Southwest announces four new routes from Newark

[waveflyer]

Bill- what would you do if you weren't hating on everyone else?

Everyone bow down to king delta!
Aka- king sellouts

 

[JohnQ]

LaGuardia is not exactly known for its swift operations. We are killing it there!!! We will do our best in ATL too.

You're "killing it there"? Can you define that please? Last time I was at LGA SWA was #20 in line just like everyone else (don't think for a nano-second that the NY controllers are going to give you any sort of pass).

I also noticed with a little humor that there was no exaggerated TX twang or southern drawl or "Sast 225" hurriedly mumbled over the radio (that's what most SW pilots typically sound like on the radio; evidently you're too cool to actually pronounce "Southwest" with two syllables).

Welcome to the real world of the big boys. You've seen some of it in MDW for years, and now you'll get the real deal in spades in LGA and EWR. You guys actually run a great outfit, and I look forward to seeing you out there.

 

[roughneck]

"Killing it" would be defined as a 98.3% load factor out of LGA last quarter with LGA having the highest yields in our system. The New York market is dying for SWA service and we will give it to them where we can.

It is no secret that every airline in NY will defend the turf with all of its resources because the public would rather fly SWA than anyone else and it is shown by our load factors and yields in NY. Our nose is under the tent and you can bet the entire camel will be inside soon enough. Every $ we make in NY helps us kick butt in other areas. The are only 2 or 3 major markets left in the US that SWA doesn't own. It is just a matter of time.

Hate all you want but SWA is your worst competitive nightmare and dang it we just won't go away. Merry Christmas and happy New Year.

 

[johnsonrod]

"Killing it" would be defined as a 98.3% load factor out of LGA last quarter with LGA having the highest yields in our system. The New York market is dying for SWA service and we will give it to them where we can.

It is no secret that every airline in NY will defend the turf with all of its resources because the public would rather fly SWA than anyone else and it is shown by our load factors and yields in NY. Our nose is under the tent and you can bet the entire camel will be inside soon enough. Every $ we make in NY helps us kick butt in other areas. The are only 2 or 3 major markets left in the US that SWA doesn't own. It is just a matter of time.

Hate all you want but SWA is your worst competitive nightmare and dang it we just won't go away. Merry Christmas and happy New Year.

Oh brother....... Listen to this guy. You guys are well paid 737 pilots flying regional type schedules. About half of your planes are junky, older 737-300s or -500s. There is no way I will wait to fly for you guys, because once the legacies gain back your type pay in their current or near future contract talks, you guys won't have anything left to brag about. Without the pay advantage, you guys have little else to be desired. Great, you get to stay in one or two timezones during a trip.... So do I, in my RJ, who cares? I want good pay AND variety.

And I think SWA goes up against DL on SLC directly and hasn't put up much of a fight there, or hasn't really expanded much. I think the legacies will defend their hubs just fine mostly. You need to bring down your cockiness just a few notches, pal.

 

[JohnQ]

"Killing it" would be defined as a 98.3% load factor out of LGA last quarter with LGA having the highest yields in our system. The New York market is dying for SWA service and we will give it to them where we can.

It is no secret that every airline in NY will defend the turf with all of its resources because the public would rather fly SWA than anyone else and it is shown by our load factors and yields in NY. Our nose is under the tent and you can bet the entire camel will be inside soon enough. Every $ we make in NY helps us kick butt in other areas. The are only 2 or 3 major markets left in the US that SWA doesn't own. It is just a matter of time.

Hate all you want but SWA is your worst competitive nightmare and dang it we just won't go away. Merry Christmas and happy New Year.

You act like all the other airlines flying out of LGA are flying empty and losing their shorts. We are almost always completely full and make a lot of coin. Here's another news flash: I have no doubt your yields at LGA are the highest in your system, since most of the rest of your system consists of the low-yield customer. I have a good friend who flies a lot to Japan to do some software consulting work. He hates SWA due to the cattle-car mentality and amenities and when he flies domestic goes out of his way not to fly SWA.

That said, you guys run a great outfit and we've had to do better to compete. Just don't get too impressed with yourself. Believe it or not, there are other airlines out there who run good operations and make a lot of $$ as well.

 

[roughneck]

Believe it or not, there are other airlines out there who run good operations and make a lot of $$ as well.

Good operations with a 38 year history of profits? Our low yield high frequency strategy is the only strategy that has returned profits for the last 38 years. I think we are on to something.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Does the Pole up your a$$ come with those 38 years or was that implanted by Herb?

Load Factor doesn't mean squat son......I can fill my planes all day long.....revenue is where its at. Let us know when you get above 70 cities.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Bill- what would you do if you weren't hating on everyone else?

Everyone bow down to king delta!
Aka- king sellouts

Wave is spotting.......step back.....he's emotional!!

 

[redflyer65]

Much less than half of our planes are -300's. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Add to the fact that we own most of our fleet, and that leads to a higher profit. SW 101.

 

[roughneck]

Load Factor doesn't mean squat son......I can fill my planes all day long.....revenue is where its at. Let us know when you get above 70 cities.

You and your domestic partner Biff have a kid? Well I didn't know two guys could have kids so you calling me son is funny but I digress. Our load factors are huge and our yields are huge not to mention we have the highest revenue growth over the past 3 years of all majors.

We have 72 cities today but thanks for asking.

 

[johnsonrod]

Much less than half of our planes are -300's. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Add to the fact that we own most of our fleet, and that leads to a higher profit. SW 101.

Thanks Carl Icahn.......733s and 735s are still old and junky. Good try trying to sidestep the facts, though. At least your AT buddies are bringing nicer 717s to the party. You should thank them. The arbitrator probably will.

 

[ivauir]

Thanks Carl Icahn.......733s and 735s are still old and junky. Good try trying to sidestep the facts, though. At least your AT buddies are bringing nicer 717s to the party. You should thank them. The arbitrator probably will.

The majority of our fleet is -700s.

 

[waveflyer]

No, not spotting billo- and not that emotional- I think delta is a good airline and I would have liked to work for them- it's your union and its makeup that blows- and like to remind you that DALPA has lead the charge to the bottom with all their outsourcing.

What I haven't figured out is why you guys haven't let skywest fly airbuses yet- just put 76 seats in them and give your widebody guys an extra 2%- I'm POSITIVE you'd vote yes-
Thank god there's some new blood who finally understand the damage you guys have done-
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As for Swa- it is what it is, but I like my job and the company- hope it stays that way and I'll help-
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Johnsonrod- not every airline is for everyone- if you don't want the job, don't apply-
But if you're at a regional- it's nutty to me to cross them off your list- your career though

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

That's a level post Wave.....I'll take it like that.

You are wrong....there is a limit on weight so airbuses aren't in the cards. Your timebuilding came from the very same scope limits you protested.....so you're welcome. Have a good career there at SWA.

OBTW, only voted yes for a strike vote and C2K.

psssst.....Keep an eye on those evil RJ pilots who will be flying for you out of MKE......you can blame the AT guys for "caving" and "leading to the bottom". You guys are trying to be like the big guys, so my bets are Gary brings them along. Good Luck and hold the line you RJ Crusader!

 

[say again]

Don't know if it's jealousy, immaturity or what, but many of you guys sound like f-ing babies.

Of all the major airlines I've flown, I would give the best service to American, with Delta being the worst (United not far behind). Saying that, JB and SWA far outshine all majors in that category. BTW- I'm not affiliated with any airline.

 

[SKC]

psssst.....Keep an eye on those evil RJ pilots who will be flying for you out of MKE......you can blame the AT guys for "caving" and "leading to the bottom". You guys are trying to be like the big guys, so my bets are Gary brings them along. Good Luck and hold the line you RJ Crusader!

Not a chance RJs are running for us after the operations are integrated.

 

[SKC]

The majority of our fleet is -700s.

We currently have:
-500 25
-300 172
-700 351

 

[waveflyer]

Bill- I had plenty of "time" (and a furlough) before I ever set foot in an rj- I took the job available- one that DALPA led the charge in giving away- you guys were one of the first groups to allow jets off the property- and you were definitely the last to release even more-

You know my beef Bill- DALPA out of bk released scope to allow CRJ-900's in 2006 for a small raise- proving your senior non-furloughed pilots learned nothing in the race for the bottom-

I have a hard time watching you dig on southwest with your obsolete argument when Swa could really use some help holding the line on pay and scope- our group has been carrying that water for over a decade- but when it was YOUR survival on the line - (and even when it WASNT- ie: 2006!)you were willing and did do everything, right or wrong, shortsighted or not, to right the ship-

 

[Quimby]

Thanks Carl Icahn.......733s and 735s are still old and junky. Good try trying to sidestep the facts, though. At least your AT buddies are bringing nicer 717s to the party. You should thank them. The arbitrator probably will.

So now arbitrators need to take into account how "nice" the airframes are?

Nice try.

 

[PapaWoody]

Thanks Carl Icahn.......733s and 735s are still old and junky. Good try trying to sidestep the facts, though. At least your AT buddies are bringing nicer 717s to the party. You should thank them. The arbitrator probably will.

Ya, those 717's are the bomb. Definitely gonna win you points in arbitration. Of course, this quote from http://www.airliners.net/aircraft-data/stats.main?id=111 might be of interest to the arbitrator also:

[FONT=ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva][FONT=ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva][FONT=ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva]"The 117 seat 717 is the latest development of the popular DC-9/MD-80/MD-90 family and the only Douglas airliner which Boeing (which merged with McDonnell Douglas in 1997) plans to retain in its product line-up. It is designed for high cycle, short range regional [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva][FONT=ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva][FONT=ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva]airline operations.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]"

Regional contract, regional mins, AND regional aircraft. THAT'S what you bring to the table.

PapaWoody