Southwest changing it's "stance" in ATL. HMMMMMM

[Ty Webb]

That's great, honestly- but here's the problem with your . . . . obsession- it creates natural divisions. Because[ union], and [other union] in general, . . . . . - these divisions grow and the pilot/human disease of "I'll be happy when...." occurs. The pilot/human disease of "i make more $$= i am better than...i can stand a little taller around my peers." occurs. "i can look down on them" occurs?? sometimes?
You know it does.

With a few substitutions, sounds a lot like the SLI, to me. . . . :laugh:

 

[madjack]

It's all about the $$ and time off

 

[fr8doggie]

I find this whole argument ridiculous. I know that SWA is a great flying job, one of the best. What makes me laugh is all of the ...Int'l sucks, I never wanted to do anything but fly 737s in the CONUS, I've wanted to be a SWA pilot since I was 2 years old...blah, blah, blah.

Back in the mid-90's I was based in OAK. We had a pretty senior SWA guy who would jump on us a lot. Very nice guy. Was a Captain, black guy who flew BUFF's in his previous life (in case any of you knew him). He used to look at our 74's and MD-11's and sigh. He really wanted to try the long haul flying. It's nice to have the options.

I guess we'll just see how widebody, int'l flying evolves at SWA. If it ever does. It's still one of the best flying jobs around, though. With the exception of FDX, of course. The only thing wrong with FDX is we don't have 747-8's.

Regards,
fr8-

 

[HowardBorden]

What makes me laugh is all of the ...Int'l sucks, I never wanted to do anything but fly 737s in the CONUS, I've wanted to be a SWA pilot since I was 2 years old...blah, blah, blah.

Actually, I don't think international sucks at all. Some of the destinations people talk about sound really nice. The problem for me personally lies in the back side of the clock flying. I flew small plane freight for years, all on the back side of the clock. It really was extremely difficult for me to adjust to it. Actually I never adjusted to it. I was a zombie for 3 years straight and it was unhealthy for me. I know that some folks adjust easily and can go back and forth between nocturnal and the more traditional front side of the clock wake sleep cycles, I'm just not one of them. Of course this was all single pilot operations and domestic flying as well. I understand that it would be an easier experience with a relief crew, but it would also add multiple time zones to the equation and that is hard enough for me to deal with already. I'm already dreading redeye flying arriving at SWA. I will avoid it all costs if my seniority will allow it since I am simply not well suited to that type of operation. So, in answer to your statement: "I never wanted to do anything but fly 737s in the CONUS." It doesn't have to be 737's or CONUS, it just so happens that those two are much more conducive to me remaining on the front side of the clock at work which makes me a much happier and safer pilot.

 

[General Lee]

It's all about the $$ and time off

So says the guy with ONLY domestic flying choices. (Non long haul). Hey, if I'm going to go to the airport, I want to go somewhere I want to go. Maybe you don't feel that way, and if so, that's sad. I enjoy bidding to go places fun, interesting, and somewhere I consider a vacation. It pays well at the same time btw....


Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

maybe you don't feel that way, and if so, that's sad.

Bye bye----general lee

????????



rf

 

[tankerhead]

I hear Sonny and Cher singing through a clock radio.

At least that old movie "Groundhog Day" was funny and ended well. This is just sad and stupid and neverending.

 

[Dash Power]

And, someone like Dash who flew INTL for 9 months at some legacy can't really describe it accurately, primarily because being junior on INTL can be a lot different than being senior.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Oh yeah. I never got a good feel for it. I never flew with senior guys. I never had long overnights. I was never on the backside of the clock. It takes the experience the GL has to be superior in making those types of judgements. I just don't have the experience after 26 years and five airlines to EVER make such a difficult decision about what International flying is like.

I really think you get off being who you are on this forum. What a waste of life. I think I am now pro choice.

 

[General Lee]

Oh yeah. I never got a good feel for it. I never flew with senior guys. I never had long overnights. I was never on the backside of the clock. It takes the experience the GL has to be superior in making those types of judgements. I just don't have the experience after 26 years and five airlines to EVER make such a difficult decision about what International flying is like.

I really think you get off being who you are on this forum. What a waste of life. I think I am now pro choice.

Easy Dash, don't get too upset. Look, you weren't there long enough, end of story. You may have flown some trips, but not the good ones, or you wouldn't have left.

I have flown multiple leg days on a narrowbody though, and I really didn't like that. Way too hard-- more than 3 legs in one day is too tough... When I do bid Capt on what I want (737 first or 320 maybe, then bigger), I will make sure I can hold one or two leg days with long legs. Soooo much easier. But, ill be ready to bid widebody long haul as soon as I can, and with some years having 800 senior guys leaving, it might not be that long.... Ahhhh, that will be really nice....

Also, easy on the personal attacks. This thread has morphed into an analysis on domestic and INTL long haul flying. A FedEx guy and several DL Capts have joined in. Some airlines and air cargo companies have both types, and some do not. That part isn't debatable. "Choice" is never a bad thing. Good day.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

Haha.

You can even feel the arrogance oozing out from underneath Double Breast Blazer. Just makes you look even more neurotic.

Keep talking Gen, it only gets better.

 

[say again]

2 hrs or less in a plane works perfect for me! Where I go? who cares. I find things to do wherever I may end up.

 

[General Lee]

Haha.

You can even feel the arrogance oozing out from underneath Double Breast Blazer. Just makes you look even more neurotic.

Keep talking Gen, it only gets better.

Arrogance? How about DIFFERENCE? You can't stand it. You guys offer very productive trips, no doubt about it. Some people, want to take a nap for 3 hours (while being paid) and eating a sundae on the way to a nice city for a 24 hour layover, that is worth about the same as one of your 10 leg 2 day trips. Arrogance? No, the truth.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

2 hrs or less in a plane works perfect for me! Where I go? who cares. I find things to do wherever I may end up.

You don't care? WHAT??? And you will find something to do..... Do you sing the line from that Metallica song "Where ever I may ROAM.....YEAH! Where ever I may wander, wander......where ever I may ROAM!!" And you only want to be in a plane for 2 hours or LESS? So, you will do 10 legs to equal the same amount of time that I go 2 legs to Venice and back from ATL.....OHHHHHH-kay. But, I get to go to Venice and eat REAL pizza at St Marks Square.(aka Piazza San Marco) You can eat Dominos at the airport Marriot in Buffalo.... But.... You don't care... Good for you bud, good for you. Keep doing that.

Honestly, if you don't really care where you go, you may be burned out, and 20 leg 4 day trips can do that to you. But if you enjoy that, good for you.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[say again]

You don't care? WHAT??? And you will find something to do..... Do you sing the line from that Metallica song "Where ever I may ROAM.....YEAH! Where ever I may wander, wander......where ever I may ROAM!!" And you only want to be in a plane for 2 hours or LESS? So, you will do 10 legs to equal the same amount of time that I go 2 legs to Venice and back from ATL.....OHHHHHH-kay. But, I get to go to Venice and eat REAL pizza at St Marks Square.(aka Piazza San Marco) You can eat Dominos at the airport Marriot in Buffalo.... But.... You don't care... Good for you bud, good for you. Keep doing that.

Honestly, if you don't really care where you go, you may be burned out, and 20 leg 4 day trips can do that to you. But if you enjoy that, good for you.


Bye Bye---General Lee

General, what you fail to realize is that I had the opportunity to go into a larger plane that flies world-wide at my present comp (I've flown to Europe, Africa, and South America at my former company...amazing huh?!?!). I have no desire for that again. Why can't you see it thru your thick skull that some people just don't want to fly long periods of time, back side of the clock? Seriously, why is this so hard for you to comprehend? You must be compensating for some shortfall in your life. Anyway, enjoy your pizza from Italy... I prefer my NY pizza, non-chain crap!

 

[General Lee]

General, what you fail to realize is that I had the opportunity to go into a larger plane that flies world-wide at my present comp (I've flown to Europe, Africa, and South America at my former company...amazing huh?!?!). I have no desire for that again. Why can't you see it thru your thick skull that some people just don't want to fly long periods of time, back side of the clock? Seriously, why is this so hard for you to comprehend? You must be compensating for some shortfall in your life. Anyway, enjoy your pizza from Italy... I prefer my NY pizza, non-chain crap!

Well..........you have the CHOICE to go to a bigger plane, and if you don't, well, that is your choice. That's better than not having a choice. If you previously flew to places like Africa and South America, it may have been an ACMI cargo carrier (?), and that's not exactly like a legacy. Have fun.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

Arrogance? How about DIFFERENCE? You can't stand it. You guys offer very productive trips, no doubt about it. Some people, want to take a nap for 3 hours (while being paid) and eating a sundae on the way to a nice city for a 24 hour layover, that is worth about the same as one of your 10 leg 2 day trips. Arrogance? No, the truth.


Bye Bye---General Lee

You realize that you can't make that widebody envy argument without pissing on the thousands of dalpa pilots who don't fly widebodies?
Our domestic pairings are way better than delta's domestic pairings on average. - so if you piss on us for not having 3 hour naps, and 24 hour layovers, what does that say about how you feel about your own domestic fleet and pilots?

 

[waveflyer]

You don't care? WHAT??? And you will find something to do..... Do you sing the line from that Metallica song "Where ever I may ROAM.....YEAH! Where ever I may wander, wander......where ever I may ROAM!!" And you only want to be in a plane for 2 hours or LESS? So, you will do 10 legs to equal the same amount of time that I go 2 legs to Venice and back from ATL.....OHHHHHH-kay. But, I get to go to Venice and eat REAL pizza at St Marks Square.(aka Piazza San Marco) You can eat Dominos at the airport Marriot in Buffalo.... But.... You don't care... Good for you bud, good for you. Keep doing that.

Honestly, if you don't really care where you go, you may be burned out, and 20 leg 4 day trips can do that to you. But if you enjoy that, good for you.


Bye Bye---General Lee

To some of us, it's about WHO you're with, a lot more than WHERE you are.
I'll take midland with a great crew, over FLL with slam clicker grumps any day.
Especially on the job-
Again, GL, we get that you like your gig-
Good.
But it's not for everyone, just like swa's not for everyone-
For me, once I realized I liked domestic short trips, and being home often, same time zone, SWA was the spot to go. - that's not everybody's ideal. Doesn't have to be. Get it?

I like to fly. I like the 9 leg 3 day with steady sleep patterns. That gives me 1 or 2 landings a day, occasionally 3. But I like to fly. I like the terminal area-
I also came up flying a lot harder schedules, so I find it crazy ridiculous imagining how two major airline pilots at good companies debating who's job is better must look like to the 24 year old version of me slugging it out 7 legs a day in 1900's in an east coast weather system.
That guys is calling me a pu$$y for engaging you at all.

But keep on doing you GL, since we all know you will, and keep chasing that carrot. Or f^cking that chicken. however you want to term it. Maybe one day you'll even be a widebody captain(!) wow...

To the rest- don't get widebody envy. It's incredibly damaging to the profession.

Respect all flyers making their living with an airplane. ALL has its challenges, and every last job flying in aviation has earned respect.

 

[waveflyer]

Well..........you have the CHOICE to go to a bigger plane, and if you don't, well, that is your choice. That's better than not having a choice. If you previously flew to places like Africa and South America, it may have been an ACMI cargo carrier (?), and that's not exactly like a legacy. Have fun.



Bye Bye---General Lee

So again GL, this is fun. You discredit everybody who has done your type of flying. Regional "international" doesnt count if you dont .,, cross an ocean. ACMI doesn't count. Legacy doesn't count if you're junior.
So it really only counts if you're a line holder at a legacy, senior enough to hold nice city layovers-, is that it?

How is that NOT the rat race?

Wonder why dalpa tends to sell out: maybe bc no experience counts unless you're relatively senior on a widebody.

General, actually...stop f^cking" the chicken. You've f^cked it to death. It clucks no longer man.

 

[waveflyer]

Just found an exclusive General Lee interview

http://hw-mobile.worldstarhiphop.co...uhytr5jhytfr56hgtr4567uytfr45hgfre_mobile.mp4

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chicken-********************er

 

[Scoot 11]

I like to fly. I like the 9 leg 3 day with steady sleep patterns. That gives me 1 or 2 landings a day, occasionally 3. But I like to fly. I like the terminal area-

Way too much work.
I'll take the 2 day JFK-LAX if I can't do international.
1 leg out, one leg back.
Every time you take off/land you're increasing your odds for something to go wrong. And the way you guys taxi, those are pretty bad odds.

 

[canyonblue]

Way too much work.
I'll take the 2 day JFK-LAX if I can't do international.
1 leg out, one leg back.
Every time you take off/land you're increasing your odds for something to go wrong. And the way you guys taxi, those are pretty bad odds.

Fu(k man, I can't believe you're a pilot. Grow a pair, flying isn't that scary if you're a capable pilot. Stick to being an F/O, the responsibility is waaay too much for your fragile azz.

 

[StopNTSing]

You guys just need to stop feeding the trolls. Their appetites are insatiable.

 

[dz505]

...stop f^cking" the chicken. You've f^cked it to death. It clucks no longer man.

Quote of the Century!!!

 

[Ty Webb]

GL-

For the love of God, let these guys keep doing the coveted Houston-LaButtocks-LaGarbage-Midway-Tulsa stuff, they earned it.

Don't worry, we AirTran Epsilons will take care of that awful International flying . . . . . Even though the legs are long, they talk funny over there, and their McDonald's don't even have Quarter-Pounders!

Btw, I think I accidentally ate goat once, although it might have been lamb. :laugh:

 

[slaquer5]

GL-

For the love of God, let these guys keep doing the coveted Houston-LaButtocks-LaGarbage-Midway-Tulsa stuff, they earned it.

Don't worry, we AirTran Epsilons will take care of that awful International flying . . . . . Even though the legs are long, they talk funny over there, and their McDonald's don't even have Quarter-Pounders!

Btw, I think I accidentally ate goat once, although it might have been lamb. :laugh:

Are you sure it was not cat?

 

[General Lee]

GL-

For the love of God, let these guys keep doing the coveted Houston-LaButtocks-LaGarbage-Midway-Tulsa stuff, they earned it.

Don't worry, we AirTran Epsilons will take care of that awful International flying . . . . . Even though the legs are long, they talk funny over there, and their McDonald's don't even have Quarter-Pounders!

Btw, I think I accidentally ate goat once, although it might have been lamb. :laugh:

Ty,

Thank Gawd you guys are there to show them the way. I hope the transition goes well for you, and hopefully you don't get too many multiple 5 leg day trips. Hey, they will be productive, no doubt!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

So again GL, this is fun. You discredit everybody who has done your type of flying. Regional "international" doesnt count if you dont .,, cross an ocean. ACMI doesn't count. Legacy doesn't count if you're junior.
So it really only counts if you're a line holder at a legacy, senior enough to hold nice city layovers-, is that it?

How is that NOT the rat race?

Wonder why dalpa tends to sell out: maybe bc no experience counts unless you're relatively senior on a widebody.

General, actually...stop f^cking" the chicken. You've f^cked it to death. It clucks no longer man.

No Wave, wrong again. Long haul is different that your jaunt down to San Juan, multiple crew with rest breaks and longer layovers. And, ACMI is great, but again that's not really the same. Yes, they do long haul flights, but most of them are ad hoc and they don't always know if they will adhere to their schedules. Sometimes they have set runs, and sometimes they don't. (go read the threads for Connie and Southern) FedEx and UPS tend to have set trips, and they don't run 17 days usually either, as many ACMI carriers do. I'm just saying there is a difference, and people should look into that before they apply. You know that. And, as far as what you do with farm animals when you get back to your farm in San Angelo, I don't really want to know.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Ty Webb]

Are you sure it was not cat?

You, sir, obviously have no international experience . . .

. . . . Goat is MUCH gamier than cat.

 

[canyonblue]

Somebody please go start a Delta thread so this moron has another place to go. A thread with the word "Southwest" draws this idiot like a moth to a lightbulb. Honestly, I have never seen a person so obsessed by an airline in my life. Yet another reason I believe this person to be a fraud. More likely a person set up to argue with us just to increase the number of hits on this website. There is no way that an airline pilot would act or talk the way that he does, I've shown his post to Delta pilots and they deny that he works there. Either that, or they wouldn't want to believe it. Way too embarrassing.

 

[madjack]

I am glad DL is doing well, now improve the contract! Then we all get swept up in the rising tide. Just like the good old days...a LCC like SWA should not be the industry leader in pilot compensation for over a decade...something is wrong with this industry...