some reported united contract details

[General Lee]

I'll take the bait. Currently a 767-400 pays $2/hr more than a 747. So what's wrong with them paying the same in the future? However like Flop said, no one cares what your motivation to vote no is, as long as you do vote no!

I agree. It's not fair to place one plane (744) highest on the totem pole if the CAL guys (who don't have 744s) can't get on it due to a possible fence (5 years at DL). So, give highest pay to 777s and 744s, something both have. I suspect though that UAL has 40 777s and 25 744s, while CAL has FEWER of those (maybe 50 777s, but they are getting 787s). So, to EVEN IT OUT, I suspect CAL threw in their 20 or so 764s. Maybe it's a numbers game? But, that is GREAT that a lot of planes could get TOP PAY. That means more people get top pay, and maybe not as much of a need to upgrade to the largest plane. Everyone wins, including management.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[cal 73]

!!! CAL MEC !!!

Vote this down!! Do not even bring this to us!!

CAL 73 fo iah

 

[Ex737Driver]

ual trip trade rules? Wtfo? Talk about lowering quality of life for both line holders and reserves. Huge hit. Take reserves down to 70 from 76 hours and it now concessionary on top on concessions. Take 2 days of vacation away? More concessions. Piss the hell off. :uzi:

 

[Flopgut]

I agree. It's not fair to place one plane (744) highest on the totem pole if the CAL guys (who don't have 744s) can't get on it due to a possible fence (5 years at DL). So, give highest pay to 777s and 744s, something both have.

Or, let's give top pay to airplane NEITHER airline has!! Post one shows the A380 as the top airplane pay scale... This is just absurd enough to make sense, I'm afraid, and makes me fear the whole damn post is right! This looks exactly like the kind of thing a CAL mgt negotiator would write. God help us. We have a LOT bigger problems than I ever imagined we might at this point. If some of these bulletpoints were accompanied by a HUGE aircraft [mainline] order, or the CAL 50 seat scope clause, or 20% of the company, or full retro, or SOMETHING like that, it might be closer. We've far eclipsed the reasonable call for patience that we have answered. There literally is not one good rumor about this deal. If it is indeed bad, everybody has to go. Recall everyone of them!

 

[Continental]

if it is indeed bad, everybody has to go. Recall everyone of them!

bingo!

 

[KarmaPolice]

What is the logic of DAL minus 8.5%? I thought ours was a slap in the face. You guys should get DAL minus a dollar MINIMUM. RIGHT? Am I missing something?

 

[XJTAv8r]

The TA just passed both MECs. It's now going to be sent out to the pilots for a vote.

 

[Continental]

time to recall those spineless MFers that voted for this.

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

The TA just passed both MECs. It's now going to be sent out to the pilots for a vote.

GD MFer's!!! So does anyone know newhire pay, QOL, upgrade time at Skywest? :angryfire

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

BTW "that other forum" that our union leadership loves to hate is now down, says internal server error. Cyberattack by ALPA?

 

[XJTAv8r]

BTW "that other forum" that our union leadership loves to hate is now down, says internal server error. Cyberattack by ALPA?

I got my info of the CAL P2P forum & sounds like the TA, etc. will be published shortly via blastmail or the website. Yeah, Calforums keeps crashing.

 

[RSRVWINDSURFR]

F-ing sellouts!!!!! LC170 reps are the biggest couple of HYPOCRITES I have ever seen. 4 cornerstones my a$$. Hopefully the majority of the pilot group realizes they have a HELL of a lot more to lose voting this POS in than our reps do. I'm sure all the LEC yes votes have management jobs waiting for them. Disgusting.

 

[densoo]

BTW "that other forum" that our union leadership loves to hate is now down, says internal server error. Cyberattack by ALPA?

This is very common during "high news" periods. Lots of people trying to get on it exceed the server's capacity.

 

[XJTAv8r]

MEC vote results:

7-4 CAL
12-3 UAL

 

[KSwift]

Unbelievable. Just vote no

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Wait for details all. Then vote your concious

 

[densoo]

Then vote your concious

Unlike how the MEC voted!

 

[Ex737Driver]

The ual mec has got more than Jp to worry. Bunch of two-faced, blame-game, circle-jerkers with Jh rubbing his out the fastest. 3 in a row now for those tools. Now just as bad as the cal mec. Pathetic.

 

[XJTAv8r]

The TA details are out, but no way to attach a PDF file to this forum.

 

[XJTAv8r]

Full details with a CAL/UAL ALPA login: http://www.unitedpilotagreement.com/

 

[Fliteidol]

Wait for details all. Then vote your concious[/QUO

I prefer voting my conscience whilst concious.

 

[jonjuan]

Wait for the clowns to come out of the closet and spout the "time value of money" on a sub standard contract (like Gen lee did).

 

[007]

It'll pass, 63%...the old farts want their retro.

 

[ForgedBlade]

Looks like all the infotmation that "leaked" was pretty much spot-on. The TA blows.

Just say NO.

 

[RSRVWINDSURFR]

SCOPE section is completely unacceptable.

 

[list2002]

everybody has to go. Recall everyone of them!

+1

 

[Crucianpilot]

4 years and this is the garbage they come up with. UFB!

 

[goahead]

Did I do the math right on the pay rates???? $20 less on average less than DAL???

 

[nimtz]

F-ing sellouts!!!!! LC170 reps are the biggest couple of HYPOCRITES I have ever seen. 4 cornerstones my a$$. Hopefully the majority of the pilot group realizes they have a HELL of a lot more to lose voting this POS in than our reps do. I'm sure all the LEC yes votes have management jobs waiting for them. Disgusting.

JP is like Emperor Palpatine when it comes to make JB bow to him. I'm starting to believe the urban legend that bad evidence from south of the border really does exist. Anyone remember the days when Jabba the Hut blabbered on and on about trying to become Rick Dubinsky. He just voted for DAL less while BOHICAing on scope just as Admiral Moak hoped. What a disgrace!

 

[eaglesview]

I'll take the bait. Currently a 767-400 pays $2/hr more than a 747. So what's wrong with them paying the same in the future? However like Flop said, no one cares what your motivation to vote no is, as long as you do vote no!

Why look backwards. Who cares what a/c paid in the past. By banding do you think the company raised the 767 rate or lowered the 747 rate??? After the merger the higher paid airplane should be open for bid for any pilots. Why would we want to lower the pay on the biggest airplane on the property.

It is extremely narrow minded to simply look at payrates on any pilot groups contract and not look at the whole thing. Banding is a mistake.

On a comical note this company, since the merger, can't get two paychecks correct in a row now, through in different rates for different models along with the blended rate for DH....no chance they can figure it out.