Southwest evaluates -800's

[waveflyer]

More flight attendants is definitely a good thing!

 

[4 Fan Trashcan]

How is replacing a two pilot aircraft with another two pilot aircraft going to decrease the number of pilots? Not to mention it will increase the number of flight attendants on the property.

The 800 carries more people. You need LESS airframes to carry the same or more pax. The underlying assumption is that SWA wants to retire it's old classics fast and add ASM on long-haul or slot-restricted routes. Make sense or clear as mud?

 

[RedDogC130]

More flight attendants is definitely a good thing!

You obviously have not flown on us in awhile. More guy FAs is not a good think...or maybe it is for some

 

[texman]

You obviously have not flown on us in awhile. More guy FAs is not a good think...or maybe it is for some

The whole fa hiring process has changed bro. You will be pleased.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

You obviously have not flown on us in awhile. More guy FAs is not a good think...or maybe it is for some

You obviously don't know him. It's obviously a good thing for him!

 

[SKC]

The underlying assumption is that SWA wants to retire it's old classics fast and add ASM on long-haul or slot-restricted routes. Make sense or clear as mud?

Of course we want to retire the classics when we can. I don't think the retirement is sped up with going to the -800 as they are just replacing -700 orders with -800 orders, so the classics are still parked with the same frequency.

I've not heard a single mention of reducing the fleet, not even implied.

 

[Daddy]

There is an entire lot of 80 or so 300's that has problems and those are the ones we are looking to dump ASAP as well as the 500's which do not make us money

 

[AJWick]

....LBB will be even prouder of their "hometown" airline. LBB tower may even call the new birds "heavies" just to give those SWA guys an ego boost.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Nonstop


MEM - LBB 9:20 -11:20 Nonstop 2hrs Delta 4031*

MEM -LBB 1:35 - 3:35 Nonstop 2hrs Delta 4047*

MEM-LBB 7:40 - 9:45 Nonstop 2hrs 05 Mn Delta 4047*

* All flights operated by Pinnacle Airlines Dba as
Delta connection.

Delta flies to LBB too.

Whooooa....Wait a minute...that another seniority list.
Quit bashing LBB please...at least its WN pilots and WN planes.

 

[redflyer65]

Ha Ha Ha!

Delta at Lubbock...Delta Connection that is....

The General would rather just fly over Lubbock and outsource it to another pilot group, if he worked for Delta that is.

 

[ArtVandalay]

Yeah that's what we need, to jam more people in the airplane. 10lbs of crap in a 2lb bag. Keep stuffing, it's the american way.

 

[nimtz]

The whole fa hiring process has changed bro. You will be pleased.

Yep yesterday in AUS I saw 3 of them waiting for a van. D@MN if they weren't rocking the Dickies Shorts with thigh high socks at over 180 lbs! I was wondering where I could find them later for a little retro 1-2-3 rule fun...:beer:

 

[General Lee]

Ha Ha Ha!

Delta at Lubbock...Delta Connection that is....

The General would rather just fly over Lubbock and outsource it to another pilot group, if he worked for Delta that is.

Say what? Ooooooh Kay. LBB to one of DL's smaller hubs (MEM), and you think it should be a larger aircraft? How about start out on an RJ (to a small city like LBB), and see how it goes? I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with RJs competing directly with 737s or 717s to larger cities, which is just a waste. To smaller cities like LBB, I say give it a go. If it is always full, then throw a larger plane or mainline plane on it. They also fly to McAllen, a city SWA does not fly to (HRL is close, but not the same), which means DL Connection OWNS the MEM to McAllen route! Yippee!! And I guess it also owns the LBB to MEM route (especially since SWA doesn't even go to MEM). You LOSE. Red Flyer, are you bored yet? 5 legs a day getting you down? In 10 years you will be so bored, guaranteed. Enjoy MAF and ISP.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Nonstop


MEM - LBB 9:20 -11:20 Nonstop 2hrs Delta 4031*

MEM -LBB 1:35 - 3:35 Nonstop 2hrs Delta 4047*

MEM-LBB 7:40 - 9:45 Nonstop 2hrs 05 Mn Delta 4047*

* All flights operated by Pinnacle Airlines Dba as
Delta connection.

Delta flies to LBB too.

Whooooa....Wait a minute...that another seniority list.
Quit bashing LBB please...at least its WN pilots and WN planes.

Again, read the above post. I have no problem fishing for new airline routes for mainline planes as long as they don't compete directly with 737s or 717s. If the route is consistantly full, I bet they will upgrade it. Regardless, I won't ever have to fly there, and you might. You lose. Enjoy AMA and CRP.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

Gen-
it's that sellout attitude that had my generation flying DC 84 seat jets 7 legs/day to every major metro in the US- the same attitude that allowed furloughs and outsourcing at the same time.
Get the ******************** off this thread and stop bitching about us until you remotely get your own house in order

 

[GuppyWN]

"Fishing" for new routes? To be replaced by mainline?

I know you don't believe that and try to sell it to us is even worse.

Gup

 

[Bigoober]

Sounds like Delta management.

 

[redflyer65]

It does sound like Delta management.

Say what? Ooooooh Kay. LBB to one of DL's smaller hubs (MEM), and you think it should be a larger aircraft? How about start out on an RJ (to a small city like LBB), and see how it goes? I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with RJs competing directly with 737s or 717s to larger cities, which is just a waste. To smaller cities like LBB, I say give it a go. If it is always full, then throw a larger plane or mainline plane on it. They also fly to McAllen, a city SWA does not fly to (HRL is close, but not the same), which means DL Connection OWNS the MEM to McAllen route! Yippee!! And I guess it also owns the LBB to MEM route (especially since SWA doesn't even go to MEM). You LOSE. Red Flyer, are you bored yet? 5 legs a day getting you down? In 10 years you will be so bored, guaranteed. Enjoy MAF and ISP.


Bye Bye---General Lee

He spends and entire paragraph trying to defend his easy scope relief to all the small cities across America. How's that working out for you General?

Over 750 airframes of RJ feed. I love feeding my own airline with our own airplanes. Enjoy your RJ's. It gets kinda hard to park in JFK and ATL when you can't get to the gate because of your "Regional Feed".

 

[General Lee]

It does sound like Delta management.



He spends and entire paragraph trying to defend his easy scope relief to all the small cities across America. How's that working out for you General?

Over 750 airframes of RJ feed. I love feeding my own airline with our own airplanes. Enjoy your RJ's. It gets kinda hard to park in JFK and ATL when you can't get to the gate because of your "Regional Feed".

Management? Hardly. There is no use putting a mainline plane on a small city pair from DL's smallest hub. I bet DL couldn't fill a DC9 to LBB or MFE from MEM. Would you as management put a DC9 on that route from MEM? If you would, you are "NUTS". IF DL was the only mainline or regional airline into a city, sure, maybe DL could throw a mainline plane on there. But, SWA, CAL, and AA already fly planes into LBB---so an RJ would probably be the best to see if the route could be viable for a mainline plane. And you can look back at all of my posts (I know you already do) and see if I ever stated RJs aren't good for route finding. I have always complained, though, that putting an RJ up against a larger plane (737 or 717) is probably not economically smart. If you think ONLY managment thinks that way, then again you are NUTS. (as your SWA ex CEO used to say)

And 750 RJs? How many do you think DL has parked over the last couple years? Hundreds, and more coming. RA stated more will go in the last conference call. All Freedom Air ERJs, and Comair is slimming down big time. You are WAY off on your numbers, probably because you are spinning from all of the legs you do each trip. Don't you get tired of that? I remember flying at the "commuters" and I was dead tired after a 6 or 7 leg day out of MDW way back when. I bet you just roll your eyes everytime you look at your trip pairings. I look at mine and see ONE leg for the day, and going somewhere fun. I know you wish you could. You probably like going to SAN, but it takes 4 legs to get there, and then you are too tired, and have to get up for another AM trip early the next morning, for 4 more legs to BHM. Yippee. Enjoy that pal, for 20 more years.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

"Fishing" for new routes? To be replaced by mainline?

I know you don't believe that and try to sell it to us is even worse.

Gup

Good ole Flint and Grand Rapids in MI had only RJs flying to them from ATL, but were replaced recently by DC9-50s. Gulfport, MS flights now have more DC9s, and less RJs. Just a few examples for you. Replacing RJs with any mainline flights is GOOD.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[texman]

Management? Hardly. There is no use putting a mainline plane on a small city pair from DL's smallest hub. I bet DL couldn't fill a DC9 to LBB or MFE from MEM. Would you as management put a DC9 on that route from MEM? If you would, you are "NUTS". IF DL was the only mainline or regional airline into a city, sure, maybe DL could throw a mainline plane on there. But, SWA, CAL, and AA already fly planes into LBB---so an RJ would probably be the best to see if the route could be viable for a mainline plane. And you can look back at all of my posts (I know you already do) and see if I ever stated RJs aren't good for route finding. I have always complained, though, that putting an RJ up against a larger plane (737 or 717) is probably not economically smart. If you think ONLY managment thinks that way, then again you are NUTS. (as your SWA ex CEO used to say)

And 750 RJs? How many do you think DL has parked over the last couple years? Hundreds, and more coming. RA stated more will go in the last conference call. All Freedom Air ERJs, and Comair is slimming down big time. You are WAY off on your numbers, probably because you are spinning from all of the legs you do each trip. Don't you get tired of that? I remember flying at the "commuters" and I was dead tired after a 6 or 7 leg day out of MDW way back when. I bet you just roll your eyes everytime you look at your trip pairings. I look at mine and see ONE leg for the day, and going somewhere fun. I know you wish you could. You probably like going to SAN, but it takes 4 legs to get there, and then you are too tired, and have to get up for another AM trip early the next morning, for 4 more legs to BHM. Yippee. Enjoy that pal, for 20 more years.



Bye Bye--General Lee

Hey Gen! How long have you been in the airline industry? Back in the Fractional world some of your ex check airman stated it was your pilot group that started this mess and gave the jets to ComAir. Some Of the old UA guy's said the same. It's old men like you that continue to sell the younger generation down the drain. It will catch up to you when you see Republic take your international flying at half the cost. Karma baby! LOL!

You should put your app in now.