Southwest announces four new routes from Newark

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Southwest announces four new routes from Newark


By Ben Mutzabaugh, USA TODAY


A Southwest Airlines 737 at a gate at Long Island's MacArthur Airport near Islip, N.Y.


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By Ben Mutzabaugh, USA TODAY​

Southwest Airlines will beef up its presence in Newark Liberty this summer, adding four new nonstop routes on June 5. The carrier will fly three daily round-trip flights to Baltimore/Washington, three to Denver, two to Houston Hobby and two to Phoenix.


Southwest is not yet flying to Newark, but plans to inaugurate service there on March 27 with six daily round-trip flights to Chicago Midway and two to St. Louis. Once the June flights begin, Southwest will operate 18 daily departures from the New Jersey airport.


Southwest acquired 36 landing slots from United and Continental as part of their effort to win regulatory approval for their merger. A slot refers to a takeoff or landing, meaning 36 gives Southwest the option to add 18 daily round-trip flights. Newark is one of just a handful of U.S. airports where flight rights are restricted.

 

[Ex737Driver]

DEN, HOU, & PHX should do well but EWR-BWI.....Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Oh, that's gonna do exceptionally well. They might actualy get the last flight in sometime before the end of 2011.

 

[General Lee]

Have fun with that! EWR the Sewark. Remember AT actually left EWR and sold the slots to CAL, but I guess now all of you can go back and enjoy it! You will really enjoy the arrival from the South, where NY App then gives you a 30 min tour of NJ at 180kts. But hey, YOU WANTED THOSE SLOTS, and NOW YOU GOT UM.

Regardless, YOU GUYS ARE FANTASICALLY COOL, and I MEAN THAT. Have a great one.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[roughneck]

Is the General afraid he will be furloughed again when SWA kicks a little Delta Arse in ATL? I'm smelling a little fear from the boy.

 

[atldc9]

BWI-EWR has a scary 717 sound to it. I thought I was done with that place...

 

[LearLove]

EWR-BWI really? Which US Air route planner did SWA hire?

 

[maxblast72]

EWR-BWI really? Which US Air route planner did SWA hire?

With a convenient connection on to BDA, SJU, AUA, CUN, MBJ, or any of the big Florida cities. Sounds like a winner to me.

 

[Ex737Driver]

With a convenient connection on to BDA, SJU, AUA, CUN, MBJ, or any of the big Florida cities. Sounds like a winner to me.

Not knocking the conection service, just the fact that the paxs will do better walking from EWR to BWI than flying. I don't see this route lasting very long. Anywhere is FL would be good but BWI?

 

[Flyer1015]

And with this new service announcement, Southwest sadly announced the first flights in June from EWR to DEN, HOU, PHX, and BWI have been delayed due to weather and traffic.

 

[Quimby]

And with this new service announcement, Southwest sadly announced the first flights in June from EWR to DEN, HOU, PHX, and BWI have been delayed due to weather and traffic.

That's actually pretty funny. And probably true...

 

[ERfly]

And with this new service announcement, Southwest sadly announced the first flights in June from EWR to DEN, HOU, PHX, and BWI have been delayed due to weather and traffic.

No, the outbounds are ok. Unfortunately, the inbounds are subject to the fact that EWR is in a Ground Stop, update at Thanksgiving.

I, personally, welcome Southwest in EWR. If I need to get up there for any reason, rest assured it will be on you guys first and CAL last. Just remember, when you see the words, "Contact Newark Gate Hold on 132.45 NOW" on your PDC, you're in for a long day.

 

[johnsonrod]

Is the General afraid he will be furloughed again when SWA kicks a little Delta Arse in ATL? I'm smelling a little fear from the boy.

SW kicking arse in ATL? You must not go in there a lot (or at all), but I do, and I park in the D concourse next to some of the AT gates, and those ground people don't look too fast to me. You get what you pay for, and I hope those SW wages will be a huge increase, because they don't look like they could do quick turns. And, when Delta saw Jetblue increasing flights at JFK a few years ago, they dumped a bunch of slow Dash-8s (freedom air) into the system to slow Jetblue down. I wouldn't put it past them to do something like that again. Also, will you get more gates at ATL, or just use the existing ones more? The C and D concourses for Airtran usually look full, so I don't know how much more expansion you can get. I think the General will be watching this with a smile on his face.

 

[slaquer5]

SW kicking arse in ATL? You must not go in there a lot (or at all), but I do, and I park in the D concourse next to some of the AT gates, and those ground people don't look too fast to me. You get what you pay for, and I hope those SW wages will be a huge increase, because they don't look like they could do quick turns. And, when Delta saw Jetblue increasing flights at JFK a few years ago, they dumped a bunch of slow Dash-8s (freedom air) into the system to slow Jetblue down. I wouldn't put it past them to do something like that again. Also, will you get more gates at ATL, or just use the existing ones more? The C and D concourses for Airtran usually look full, so I don't know how much more expansion you can get. I think the General will be watching this with a smile on his face.

That will work well.USAir did that to us in BWI and created getto jet. I do not think SWA even flys into BWI anymore. It is all USair.

 

[dicko]

SW kicking arse in ATL? You must not go in there a lot (or at all), but I do, and I park in the D concourse next to some of the AT gates, and those ground people don't look too fast to me. You get what you pay for, and I hope those SW wages will be a huge increase, because they don't look like they could do quick turns. And, when Delta saw Jetblue increasing flights at JFK a few years ago, they dumped a bunch of slow Dash-8s (freedom air) into the system to slow Jetblue down. I wouldn't put it past them to do something like that again. Also, will you get more gates at ATL, or just use the existing ones more? The C and D concourses for Airtran usually look full, so I don't know how much more expansion you can get. I think the General will be watching this with a smile on his face.

So. You're basing your knowledge of AirTran's operation in ATL on the view out the window of an ERJ ?

Here are the facts. AirTran dropped its flights in ATL to 200(+/-) from 300(+/-) a day. SWA plans to ramp flights up to well over 300 a day. The final number will make AirTrans operation seem modest.

All gates can be converted to 737 gates. This was negotiated with the airport as part of the International terminal deal.

The ramp in ATL has become surprisingly efficient in recent years. Not perfect, but pretty good. I've got a feeling that SWA may be able to improve on that a tad .... Hmmmm ? They have some experience in the business of turning a 737.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

That's super Dicko....

You think? I'll bet you can't just taxi past planes in a 20 plane line.....then again, after a few pizza parties, that will just be a minor nuisance.

 

[dicko]

That's super Dicko....

You think? I'll bet you can't just taxi past planes in a 20 plane line.....then again, after a few pizza parties, that will just be a minor nuisance.

Bill,

I think you missed the point.

Nobody can control the line for takeoff. You can control the time it takes to turn an airplane. DAL can do that ...... Right Bill ?

I'm confused about the pizza thing. Are you offering to buy me dinner ?

 

[Whataburger]

SW kicking arse in ATL? You must not go in there a lot (or at all), but I do, and I park in the D concourse next to some of the AT gates, and those ground people don't look too fast to me. You get what you pay for, and I hope those SW wages will be a huge increase, because they don't look like they could do quick turns. And, when Delta saw Jetblue increasing flights at JFK a few years ago, they dumped a bunch of slow Dash-8s (freedom air) into the system to slow Jetblue down. I wouldn't put it past them to do something like that again. Also, will you get more gates at ATL, or just use the existing ones more? The C and D concourses for Airtran usually look full, so I don't know how much more expansion you can get. I think the General will be watching this with a smile on his face.

AirTran is at 6 flts a day at each gate.
We plan on 10. You do the math.
Delta tried to dump "Song" on JetBlue too. I am not sure that worked out too well.
LaGuardia is not exactly known for its swift operations. We are killing it there!!! We will do our best in ATL too.

 

[boxjockey]

Newark is a d@mned nightmare. Don't you guys get paid double time for every minute you save on a sector? No double time for you out of that cesspool. I HATE EWR. It was good for overtime though!

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[BLUE BAYOU]

I'm pretty sure the Airtran gate agents in ATL are SWA material!!! Just don't ax them to do too much!!!

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

AirTran is at 6 flts a day at each gate.
We plan on 10. You do the math.
Delta tried to dump "Song" on JetBlue too. I am not sure that worked out too well.
LaGuardia is not exactly known for its swift operations. We are killing it there!!! We will do our best in ATL too.

Where is all of your supposed killing in LGA happening? Was it posted in the Herb Turd News or somewhere more reliable and without bias?

Perhaps your on-time rating slipping is because of OTHER airports? Oh well, I can't hate on ya if you think you are "Killing it!"

 

[waveflyer]

Bill- what would you do if you weren't hating on everyone else?

Everyone bow down to king delta!
Aka- king sellouts

 

[JohnQ]

LaGuardia is not exactly known for its swift operations. We are killing it there!!! We will do our best in ATL too.

You're "killing it there"? Can you define that please? Last time I was at LGA SWA was #20 in line just like everyone else (don't think for a nano-second that the NY controllers are going to give you any sort of pass).

I also noticed with a little humor that there was no exaggerated TX twang or southern drawl or "Sast 225" hurriedly mumbled over the radio (that's what most SW pilots typically sound like on the radio; evidently you're too cool to actually pronounce "Southwest" with two syllables).

Welcome to the real world of the big boys. You've seen some of it in MDW for years, and now you'll get the real deal in spades in LGA and EWR. You guys actually run a great outfit, and I look forward to seeing you out there.

 

[roughneck]

"Killing it" would be defined as a 98.3% load factor out of LGA last quarter with LGA having the highest yields in our system. The New York market is dying for SWA service and we will give it to them where we can.

It is no secret that every airline in NY will defend the turf with all of its resources because the public would rather fly SWA than anyone else and it is shown by our load factors and yields in NY. Our nose is under the tent and you can bet the entire camel will be inside soon enough. Every $ we make in NY helps us kick butt in other areas. The are only 2 or 3 major markets left in the US that SWA doesn't own. It is just a matter of time.

Hate all you want but SWA is your worst competitive nightmare and dang it we just won't go away. Merry Christmas and happy New Year.

 

[johnsonrod]

"Killing it" would be defined as a 98.3% load factor out of LGA last quarter with LGA having the highest yields in our system. The New York market is dying for SWA service and we will give it to them where we can.

It is no secret that every airline in NY will defend the turf with all of its resources because the public would rather fly SWA than anyone else and it is shown by our load factors and yields in NY. Our nose is under the tent and you can bet the entire camel will be inside soon enough. Every $ we make in NY helps us kick butt in other areas. The are only 2 or 3 major markets left in the US that SWA doesn't own. It is just a matter of time.

Hate all you want but SWA is your worst competitive nightmare and dang it we just won't go away. Merry Christmas and happy New Year.

Oh brother....... Listen to this guy. You guys are well paid 737 pilots flying regional type schedules. About half of your planes are junky, older 737-300s or -500s. There is no way I will wait to fly for you guys, because once the legacies gain back your type pay in their current or near future contract talks, you guys won't have anything left to brag about. Without the pay advantage, you guys have little else to be desired. Great, you get to stay in one or two timezones during a trip.... So do I, in my RJ, who cares? I want good pay AND variety.

And I think SWA goes up against DL on SLC directly and hasn't put up much of a fight there, or hasn't really expanded much. I think the legacies will defend their hubs just fine mostly. You need to bring down your cockiness just a few notches, pal.

 

[JohnQ]

"Killing it" would be defined as a 98.3% load factor out of LGA last quarter with LGA having the highest yields in our system. The New York market is dying for SWA service and we will give it to them where we can.

It is no secret that every airline in NY will defend the turf with all of its resources because the public would rather fly SWA than anyone else and it is shown by our load factors and yields in NY. Our nose is under the tent and you can bet the entire camel will be inside soon enough. Every $ we make in NY helps us kick butt in other areas. The are only 2 or 3 major markets left in the US that SWA doesn't own. It is just a matter of time.

Hate all you want but SWA is your worst competitive nightmare and dang it we just won't go away. Merry Christmas and happy New Year.

You act like all the other airlines flying out of LGA are flying empty and losing their shorts. We are almost always completely full and make a lot of coin. Here's another news flash: I have no doubt your yields at LGA are the highest in your system, since most of the rest of your system consists of the low-yield customer. I have a good friend who flies a lot to Japan to do some software consulting work. He hates SWA due to the cattle-car mentality and amenities and when he flies domestic goes out of his way not to fly SWA.

That said, you guys run a great outfit and we've had to do better to compete. Just don't get too impressed with yourself. Believe it or not, there are other airlines out there who run good operations and make a lot of $$ as well.

 

[roughneck]

Believe it or not, there are other airlines out there who run good operations and make a lot of $$ as well.

Good operations with a 38 year history of profits? Our low yield high frequency strategy is the only strategy that has returned profits for the last 38 years. I think we are on to something.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Does the Pole up your a$$ come with those 38 years or was that implanted by Herb?

Load Factor doesn't mean squat son......I can fill my planes all day long.....revenue is where its at. Let us know when you get above 70 cities.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Bill- what would you do if you weren't hating on everyone else?

Everyone bow down to king delta!
Aka- king sellouts

Wave is spotting.......step back.....he's emotional!!

 

[redflyer65]

Much less than half of our planes are -300's. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Add to the fact that we own most of our fleet, and that leads to a higher profit. SW 101.

 

[roughneck]

Load Factor doesn't mean squat son......I can fill my planes all day long.....revenue is where its at. Let us know when you get above 70 cities.

You and your domestic partner Biff have a kid? Well I didn't know two guys could have kids so you calling me son is funny but I digress. Our load factors are huge and our yields are huge not to mention we have the highest revenue growth over the past 3 years of all majors.

We have 72 cities today but thanks for asking.