Southern Hiring

[DHPFLYN]

Do you get the airline miles? Do they pay you during training? Also i would assume the training must be good for the type of flying you do.

Are the hotels pretty nice on the overnights?

Thanks for the information

 

[gringo]

Do you get the airline miles? Do they pay you during training? Also i would assume the training must be good for the type of flying you do.

Are the hotels pretty nice on the overnights?

Thanks for the information

1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! <*snort*>... *ahem*... the training is, shall we say, sufficient enough for you to hopefully not leave a smoking hole in the ground after your first flight. I'm guessing you never flew ACMI. It's the "fire hose" treatment; you'll really learn more while on the road, kind of an OJT thing.

*note- this applies only to the 747 side of the house. The 777 side is more up to date, so you'll likely get better training over there. But I don't really know, cuz I'm flying a 4-holer, not a 2-holer.

Don't get me wrong, the people in the training department are for the most part, outstanding, but you'll spend more time in training learning the systems of an RJ than you will here (or any other ACMI) learning the 747.

4) Yes, the hotels are for the most part quite comfortable. Usually a decent location, breakfast included, gym included, high speed internet included, except for Anchorage, where the Hilton has apparently hooked up their entire hotel to a single 56k modem. It's faster in Ethiopia.

 

[DHPFLYN]

Thanks for the information.

How are your rest areas are on the plane? Also do they do a good job of catering your plane? Enough food and drinks for the long flights and large crews you have?

I applied last week and just got a email from them asking to answer further questions. I guess that is a good thing?

 

[DHPFLYN]

One other thing. Do you DHD on all different airlines? or do they send you on certain carriers? Coach on a Emirates flight is much different than coach on United.

 

[Nate2046]

I applied last week and just got a email from them asking to answer further questions. I guess that is a good thing?

Hey DHP, I got the same e-mail today. When you clicked on the link did you find anything that took you to a new section with additional questions? I didn't see anything obvious so I tried 'update your profile' and found that a couple of sections were blank. I answered those questions but they still show as blank every time I go back to 'update.' I'm still not sure if the e-mail was an invitation to provide more info or an indication that my app was incomplete.

 

[SBD]

Hey DHP, I got the same e-mail today. When you clicked on the link did you find anything that took you to a new section with additional questions? I didn't see anything obvious so I tried 'update your profile' and found that a couple of sections were blank. I answered those questions but they still show as blank every time I go back to 'update.' I'm still not sure if the e-mail was an invitation to provide more info or an indication that my app was incomplete.

Wondering the same thing. Got a call yesterday to update my application/profile but it's just repeating the same steps. Guess I should give them a call today.

Also to the guys at SA now do any of you have any sort of family life? How many days are you on/off.

 

[Nate2046]

Wondering the same thing. Got a call yesterday to update my application/profile but it's just repeating the same steps. Guess I should give them a call today.

Alright, I broke down and bugged them about this question. They confirmed those were the proper steps. Thought I should share before we all deluge them with calls/emails. Best of luck.

 

[ROSWELL41]

How many is Southern looking to hire? Are all newhires supposed to be for the 747 Classic?

 

[3blade]

Any hope of a better schedule in the future? 20 on 10 off is a tough pill to swallow for a father and a husband.

 

[DHPFLYN]

I updated also but everything looked the same to me also. Oh well hope I gave them what they wanted.

 

[gringo]

How are your rest areas are on the plane? Also do they do a good job of catering your plane? Enough food and drinks for the long flights and large crews you have?

The rest areas are typical; 2 or 3 bunks. One airplane has no bunks, only air mattresses. The catering runs the gamut from barely functional (Ethiopia) to outstanding (any military run) with most of them falling somewhere in between. You'll never go hungry on one of our flights.

One other thing. Do you DHD on all different airlines? or do they send you on certain carriers? Coach on a Emirates flight is much different than coach on United.

You deadhead on whatever carrier is the cheapest. It also depends on where you live. If you live in New York, Chicago, Miami, etc etc, you'll literally be flying on every and all airlines. But if you live in say, Daytona, where it's only serviced by one or two major airlines, you'll really get a good opportunity to rack up the miles. On a side note, the Travel department has been fairly good on getting us on the airlines we prefer, as long as the costs are reasonable.

Any hope of a better schedule in the future? 20 on 10 off is a tough pill to swallow for a father and a husband.

The 20/10 schedule is mostly going away. Our trip rig is 3.5 hours a day; at 17 days you would hit guarantee. So pilots were in effect getting paid 10.5 hours of overtime every month, without doing any real flying. This stemmed from a previous comment of mine ("vindictive, child-like behavior") where one of the guys in charge decided "well, since my office group works 20 days a month, my pilot group must as well!".

Luckily, the new CEO realized how... well, let's just say counter-productive that train of thought actually is, and so now the company is striving to get people home in 17 days. Most guys I talk to get home between 15-17 days. Those who live in the cities we service (and are senior enough to hold those lines) get even more time off. The Anchorage guys holding Korean have it good.

 

[SBD]

You say you guys DHD a lot. Does that include foreign countries too. Any chance of say DHD'ing on Uzbek Express/Somali airlines? Don't want to trust my life on some third rate airline.

 

[gringo]

You say you guys DHD a lot. Does that include foreign countries too. Any chance of say DHD'ing on Uzbek Express/Somali airlines? Don't want to trust my life on some third rate airline.

The few guys who have flown Uzbekistan Air (or whatever it's called) said it was a really nice flight. However, we no longer fly into Uzbekistan, so the point is moot. Other than that, we pretty much fly all the 1st tier airlines. United, Delta, AA, KLM, Air Frog, Emirates, Malaysian, Turkish, Lufthansa, Ethiopian, Egypt Air, Quantas, Korean, Asiana, ANA, Southwest... You get the picture.

Most of the time we sit in the back, but people have been known to get upgraded. Delta, AA and United are very good about that.

Hopefully Business Class travel will be a major focal point in our next contract.

 

[3blade]

Thanks for the reply Gringo.

 

[ROSWELL41]

Is all the hiring going to be on the 747 Classic? How much can a first year FO expect to make?

 

[flyprop]

Is all the hiring going to be on the 747 Classic? How much can a first year FO expect to make?

How about second year also...?

 

[gringo]

Is all the hiring going to be on the 747 Classic? How much can a first year FO expect to make?

Website gives also lists minimums for an IRO candidate, so it's possible the company will hire into all three- the Classic, 400 and 777. Nothing official has come down from HQ yet.

How about second year also...?

Our pay scale is listed on APC. Plan on flying guarantee; anything over you should consider as a bonus. Average per diem comes out to about $900 a month. Sometimes more, sometimes less, but usually right around $900-925.

Although our pay rates are pathetically low, we are working on getting them on par with the rest of the industry. We start negotiating our contract in August. And although these things do tend to drag out for extended periods of time, it's my personal belief that the contract will go through much faster, for various reasons already posted elsewhere.

Also, with the projected growth, it's entirely possible that qualified candidates will get to upgrade in less than two years, so that's something to keep in mind, but as with everything else in this industry, I wouldn't plan my next house payment with that.

 

[3blade]

So if you get home after 16 days are you then off for 14 or is it always just 10 off?

 

[gringo]

So if you get home after 16 days are you then off for 14 or is it always just 10 off?

You would be off 14 days then, until the start of your next rotation. If you bid back-to-back days off, you could end up with 24 days (or more) off in a row. Of course, that means you'll eventually have to bid back-to-back again to get on the rotation you prefer (first half or second half of the month off) so you can be gone for 30+ days in a row then.

I've been averaging maybe 12-13 days off a month for the past year. I've had two 30+ day stretches at home as well, followed by long trips overseas.

But for the most part, if you consistently bid the same block of days off, you'll likely get at least 12 days off a month, consecutively.

Of course, this is all subject to change, and does frequently. It's just the nature of the beast.

 

[swordfish]

You would be off 14 days then, until the start of your next rotation. If you bid back-to-back days off, you could end up with 24 days (or more) off in a row. Of course, that means you'll eventually have to bid back-to-back again to get on the rotation you prefer (first half or second half of the month off) so you can be gone for 30+ days in a row then.

I've been averaging maybe 12-13 days off a month for the past year. I've had two 30+ day stretches at home as well, followed by long trips overseas.

But for the most part, if you consistently bid the same block of days off, you'll likely get at least 12 days off a month, consecutively.

Of course, this is all subject to change, and does frequently. It's just the nature of the beast.

gringo you must be management.! nice pipe dream, if this place is so wonderful why is everyone leaving?