Somebody's Watching Us

[dsee8driver]

Typhoon1244 said
Not me! Crematorium, here I come, baby!

Am I the only person who thinks burying dead people is a little sick? What, are we saving them for later?


I agree with you 110% Ty. I want to be cremated also. My wife says she wants me to cryogenically freeze her for future revival. I told her she better hope I go first cause if she goes I'm collecting insurance, toasting her little azz and taking out a new make and model.

PS. The night of that discussion I almost had to sleep in the couch.

 

[Typhoon1244]

I want to be cremated also. My wife says she wants me to cryogenically freeze her for future revival.

Right, she might have stuff for you to do then!

...if she goes I'm collecting insurance, toasting her little azz and taking out a new make and model. The night of that discussion I almost had to sleep in the couch.

Almost?

 

[brianjohn]

chperplt-
Sorry about that smug remark, BUT...
The way I see it, (I believe in salvation through Jesus Christ, going to heaven, etc...) is that if I'm WRONG, and your right, chperplt, then I have nothing to lose. HOWEVER, if I'm RIGHT, and your wrong, well, you have some problems coming.
You know what though? I HONESTLY don't want it to happen that way for you. I do have enough respect for you to realize that you are very uncomfortable talking about this. Why that is, I don't know. I can't change your heart. Pray for you, yes.
Let's talk about something else then.
Peace my friend

 

[chperplt]

HOWEVER, if I'm RIGHT, and your wrong, well, you have some problems coming. I HONESTLY don't want it to happen that way for you

What problems would that be? Jesus was Jewish and the Jewish people are the chosen people. It's says so in the same book you and Timebuilder like to quote from.

Your statement above is where I get heart burn from. You want to pray for me... You don't want "it" to happen that way for me. I assume by "it", you mean go to hell. First of all, Jewish people can't go to hell. It's says so in the bible. The chosen few only go to heaven. So don't waste your energy praying for me. I think it is I who need to pray for you.

Think what you want to think, believe what you want to believe, just do it by yourself or with people of similar interest. This thread was started because I didn't think this topic belongs on a public message board anymore than it belongs in public schools. We can all agree to disagree.

I've not once tried to convince you why your religion is flawed, and I don't appreciate all the misinterpreted scripture trying to convince me why my religion is wrong.

 

[chperplt]

While the Jews are the "chosen people" of the Old Testatment, they have to trust Christ, a Jewish carpenter while he was here, in order to be saved.What the Bible does say is that you have to trust Him, or perish. Jew OR gentile.

Timebuilder,

So you are admitting that you worship a Jew?

Sometimes a person's objections to Christ are based on having incorrect information. Like a POH, the Bible is the only source when you want to be correct about this.

This is so true, which makes me wonder why on one hand you site loads of scripture to get your point across, but on the other hand admit that your religion revolves around a man of Jewish decent. Jesus was the son of god, right? That must mean than god is Jewish as well... right? How does this fact encompass your religious beliefs?

Your bible says that Jesus was the King of the Jews. Did Mary and Joseph convert on the way to Bethlehem and if so to what since there was no Christians before Christ started preaching.

 

[Timebuilder]

Hope you have some Maalox...

Greetings from Scottsdale, Arizona. This is one of my best trips yet. I did some hiking today, and I'll do some more tomorrow. Great weather, nice people. I saw Phoenix from the top of a mountain today. Neat. Those of you who have no interest in this topic are invited to click out and move on.

What problems would that be? Jesus was Jewish and the Jewish people are the chosen people. It's says so in the same book you and Timebuilder like to quote from.

I'll try and be brief here.

I'm not sure about all of the concern about the Jews here. Although they were "chosen", they rejected both the Law and the Messiah. Conforming to the Law was the first covenant, and they failed to keep the Law. The second covenant was made "live and in person" by the Messiah, Jesus. The Jews are going nowhere, except for the few that place their trust in Jesus. This IS according to the Bible. If you have a passage that suggests to you a contradiction of this, share it here or send me a PM.

First of all, Jewish people can't go to hell. It's says so in the bible. The chosen few only go to heaven. So don't waste your energy praying for me. I think it is I who need to pray for you.

Wrong. The Jewish people only THINK they are not going to hell. The new testament, inspired by the God of Abraham, clearly explains that ONLY those who trust in the Messiah will be saved from the eternal extinction of the spirit. Remember, Jesus is the very same God-the-son that made the covenant with Abraham. Just because the largest portion of the Jewish community doesn't belive it, it doesn't make it right. This shouldn't be a surprise, since many believed Christ WAS the Messiah, and the priests had Him killed because he threatened their position and power.

I've not once tried to convince you why your religion is flawed, and I don't appreciate all the misinterpreted scripture trying to convince me why my religion is wrong.

If you believe in the words of the Torah, then you had better get with the Messiah's program. Talk to Jews for Jesus. They have all of the info you will need, and can show you line by line in the Torah why Jesus is who He says he is. Shalom!

So you are admitting that you worship a Jew?

Jesus was a Jew while he had His earthly ministry. After all, He inspired all of the writing in the Torah. Neither He, nor God the Father, nor God the Holy Spirit are [IJews[/I]. Jews are the descendants of Abram (whom He called Israel) and were "chosen" by God to be the first recipients of His discipline and blessing. The Gentiles inherited this blessing through belief in the Messiah of the Old testatment scripture, Jesus. More than a Man, Jesus is God the Son. It is He, as a person of the triune God, who is worthy of faith and praise, not the identity of His flesh on earth.

...which makes me wonder why on one hand you site loads of scripture to get your point across, but on the other hand admit that your religion revolves around a man of Jewish decent.

Loads of scripture? I answer a few questions and it's LOADS of scripture? Oy, veh! (sorry )

Actually, Christianity revloves around the worship of God, through the person of Christ. Christ did not teach His disciples to practice Jewish customs, although those of them that were so raised, including himself, continued to live as a memeber of the community that HE himself had established with Abram. He existed before Abram was born, and the Jews as a people existed. He exists eternally, so how could he have been a Jew before there WERE Jews? Answer, He is God, and not just one of the people who He chose as the first recipients of the covenant.

Jesus was the son of god, right? That must mean than god is Jewish as well... right? How does this fact encompass your religious beliefs?

No, see above. He could have made the covenant with any people, and could have come to minister to them as the Messiah as a member of any race or creed. His choice is not an indicator that His identity is the same as the people he chose for the covenant.


Once again, I try not to take up space here for this without a question or erroneous statement from someone else.

Anyone can feel free to PM me, and I'll try and help you to understand what this means.

 

[chperplt]

I'm not sure about all of the concern about the Jews here. Although they were "chosen", they rejected both the Law and the Messiah. Conforming to the Law was the first covenant, and they failed to keep the Law. The second covenant was made "live and in person" by the Messiah, Jesus. The Jews are going nowhere, except for the few that place their trust in Jesus. This IS according to the Bible

First of all, you need to get your facts straight. The Jews do believe the Messiah will come. The Messiah has not come yet, and according to the Bible that your bible got it's information from, peace will prevail. As far as I can tell, this has not happened as of yet. You are correct in one thing though, the Messiah will be a Jew.

Wrong. The Jewish people only THINK they are not going to hell. The new testament, inspired by the God of Abraham, clearly explains that ONLY those who trust in the Messiah will be saved from the eternal extinction of the spirit. Remember, Jesus is the very same God-the-son that made the covenant with Abraham. Just because the largest portion of the Jewish community doesn't believe it, it doesn't make it right. This shouldn't be a surprise, since many believed Christ WAS the Messiah, and the priests had Him killed because he threatened their position and power.

Since we already do not accept Jesus as the Messiah, everything you quote from the new testament is purely pretty poetry. According to the Talmud, which is the companion piece of the Torah (which is the first 5 books of the old testament), clearly states that there is no hell, and there is no true evil. We are all born equal and made in gods creation and will ascend to heaven upon our deaths. There is a type of purgatory, however the amount of time is less than a year at best. To me, this is quite a beautiful and enlightening vision of my future as opposed to rotting in your hell. To continue, you believe that people will go to hell if they sin. Since your bible has been translated into several different languages, most recently the king james version, your bible has lost the true meaning of sin. Sin, in the Hebrew translation is "Chet", which means to have missed the mark. This implies that any mistake made can be easily fixed. This is quite different from the fourth or fifth translation you read in your bible.

If you believe in the words of the Torah, then you had better get with the Messiah's program. Talk to Jews for Jesus. They have all of the info you will need, and can show you line by line in the Torah why Jesus is who He says he is. Shalom!

Jews for Jesus is my favorite topic of conversation. They ARE NOT Jews. They are funded by the baptist community. The same people who strategically planned at one of the latest baptist convention to convert every Jew to christianity. How can a true Jew like myself be anything but offended by anyone associated with this agenda.

Jesus was a Jew while he had His earthly ministry. After all, He inspired all of the writing in the Torah. Neither He, nor God the Father, nor God the Holy Spirit are [IJews[/I]. Jews are the descendants of Abram (whom He called Israel) and were "chosen" by God to be the first recipients of His discipline and blessing. The Gentiles inherited this blessing through belief in the Messiah of the Old testatment scripture, Jesus. More than a Man, Jesus is God the Son. It is He, as a person of the triune God, who is worthy of faith and praise, not the identity of His flesh on earth.

Historically, how could he have inspired the Torah, when as I mention before the Torah was the first five books of the old testament, which was written many thousands of years before jesus was born. I'm sure you have read "The Left Behind Series," as I have too. Their information and obvious non exposure to non christians made me laugh, but mostly sad that people like that still exist.

At this point this conversation is over. You can believe what you want to believe. It is obvious to me that you, like most christians, make a life habit to try and convert any non believer. You base your information off of mistranslated text, and empty minded information. My ancestors have met your kind time and time again, through the crusades to the horrific Spanish inquisition, to the viscous progoms to most recently the holocaust. Every time I see a swastika in a public place, I remember that there are people that will forever try to change me or eradicate me and my kind.

Once again, as my original post stated, none of this belongs on this board. Keep it in your church or your home or in your car with like minded people.

Shalom and Happy Passover!

 

[sf3boy]

I fly with flight attendants who are gay. They talk about their encounters in the crew rooms and on the plane. I ask them to refrain from that type of conversation in my presence. I then proceed to get reamed on how it is their right to talk about what ever they darn well please. Freedom of speech. So, I choose not to listen. Maybe some of the people here should choose not to listen if the topic is not what they wish to hear.

I have always found it amusing that those with no religion bash on those who are Christian, but seem to say nothing of ill will to those who are Muslim, Hindu, Satanic, etc....Anyone have thoughts as to the reason. I am clueless.

I have found that freedom of speech is kind of like sexual harrasment. It is only harrasment if it is the wrong type of guy. Freedom of speech is only allowed to a certain percentage of the population.

 

[chperplt]

I have always found it amusing that those with no religion bash on those who are Christian, but seem to say nothing of ill will to those who are Muslim, Hindu, Satanic, etc....Anyone have thoughts as to the reason. I am clueless

You are correct in one thing... You are clueless.

Why is that people who are not christian are assumed to be without religion? We have religion, it's just not your religion.

 

[sf3boy]

I forgot one thing. Since this is an aviation web board, there should only be talk of planes on this site from now on. Those that want to talk about women and drinking, go to the women and drinking website. Don't bring any of that "what is better, a Dodge or a Chevy" crap here. Keep it in your garage where it belongs. I never again want to read about info on where to get a good deal on a camera. That too has no business being brought into an aviation forum.

 

[sf3boy]

chperplt,
Look, I couldn't care less if anyone has religion or what their religion is. I am just curious as to why it is only Christianity that is regarded by some as vile and not any of the other established religions. Thanks for not being able to answer my question, though your condescending tone is quite humorus. Sorry if I offended. Just looking for answers.

 

[SDF2BUF2MCO]

From chper:

"Jews for Jesus is my favorite topic of conversation. They ARE NOT Jews. They are funded by the baptist community. The same people who strategically planned at one of the latest baptist convention to convert every Jew to christianity. How can a true Jew like myself be anything but offended by anyone associated with this agenda."

Chper, this may or may not interest you, here in Orlando there is a ministry called Zion's Hope headed by a gentleman named Marv Rosenthal. A few years ago he headed a ministry based out of South Jersey, Friends of Israel. There is also a small one in St. Louis headed by Marty Zide named Midwest Messianic Center. There are Jewish folks in leadership positions at all these ministries.

sf3boy, ít does seem like freedom of speech can be selective at times.

 

[chperplt]

Chper, this may or may not interest you, here in Orlando there is a ministry called Zion's Hope headed by a gentleman named Marv Rosenthal. A few years ago he headed a ministry based out of South Jersey, Friends of Israel. There is also a small one in St. Louis headed by Marty Zide named Midwest Messianic Center. There are Jewish folks in leadership positions at all these ministries.

The point being, these are not Jews. They may call themselves Jews and have Jewish sounding names, but they are NOT practicing Jews. Any real Jew knows the difference. Again, my statement was about who funds this organization.

sf3boy

Sorry man.. Can't answer your question and I didn't mean to be rude.

 

[mullet]

I am just curious as to why it is only Christianity that is regarded by some as vile and not any of the other established religions. Thanks for not being able to answer my question, though your condescending tone is quite humorus.

I don't regard any religion as vile, I feel religion is a wonderful thing. Whatever you can do to make yourself happier, complete, or fufilled person, be sure and do it.
After reading your post I sat and thought about what you said.
I can honestly say I have never been asked or been judged by any religious sector other than Christians. I myself feel that I am a Christian, many others out there would question that and are more than willing to tell me. The stongest critics that I have met, and the ones that are so passionate about religious discussion are the ones that strayed the furthest. From dependents of Alcohol, drugs, adultery etc...to now have found Jesus and have saved themselves. Now they feel it is there duty to save others. Which I feel is great for those that need saved, but to many, we are in no need of that lifeline. Maybe just not right now?If they feel that Jesus saved them and have seen the light, great but keep that between you and the Lord, not in the cockpit. The ones I have met have moved from one addiction to another. Take if for what it's worth.
Not labeling anyone on this board or trying to start flamebait just simply trying to answer sf3boy question.

 

[metrodriver]

SF3 boy: In many places it is dangerous to your health if you talk about religion. Like those christian idiots (sorry I just don't have a better name for them) that went to Afghanistan during the Taliban regime. After they were discovered they start crying for help. Shouln't have gone their in the first place, they knew the consequences.
Just like muslims in the US. Since they are the minority, talking about it will just receive a lot of flak, and maybe worse depending on who's around them. They keep their beliefs for that reason behind closed doors.
Christians are the majority here, and as such feel that nobody can stop them preaching their beliefs.
I spent several years in northwest Europe, there was a lot of animosity between catholics and protestants (I'm not talking about the british isles here). So much that two neighbouring farmers would not even talk to each other, or help each other. You can be in one town that's catholic, the one 5 miles down the road is protestant. And oh man, if you get a girlfriend who's 'from the other side'.
For this reason alone people there will not talk about it. Also many learned their lessons during WW2. Being known in your community for sending prayers the wrong way turned out to be deadly for millions, not only jews

 

[sf3boy]

cherplt: no offense taken whatsoever.

metrodriver: I agree with ya with those missionary folks that knowingly put themselves in a place that they are not welcome. Not smart at all.

 

[enigma]

Did anyone happen to save this thread before the crash?

regards,
8N

 

[Timebuilder]

I didn't know how to "save" a thread.

It looks like most of it is missing, since there were some nine pages and over 4,000 views shown before the crash...

Apparently, some of the members were interested in our discussion.

Any questions? Feel free.

Note on computer "recovery": I notice that my TT has decreased to an amount from several weeks ago, so we must be looking at a board that is several weeks "old".

 

[metrodriver]

Oh well, maybe time to put this thread to sleep, and talk about planes again
And if you want to find them all back go into your computer under 'find files' and type in TEMPORARY INTERNET FILES , here you'll find every webpage and e-mail you have looked at

 

[enigma]

Oh well, maybe time to put this thread to sleep, and talk about planes again
And if you want to find them all back go into your computer under 'find files' and type in TEMPORARY INTERNET FILES , here you'll find every webpage and e-mail you have looked at

I delete my temporary internet files about once a week. It's an old habit from when I was working with about a 40 meg HD
I also hate to have all those cookies residing there. XP makes it a little harder to get to, but it can be done. Also, some internet security programs automatically delete the files on a predetermined schedule.

regards,
8N