immediately because your contract was so bad.

Now, it's time for Dad to step back in and bail your ass out of this disaster with a realtor job selling double wides to rednecks in West Ga. But hey, it's not West Virginia, right?

Maybe a reason for your insecurity instead? Hmm.

Now tell me, why would I be insecure? My background and my future are drastically different than that. SW offers a solid career with a great retirement and my side business is taking off. I'll leave it at that.

Good luck in your new career, I hope it works out well for you and maybe you can branch out into other opportunities when they become available.

But then again, I might have the wrong guy and everything above would be waaay off base.

 

[redflyer65]

He does seem a bit irritable, ranting and raving about his taxes and open time and whatever, as if that had anything to do with type ratings. I must have touched on a nerve.

Touched a nerve?

Not even close. I'm cooler than the otherside of the pillow Nindiri. Cheers.

I am done debating the two biggest losers on FI though....Genital and Toad.

 

[Nindiri]

Touched a nerve?

Not even close. I'm cooler than the otherside of the pillow Nindiri. Cheers.

I am done debating the two biggest losers on FI though....Genital and Toad.

Yeah, I could tell how cool you are in that impressive diatribe above.

 

[redflyer65]

Yeah, I could tell how cool you are in that impressive diatribe above.

Hey, it's Toad. He kind of asked for it. If I were him with his background....I'd keep my mouth shut. But hey, his ego gets the best of him.

Hopefully we can talk about it over beers at the bar sometime. You probably have more stories than I do!