some reported united contract details

[airksk]

Read between the lines. BOTH MECs are telling everyone to vote this down. Until you see a unimous yes vote, it's not even worth considering to vote yes.

I'll glance over the contract but if what I've read here is true, NFW.
6 immovable days off/mo for reserves? That's BS and reason enough to vote it down.

2+30 short call? YGBSM. I guess the CPO will be wanting to talk to me on a regular basis.

A glance is all it takes, it actually gets crappier and crappier the more you look at it.

I'm shocked that this crap TA even made it out for me to look at. Well, not really, but it is a crap TA, no doubt. Count me as a NO

 

[Continental]

The MOU's for the I/E looks good. Don't even need to hold a medical.
Still good for 30 bid cycles. 90 hr plus override, PS0, expense for mileage
And let's not forget 24 hr per diem

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Vote no! ******************** alpa and ******************** ual!

 

[Continental]

What's with the USAir LOA?

System Flying
The Company shall measure and report the total number of mainline available seat miles ("ASMs") scheduled to be operated by US Airways each month under the UA Code. The Company shall not permit the number of mainline ASMs scheduled to be operated by US Airways under the UA Code to exceed forty-one percent (41%) of the mainline ASMs operated by the Company in any rolling twelve (12) month period

 

[flynlyons2]

I will Vote NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, until my fingers bleed! NO!

 

[Jetjockey]

Excuse me waiter...........I believe my retro pay is missing. Sorry...got to send this one back to the kitchen.

 

[Continental]

I need jeff Gordon to wreck this thing

 

[Continental]

Excuse me waiter...........I believe my retro pay is missing. Sorry...got to send this one back to the kitchen.

Jeff or union says your not entitled to it. But you can request energy snacks under the new T/A. So you have that going for ya....which is nice

 

[jonjuan]

If it isn't 100%, the MEC is sending a message to the membership.

Will it pass? Possibly. The POS 64 1/2 year old lcal craptain I flew with last week said he'd vote in favor of anything because he just wanted his retro and didn't care about any other details. (the craphole sellouts aren't limited to one subsidiary; they're in both subsidiaries).
Toss in lcal and lual scabholes with the wheezer geezers and you've got what - 25% of the vote? Add in the idiots who have already spent their retro checks on new swimming pools/cars/etc and you've probably got another 5% of 'yes for anything' voters. So it could pass but I'm not counting on it. Far too many turds in the punchbowl.


As far as pay rates, you guys realize that everyone on lual property is on year 12, right? Compare lual year 12 to lcal year 12. Near zero difference in payrates.

I don't know who you guys are talking to at lual but it's probably the geezers. Ask anyone in the bottom half of the list and they're likely voting no.

Of course jay pierce assured us that he wasn't going to send a TA out to the membership that wouldn't pass so we've got that going for us. :angryfire

Andy, remember, you were convinced age 65 would not happen.

 

[General Lee]

Is there longevity pay? Every FNWA pilot who was furloughed got credit for the years they were out, which they did not have before, after the DL merger and subsequent joint contract.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[abe44]

The vote will not even be close. This TA will pass.

How many guys are retiring in the next few years wondering if they will get anything?

How many soon to be Captains because of the above will be looking at Capt rates and not where they are at currently.

Mark my word....the vote will not be close.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

No credit for furloughed guys. ALPA sold them out.

 

[Stuka Luva]

For the love of ANYTHING!

VOTE NO

 

[Boz]

United Pilot Agreement Overview

UAL MEC - 11/12/2012

​Pay/Compensation/Expenses​​
 Increase Pay Rates 18-36% at Date of Signing (DOS) (match current DAL), then 8.5% increase 1/1/2014; 3% increases Jan 2015, 2016 and 2017
 Improved Rig “M5D”=5 hours pay per Day, (now defined as 0100 to 0059)
 “Add Pay” = Increased incentive pay opportunities
 International Override premium (includes Hawaii) - $6.50/$4.50 per flt. hour
 Min Reserve guarantee 73 hours; with pilot option to increase
 Improved Premium Pay (200% SRM, 225% IA)
 Profit sharing
 Per Diem increases; Laundry expense reimbursement


Pay Rate Increases

Current sUA DOS2017
747/777
22% 45%

767
22% 45%

767/757 –Blended*
21%
----
757
18% 40%

A320
36% 62%

Airbus –Blended*
34%
---

A319
31% 55%


​Current sCO
DOS. 1/1/2017
777/767-400
22% 44%

767-200
1%
---
767 Blended*
6%
---

757-300
16% 37%

757-200, 737 8/900
12% 32%

737 Blended*
18%
---

737-5/700
21% 43%

*Blended rate based on 2012 fleet mix, recalculated monthly. Used for DH, Vaca, Sick, Training
*****
Scope
 UAX Block Hour Ratio restriction based on Narrow Body (NB) block hours
 Cap 50 seat aircraft @ 90% of mainline NB block hours
 No 76 seaters until 2014; current UA book until then
 2014-Cap 70/76 seat RJs at 255; no more than 130 76 seaters
 2016-Cap 76 seaters at 153 but must reduce 70 seaters
 Q400 included in 76 seat count
 Can only go above 153 76 seaters if New Small Narrow Body aircraft added to UAL fleet
 Must park 50 seaters if going above 153 76 seaters
 All 76 seaters downgraded to 70 seats if a single UAL pilot is on furlough
 New Small Narrow Body-we fly it, forces reduction in UAX Block Hour Ratio limit and number of 50 seaters
 90% of Feeder flying must be to/from “hubs”
 80% of Feeder flying must be less than 900 miles
 Maximum 5% Feeder Hub-to-Hub
 Must maintain 90% of Company block hours to Joint Venture (JV) countries
 International JV rules require UA “Metal in the market” (kills Aer Lingus type transactions)
 Successorship protections similar to TPA

*****
Vacation
Years of Service
Vacation Days
14**********1 to 4

21 *****5 to 10

35 *****11 to 24

42***** 25 +

*****
 Vacation Pay at 3.25 per day
 Vacation Credit at 3.25 per day
 Eliminate involuntary vacation
 Keep vacation in new Category if bumped
 Right to slide vacation period +/- 3 days
 Allow for Vacation “forfeiture” (full value rollover) into 401(k) then RHA VEBA
*****
Scheduling
 “Golden Days”-preassigned days off for personal use
 Increase Minimum Days Off in a 31-day bid month to 13 for Reserves
 M5D at DOS, Improve Trip Rig to 1:3.5 @ Operational Merger Date (OMD)+1 yr
 Max monthly Line Production Average (LPA)=84
 Lines will be built using a min/max credit ranges (LPA)
 Deadheading in Econ Plus as a min; Business/First guaranteed if Global
 Deadhead deviation changes
 Day off restoration
 Premium pay for reassignment
 Premium pay for long delays in actual operation
 No Reserve leveling
 Aggressive pickup improvements
 Reserve pilots have one designated domestic moveable day off
Scheduling (continued)
 All reserve pilots awarded long call reserve lines with 13 hour call-out to depart
 All reserve pilots released to trip once assigned
 Short call reserve call-out of 2:30 to report time, with incentive pay to accept & fulfill shorter call-out time; company paid close-in parking in some cases.
 Must use volunteers with 200% pay (Add Pay), even if need to drop conflicting trips, before Inverse Assignment
 Up to 225% pay for Inverse Assignment (Add Pay)
 2 Captains/2 FOs scheduled for flights greater than 16 hours
 Layovers: *****9 hours of rest opportunity in the hotel room
 14 hours = Downtown layover
*****
Vacancy Bidding
 Release from freeze to bid up in Pay Category
 Mandatory backfills for vacancy bids; improved transparency
 Limitations on secondary bumps
 Pay protection for 24 months for cancelled bid positions
 Allow base trades
 Eliminate restrictions on ability to downbid
*****
Training
 Increase training pay and credit to 3.75 hours/ day for training of less than 5 days
 First Class travel to/from recurrent
 Increase training pay to 3 hrs. for training of 5 days or greater, including days off
 Improved protection for pilots who lose landing currency
 Pay for lineholders that attend landings class prior to loss of currency

Moving
 Merger Move: paid move for all vacancies awarded within 24 months of Operational Merger Date regardless of bid award
 Career Move: *****one additional paid move for pilots during their career, regardless of vacancy award
 Paid moves for New Equipment Bases
 Move expenses paid from any location within CONUS (not restricted to distance from old to new domicile)
 Pay 5 hours pay per travel day
*****
Sick Leave
 Increase maximum bank to 1300 hours
 Rapid re-accrual of 7 hours per month after a single use of 255 hours of S/L
 Protect value of soft-time within a pairing
 Convert CAL OJI bank to sick bank at a 1.5:1 ratio
 Advance new hires 60 hours sick bank
*****
Retirement and Insurance
 16% company B/C plan contribution rate
 Medical/Dental plan cost share of 80/20
 Locked-in core Medical/Dental/Vision plans
 Pilots eligible to participate in any Company medical plans offered to other employee groups
 Pre-65 and Post-65 retiree medical plan patterned after current s-UA plans (one year transition options for CAL pilots)
 Establish Reimbursement Health Arrangement account (RHA) to accumulate tax advantage funds to pay for retiree healthcare
 Tax efficient treatment of excess retirement contributions into RHA VEBA
Retirement and Insurance (continued)
*****
 Long Term Disability (LTD) patterned after Continental plan; Cost share % improved from 55/45 to 65/35
 LTD benefit of 50% of monthly earnings up to a maximum of $8,000/mo. tax free
 Coverage for disabilities over 90 days without requirement to be permanently grounded
 Pilot option to preserve 120 hours of Sick time when going to LTD
 Unlimited coverage in the case of cognitive/psychological disorders (subject to automatic medical review). New 12 month substance abuse benefit
 Easier re-entry into plan upon return from leave of absence and continued LTD payments until training commences
 Company to offer Guam-based pilots a global medical plan
*****
*****



*****

 

[145BOSS]

http://www.contract2012.info/

 

[eaglesview]

No credit for furloughed guys. ALPA sold them out.

Credit for furloughed guys is a SLI issue not contractual issue.

 

[wild bill kelso]

No credit for furloughed guys. ALPA sold them out.

Really?
My T/A says in Sec.6 Seniority 7.5, last sentence, Pilots shall receive credit for all time on furlough.

 

[johnsonrod]

Don't let SLIMSACK win!!!! Vote NO!

 

[taxicabdriver]

Like how United only posted the 2017 pay rates, the rates at DOS are much less....DAL -8.5%
Did anyone else notice the paid merger move? Awesome! They will pay for a move no questions asked within 24 months of corporate merger! Sweet!! Never mind that the corporate merger date was Sept. 2010..Doh!

 

[RSRVWINDSURFR]

Double pumping reserves still allowed.
Doctors note required if calling in sick.
NO FAKE DEADHEAD-without permission (yeah right)
2.5 hr. reserve call out.
Only 6 hard days off for reserves

I could go on and on-Why are we giving the company MORE concessions???

This TA is a joke.