Southwest Airlines schedules its first flights in Memphis

[Tripower455]

So, a 3 day 777 trip from DTW to Beijing , Seoul, or Shanghai worth 28 hours for a 3 day trip is less productive than your trips? Really? I think not.


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That's pretty close to our more productive 3 day trips.

 

[redflyer65]

What percentage of your pilot group are you talking about?
What percentage of their pilot group are they talking about?

You hit the nail on the head.

I've looked over the Delta pairings and the General is trying to quote trips that are a very small sliver of the Delta flying. I'd say he's cherry picking the top paying 5% of the trips to ATTEMPT to make his point.

There are plenty of Delta four days that pay 21. At SW, our rigged minimum 3 day pays 19.5. And that's the minimum (we have plenty that run 22-25). So at SW, we get paid 6.5 minimum where at DL, they have many, many trips that average 5.0-5.8. And I pulled that 5.8 number directly from the General trying to quote a 'productive Delta' trip. Not so productive. Game over.

 

[Tripower455]

You hit the nail on the head.

I've looked over the Delta pairings and the General is trying to quote trips that are a very small sliver of the Delta flying. I'd say he's cherry picking the top paying 5% of the trips to ATTEMPT to make his point.

There are plenty of Delta four days that pay 21. At SW, our rigged minimum 3 day pays 19.5. And that's the minimum (we have plenty that run 22-25). So at SW, we get paid 6.5 minimum where at DL, they have many, many trips that average 5.0-5.8. And I pulled that 5.8 number directly from the General trying to quote a 'productive Delta' trip. Not so productive. Game over.

Don't forget that 19.5 is TFP and not hourly. Once converted to hourly, that 19.5 is a little higher. I do 23-25 tfp 3 days pretty regularly. I had a 26.1 this month. Most of these are 2 legs per day, maybe a 3rd leg on one of the days.

 

[redflyer65]

Don't forget that 19.5 is TFP and not hourly. Once converted to hourly, that 19.5 is a little higher. I do 23-25 tfp 3 days pretty regularly. I had a 26.1 this month. Most of these are 2 legs per day, maybe a 3rd leg on one of the days.

2 leg days Tripower?

Now you did it, the General's head is going to explode because it doesn't mesh with his BS arguement about SW trips. Haha.

 

[Tripower455]

2 leg days Tripower?

Now you did it, the General's head is going to explode because it doesn't mesh with his BS arguement about SW trips. Haha.

LOL.. I rarely do more than 3.

Once in a while, 4 or 5, but only if the rest of the trip is productive.

Oh, and I had my first LBB overnight in years on my last trip. I actually enjoyed it!

 

[waveflyer]

What percentage of your pilot group are you talking about?
What percentage of their pilot group are they talking about?

Bingo-

Their whole career is designed to chase the carrot-

Some trips are great, some are awful- it's a major, so none of it is 8 legs a day bombing around Pennsylvania on 14 hour days

Nobody at SWA is confused that if you're into international flying and belly growing sundaes, that SWA would not be a good fit

What I think you're missing GL is that we all had choices as to what flying career we wanted when we got into it. Many of us have evolved in our opinions as well. Different people have different priorities. I'd never be the friend that tells my friends flying corporate that they should come to SWA- or my friends at regionals even-

I make choices for me, and others make it for them-
I have one friend who's always struggling financially, but just wants to instruct- so she's flying cessnas with students all day out of Tuscon- home every night, dog, pool, and kids - kind of broke, but I get a little jealous of no hotels now and then

To each their own

Let me say it again

To each their own

Please realize that as much as you love those trips- half of what you describe sound awful to me. That's why I came to SWA. This place fits me

Nobody is saying that delta is bad- legacy flying used to be my dream- I found out its not that great...FOR ME. Especially with the sellout factor.

now go ahead and keep f^cking that chicken GL, bc we all know you'll get the last word in

 

[slaquer5]

GL

DAL. Has a cap. How can you fly 120 hr a month ?

 

[General Lee]

You hit the nail on the head.

I've looked over the Delta pairings and the General is trying to quote trips that are a very small sliver of the Delta flying. I'd say he's cherry picking the top paying 5% of the trips to ATTEMPT to make his point.

There are plenty of Delta four days that pay 21. At SW, our rigged minimum 3 day pays 19.5. And that's the minimum (we have plenty that run 22-25). So at SW, we get paid 6.5 minimum where at DL, they have many, many trips that average 5.0-5.8. And I pulled that 5.8 number directly from the General trying to quote a 'productive Delta' trip. Not so productive. Game over.

Red,

I didn't say all if our trips are like the INTL trips on the 777. You are correct, most of the 4 day trips are at least 21 hours (there are some barely 4 days with the last leg an allnighter on the morning of the 4th day worth 19 or 20 hours). There are also some 5 day domestic trips on the 320 and 756(hold outs from the FNWA days). There are 4 day trips worth mid 20's, and 4 days with 4 total legs, all transcons. What I'm trying to point out is there is VARIETY. You can bid different planes, go INTL and do a 12 day trip and then get 26 or whatever days off in a row, or do highly productive 777 3 day trips with 2 legs to Asia worth 28 hours. It's a choice, which some airlines don't really provide. Choice is good. And with huge retirements coming up here (4 years in a row of over 800 leaving in one year), even new hires will have choices.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

GL

DAL. Has a cap. How can you fly 120 hr a month ?

Each category has an average line value, and you can pick up 15 hours above that. But, you can swap to 120. Let's say the average line value is 75 hours for that particular fleet. You can pick up an open time trip that brings you up to 90. (15 above 75). But, you can swap up higher. If I have 90 hours, and I have a turn to San Juan worth 7 hours included, and I see a 21 hour Stuttgart in open time, I can swap the turn for the STR, so 90-7 equals 83, but then add 21 and I now have 104 hours. You can also fly 3 man crew trips back to back, with no 30/7 or 32/7. If you do a 4 man crew (over 12 hours nonstop), you need 48 hours off after you return.

So, you bid 3 Europe 3 day trips and a few one day turns, and then swap those turns for Europe or South America trips that pop up, and you can do very well while still having a good chunk of days off, and you get to eat meals in Europe while watching interesting people....good times.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Data]

41 posts so far in this thread GL. It's coming off as slightly desperate but mostly pathetic. Do you even leave the hotel or do you spend all that time in Venice posting on FI?

 

[General Lee]

41 posts so far in this thread GL. It's coming off as slightly desperate but mostly pathetic. Do you even leave the hotel or do you spend all that time in Venice posting on FI?

Pathetic? Look in the mirror. I answer questions and debate using facts. Also, ATL to Venice starts next month. You resort to slams because you can't contribute anything. But hey, thanks for counting posts, at least you can do that....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Data]

Pathetic? Look in the mirror. I answer questions and debate using facts. Also, ATL to Venice starts next month. You resort to slams because you can't contribute anything. But hey, thanks for counting posts, at least you can do that....


Bye Bye---General Lee

Fap'ing away in the basement again....42.

 

[Hardcorr]

Don't know the difference between the GL and the Tanker Clown. Sad

 

[jonjuan]

So, a 3 day 777 trip from DTW to Beijing , Seoul, or Shanghai worth 28 hours for a 3 day trip is less productive than your trips? Really? I think not.


Bye Bye---General Lee

100 bucks says it will take 18+ years of seniority as an FO to be able to do this trip. How many years total to be able to do this trip as a CA? 27?

 

[General Lee]

100 bucks says it will take 18+ years of seniority as an FO to be able to do this trip. How many years total to be able to do this trip as a CA? 27?

You just lost 100 bucks. It isn't junior, but DTW based 777 pilots are junior to ATL 777 FOs, and 96 and 97 hires can hold them. The Captains are senior also, below 1000 in seniority usually, but hired in 86/87 at DL. You were off by a couple years. No doubt it's senior, but being based in DTW and only FDAL pilots flying the 777 due to the SLI fence still in effect, it's not as senior as it could be. Most ATL 777 Capts are in top 500, and FOs are early 90's hires.


It's still an option for pilots, which many airlines can't offer. There are plenty of other high productivity trips on all fleets, like 744, A330s, 764s, etc.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Don't know the difference between the GL and the Tanker Clown. Sad

Tanker Clown flies for SWA, I've gotten PMs from SWA guys telling me. So, questioning your decision 6 years ago? You probably will for years. It was probably easy at the time, and the ATL CP guy telling you to leave the MD88 may have been correct at the time. These days, I doubt anyone at DL would give you the same advice. Hopefully you didn't get bumped down too far by the AT guys, and hopefully you don't mind lots of legs and mainly domestic flying, for years. Hey, the pay is great, right? You ONLY flew the MD88, right? Hmmm. Good luck.



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[PBRstreetgang]

You guys are arguing with a pimply faced 23 year old virgin living in his moms basement apartment, who's mantitties are ginormous. So by all means keep feeding the troll, he gets his info from the internet and probably hasn't ever been in a plane as a passenger even, much less flown one.

 

[General Lee]

You guys are arguing with a pimply faced 23 year old virgin living in his moms basement apartment, who's mantitties are ginormous. So by all means keep feeding the troll, he gets his info from the internet and probably hasn't ever been in a plane as a passenger even, much less flown one.

PBR,

The big question is, which is it? Layover in Twin Falls or Idaho Falls for you tonight? Will "Uncle" Stan Nonrev out for your 9 hour layover? That's awesome. Awwwwww! You are the hardest working Brasilia FO out there.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

Tanker Clown flies for SWA, I've gotten PMs from SWA guys telling me. So, questioning your decision 6 years ago? You probably will for years. It was probably easy at the time, and the ATL CP guy telling you to leave the MD88 may have been correct at the time. These days, I doubt anyone at DL would give you the same advice. Hopefully you didn't get bumped down too far by the AT guys, and hopefully you don't mind lots of legs and mainly domestic flying, for years. Hey, the pay is great, right? You ONLY flew the MD88, right? Hmmm. Good luck.



Bye Bye---General Lee

The Gen throwing more tomatoes.

Hey it's what he does, says alot about his character.

I have more than a few friends that left Delta that are right around my seniority, and they couldn't be any happier with the move they made.

 

[General Lee]

The Gen throwing more tomatoes.

Hey it's what he does, says alot about his character.

I have more than a few friends that left Delta that are right around my seniority, and they couldn't be any happier with the move they made.

Hey, good ole Hardcrr started it, and I ended it. He made a decision, and he'll have to live with it. He may be happy, or maybe he won't be. Choice is good, except when you make a poor one.

From 2020-2024 there will be over 4000 pilots retiring at DL, in just 5 years. What will the numbers be at SWA during that period? He should have looked at that, and he should have tried something other than the MD88. Oh well.


Bye Bye---General Lee