Sorry...I've had it!

[Ty Webb]

If I could teach a pig to sing I wouldn't be working in a job where I gots ta pass on da duchy, don't ya know.

Now, maybe, I could teach a pig to swing, but only if the pig knew how to wear tight piggy slacks and had some porcine zodiac medallions. . . . F/A's wouldn't know the difference . . . . all men are pigs to them!

 

[AA717driver]

My friends who are still MD80 CA's at AA are making in the 135k range. The hourly pay rate is $154/hr. and it's a whole lot harder (and not politically correct with 3000 on furlough...) to fly 80-85 hours.

JB has lower rates but has the overtime thing. AirTran pays $153/hr. at the top. Plus, they have a pretty good DC retirement rate. At either company, you can do 80 hours/mo. without spending 17-20 days away from home.

AirTran's DC retirement is in an account that the individual pilots own. Each month, when the checks go out of the office, that money is gone--the company cannot touch it. Far safer than the DB plans remaining in place at AA . (Believe me, if AMR offered to do 14% into the Super Saver each month, with a conversion from the A/B funds, the pilots would be morons not to take it. But, I'll reserve comment on the chances of that happening. )

Plus, I'd take the JB or AT QOL over AMR ANY F'ing day of this millinium. Good luck.TC

 

[DTW320]

My friends who are still MD80 CA's at AA are making in the 135k range. The hourly pay rate is $154/hr. and it's a whole lot harder (and not politically correct with 3000 on furlough...) to fly 80-85 hours.

135k range would be around 73 hours/month. I don't work there but I've heard that they fly more than that.

AirTran's DC retirement is in an account that the individual pilots own. Each month, when the checks go out of the office, that money is gone--the company cannot touch it. Far safer than the DB plans remaining in place at AA . (Believe me, if AMR offered to do 14% into the Super Saver each month, with a conversion from the A/B funds, the pilots would be morons not to take it. But, I'll reserve comment on the chances of that happening. )

I'm aware of how a DC plan works. Again, I don't work there but airlinepilotpay.com says that they have an 11% B-Plan in addition to the A plan. A B-plan is a DC plan....just like at Airtran...

Plus, I'd take the JB or AT QOL over AMR ANY F'ing day of this millinium. Good luck.TC

You must not have ever done any long S. America layovers :blush: (before you say it: I know that the MD80 doesn't go there)

 

[-9Capt]

Quote:AMR, at least, would have to take a hefty paycut on the NB to make less than JB or AirTran pilots.

Not true.

 

[-9Capt]

I hope for your sake that there is a positive corporate culture at Airtran and that agreeing that employees should share in the good times is part of management's mindset...

Yeah, we wish.

 

[DTW320]

Not true.

AMR 757 CA (narrowbody) would have to take an 8% cut to get to Airtran rate and a 16% cut to get to JB rate. AMR 757 FO would have to take over 30% cut to = Airtran or JB FO rates. Guess it depends on your definition of "hefty".

 

[-9Capt]

AMR 757 CA (narrowbody) would have to take an 8% cut to get to Airtran rate and a 16% cut to get to JB rate. AMR 757 FO would have to take over 30% cut to = Airtran or JB FO rates. Guess it depends on your definition of "hefty".

There is a lot more to our pay then what you can get off Airlinepilotcentral.

Admittedly, AirTran doesn't have any 757's on the property, we do however have a payscale for them in our current contract, $174/hr (I assume you are talking about 12yr pay). Same for the Airbus $174/hr.

We also have some of the best rigs in the business. I flew 820hrs in '05 and made 1103 credit hrs for '05 ($150K plus).

I'm certainly not bragging here, no airline pilot flying passengers in the USA has anything to brag about, that's for sure, but Airlinepilotcentral doesn't tell the whole story, just raw numbers.

 

[DTW320]

Geez, that's almost 92 hours/month credit. Very nice!

I flew 685 hrs last year for 920 hrs credit so math-wise it seems like we have very similar rig. Ours is 1 for 2 duty and 1 for 3.5 trip hour credit. For now....

Those are nice 757/320 rates. They look familiar.....ahhh memories :crying:.

 

[-9Capt]

Geez, that's almost 92 hours/month credit. Very nice!.

Yeah, and I'm lazy.

The difference in actual/credit also has a lot to do with the fact that AirTran has a hard time building efficient trips. Most trips have some soft pay, some more than others.

I drop/swap for trips that pay more/fly less every month and end up with an extra 15-20hrs.

 

[737 CAPTAIN]

Ive heard rumours ( nothing confirmed ) that a few of our guys have had problems at NWA too.. but each carrier has there few a@###$e.. Ive been turned down myself a couple of times over the years from different carriers.. but i commute and i GET IT .. you guys are more then welcome on my jumpseat.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

IB6 UB9..looks like ALPA might be helping you out...

It can't hurt....and it is better than nothing....

From the ALPA fast read....

During these times of airline turmoil, airlines may be tempted to place artificial restrictions -- specifically, those that do not involve safety concerns -- on using jumpseats. ALPA strongly disagrees with such restrictions and has always maintained that jumpseats should be off limits to any type of dispute that is not related to safety.

ALPA's jumpseat policy, contained in Section 115 of the ALPA Administrative Manual, speaks directly to this subject: "ALPA supports the Captain's authority to exclude any person other than required crew from the flight deck if, in his opinion, that person's presence will compromise safety.
"Denial of jumpseat privileges as a means of punishing, coercing, or retaliating against other pilot groups or individuals is not supported by ALPA. The Jumpseat and/or Professional Standards Representative appointed by the respective Master Executive Council or governing body should resolve disputes that arise between pilots, airlines, or other unions."
ALPA's president, Capt. Duane Woerth, says, "Using jumpseats to retaliate against an individual, pilot group, or company is not only wrong. It could also result in violations of the Railway Labor Act, if pilots took those actions to harm a company during collective bargaining." Gigantic fines could be levied against a pilot group if its members misused jumpseats in this way.
"The jumpseat is a mutually beneficial tool that helps airlines and pilots by enhancing safety, security, and efficiency," Capt. Woerth noted. "Both parties must guard against any activities that may damage the viability of that invaluable resource."

 

[Palomino]

you assume that anyone gives a crap about Duane Woerth's spewings. i know i don't.

another addition to the thread that won't die.

 

[FN FAL]

you assume that anyone gives a crap about Duane Woerth's spewings. i know i don't.

another addition to the thread that won't die.

I think it's time the government step in and do something about the jumpseat problem. Possibly pass some regulation, like the "Live in the town you work in Act".

 

[Relic01]

Tonight I was denied the jumpseat on an NWA 757, 1/2 full, last flight of the night, because of where I am employeed. Because of this and recent events, and the disrespect towards my fellow employees displayed over the last 15-18 months...many of whom are furloughed from an ALPA carrier, some of whom are furloughed from this ALPA carrier, I will no longer accept an NWA employee on my jumpseat.

No reason to be sorry, just state "I've had it". Remember, this is only one person from a 5000+ pilot group.

 

[Dizel8]

Quote from another board:

"There is a very good chance that offline jumpseat riding on union airlines will be coming to an end, unless you have a union card on top of your JB ID. This has been brewing for a while now, but it will be happening probably in 2007. Expect Delta to be the first one to implement this followed by NWA".

Discuss!