So what is the netjets story?

[av8orboy]

I can't search through all these threads.... What is the story with the contract, the pay, the duty?

 

[psysicx]

One word SUCKS.

 

[av8orboy]

Well that helps.

 

[BrnJetFuel]

Really...IT SUCKS! Troll and Dispatcher are obviously stuck in CMH and know that Columbus is such a hole and that they aren't likely going to find another Dispatch job for minimum wage like they have now...so they do the bidding of the company and try to muster up as much of a company smile as they can in hopes pilots will apply at NJA faster than the vacuum's left by those fleeing. Afterall they spend a few weeks getting certified and if NJA closes it's doors or reduces the work force, it's off to working at the Limited or Budwieser for them.

NJA is a place that had a chance gone bad. Management doesn't care about customer service and they are willing to throw the baby out with the bath water. Really a shame because there used to be a number of pilots that would have wanted to see this place succeed. NetJets bought a couple thousand pilots anxious to see the planes end up with respectable corporate outfits who would on day one pay double what most of the senior pilots make now. Not much to lose anymore and much more to gain. They either pull their heads out of thier ahrses and dump the ego trip or this place is dust.

 

[FamilyGuy]

av8orboy - bottom line, if you were to go through all the NetJets threads, is that the company, benefits, work environment, work rules, etc are good. The one downside is that Pay is low. The pilots have a legitimate complaint since the contract has been amendable since 2001.

Hopefully the company and the pilots can reach an amicable solution in the near future as it is overdue.

 

[cmhslave]

wow brn

 

[rettofly]

Attrition

.....in hopes pilots will apply at NJA faster than the vacuum's left by those fleeing.QUOTE]

Is the attrition list growing ever more quickly?

 

[linder]

.....in hopes pilots will apply at NJA faster than the vacuum's left by those fleeing.QUOTE]

Is the attrition list growing ever more quickly?

68 so far this year. High of 13 in January down to 5 in August.

 

[jtf]

Anyone know what the domiciles are going to be under the new contract if it ever happens? I've heard that all the newbies (hired after any new contract) will have only a handfull of choices until they hold enough seniority.

 

[dsptchrnja]

I can't search through all these threads.... What is the story with the contract, the pay, the duty?

Don't bother coming to this board anymore if you are looking for balanced and objective information for NJA. It has been taken over by about a dozen or two disgruntled pilots who are angry with the company.

Granted, the negotiations have gone on too long and everyone is ready for it to be overwith. By the way, this board is not representative of the work environment at NJA. The anonymity tends to get people carried away. We don't engage in "these" debates at work. I have yet to run into a disrespectful pilot or any other employee who carries on the way you see on this board. It's hard work for sure, and that can get people discouraged and worn out when they don't feel they are being compensated fairly.

 

[ThinAir]

Don't bother coming to this board anymore if you are looking for balanced and objective information for NJA. It has been taken over by about a dozen or two disgruntled pilots who are angry with the company.

Granted, the negotiations have gone on too long and everyone is ready for it to be overwith. By the way, this board is not representative of the work environment at NJA. The anonymity tends to get people carried away. We don't engage in "these" debates at work. I have yet to run into a disrespectful pilot or any other employee who carries on the way you see on this board. It's hard work for sure, and that can get people discouraged and worn out when they don't feel they are being compensated fairly.

This Board is an exact representation of what the company is like. The fact that NJA can't hire anyone proves the point.

In a feeble attempt to salvage the reputation of NJA, say what you need to say. The fact of the matter... this company will no longer be in existence 24 months from now unless the inept management is removed.

CMH is run by nothing more than a bunch of snot-nosed kids that have no business nor the training/experience in running a multi-billion dollar operation. NJA had a unique formula to make billions of dollars and they threw it all away.

 

[dsptchrnja]

More doom and gloom from the clueless arm-chair quarterbacks. Get your facts straight - you believe too much of what you read on this board.

 

[Diesel]

Kind of funny Dispatcher is talking about an arm chair qb.

who's the line pilot here?

 

[DO-82 driver]

I will say that there were more than 300 pilots today taking part in informational picketing throughout the country. A number of owners were very interrested in the cause a few even stoppped and spoke to the spokesmen......

Its wasn't the first time they have seen the picketers and it won't be the last.

I'd say there is alot more than a "few" disgruntled pilots out there......

 

[Diesel]

that's why i put the 300+

ciao

 

[av8orboy]

This Board is an exact representation of what the company is like. The fact that NJA can't hire anyone proves the point.

Well that's pretty sad. I wish you guys luck.

 

[FAcFriend]

Dont hold your breath for a new contract any time soon. The Teamsters want scope to include NJI regardless of the pay package, schedule etc.

 

[x402]

Dont hold your breath for a new contract any time soon. The Teamsters want scope to include NJI regardless of the pay package, schedule etc.

Let's be accurate, The Pilots want NJI dealt with in scope. OUR negotiators are working from surveys from the pilot group. OVERWHELMING surveys. We are the TEAMSTERS not some annonymous group you can try to hang your fears on.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Let's be accurate, The Pilots want NJI dealt with in scope. OUR negotiators are working from surveys from the pilot group. OVERWHELMING surveys. We are the TEAMSTERS not some annonymous group you can try to hang your fears on.

Yeah, that sounds like a good idea....lets take the happy, content group of pilots that consistently performs at a higher level and force them into the unhappy group of pilots that is trying to find every 'legal' excuse in the book to not work...that makes a lot of sense.

Why is it any surprise that the company would balk at this?

Good thing I'm not in charge....I'd just shut down NJA and expand NJI. Yes, it would be painful, but so is appeasement...

and it ultimately would just give this group of malcontents even more power...

Is the company trying to do this? No...they keep offering new aircraft types to NJA, but that doesnt seem to satisfy the union's thirst....

 

[Hawkered]

Family Guy

First of all, some of us are very productive, despite your assertions about the coercive behavior of the union. Secondly, we're not all a bunch of malcontents.

This has been a very trying time for the company the pilot group and even management trying to maintain a proactive and motivated workforce to deliver a quality on-time product.

Remember, we appreciate your obvious conviction, and even the passion that you bring to your points of view. This does not abrogate you of your responsibilities to choose words wisely and not do more harm than good with sweeping generalisations.

Some of us can contain our emotions, display promptness and professionalism in our presentation and show understanding for the pendulium of mood swings that we are seeing right now.

You should be one of these very people!

 

[FamilyGuy]

Family Guy

First of all, some of us are very productive, despite your assertions about the coercive behavior of the union. Secondly, we're not all a bunch of malcontents.

This has been a very trying time for the company the pilot group and even management trying to maintain a proactive and motivated workforce to deliver a quality on-time product.

Remember, we appreciate your obvious conviction, and even the passion that you bring to your points of view. This does not abrogate you of your responsibilities to choose words wisely and not do more harm than good with sweeping generalisations.

Some of us can contain our emotions, display promptness and professionalism in our presentation and show understanding for the pendulium of mood swings that we are seeing right now.

You should be one of these very people!

As always, you bring up a good point Hawker.

You're right, I know many of our pilots, and can vouch for the fact that they are dedicated and very productive. And from my perspective it is a small group of malcontents.

But your point does make me wonder.... where are the dedicated and productive pilots (that we both know are out there) and why are they not rebutting some of the assertions on this board?

Is taking over NJI something that "an overwhelming majority" of NJA pilots want? or is this simply posturing by the union?

As we both know, this is a very sensitive topic with the company, and if the union is intent on pushing the subject, it wouldnt surprise me to see Buffett sell off NJA and work on expanding NJI. Is this something that the majority of NJA pilots want to see?

And I'll do my best to avoid those sweeping generalizations in the future.

I'd also like to see some rebuttals to the sweeping generalizations from the ardent union supporters if their points are not an accurate representation of the majority of the pilots. Otherwise, we are lead to believe that the generalizations are accurate.

 

[TurboJetCpt]

...they keep offering new aircraft types to NJA, but that doesnt seem to satisfy the union's thirst....

This statement makes NO sense. It shows BLATANTLY what you DON'T know ! The insinuation that the Netjet pilots just want to FLY those pretty gulfstreams is absolutely idiotic. It's all about SCOPE, look it up braniac.

 

[Diesel]

you can't shut down nja and grow nji. It's called scope. Look it up.

That's what we are fighting for. Without scope we have nothing.

 

[FamilyGuy]

This statement makes NO sense. It shows BLATANTLY what you DON'T know ! The insinuation that the Netjet pilots just want to FLY those pretty gulfstreams is absolutely idiotic. It's all about SCOPE, look it up braniac.

you can't shut down nja and grow nji. It's called scope. Look it up.

That's what we are fighting for. Without scope we have nothing.

Tell me I'm wrong....

Tell me you dont want to force NJI pilots into the union.

 

[Diesel]

Sure i want the NJI guys under our umbrella. I want the planes and the pilots. I want to ensure my future by making sure the company can only use NJA pilots to fly any trip. It's called scope. I want to make sure we have a lock tight one.

 

[Starman]

68 so far this year. High of 13 in January down to 5 in August.

Latest numbers from our board - 73 have left this year. New hires so far - 238. Net increase of 165. They've stated they needed to have a gain of 400-500 this year? Not a chance unless they decide to get the contract done..

 

[G4dude]

Sure i want the NJI guys under our umbrella. I want the planes and the pilots. I want to ensure my future by making sure the company can only use NJA pilots to fly any trip. It's called scope. I want to make sure we have a lock tight one.

It is called force, coercion, strongarm tactics, immoral. The union morons are not content to make their own workplace sullen and underproductive, they want to suck us NJI folks into the vortex. Disgusting. I will be proud and pleased to help Santulli break this rediculous union any way I can, and virtually all my colleagues at NJI agree with me.

 

[h25b]

It is called force, coercion, strongarm tactics, immoral. The union morons are not content to make their own workplace sullen and underproductive, they want to suck us NJI folks into the vortex. Disgusting. I will be proud and pleased to help Santulli break this rediculous union any way I can, and virtually all my colleagues at NJI agree with me.

I overheard one of these union gems the other day at a Signature... They were sitting in the flight planning room talking about the picketing and whether or not they would be able to attend. Then they proceded to go on and on about how horrible the company was and why management leadership were such idiots. Not five minutes later one of them starts talking about some type of storm aid/assistance the company was offering. Then gets on the phone and was calling about how he could get help for some minor damage that his home got.

Doesn't sounds like they're all that evil to me...

 

[DO-82 driver]

G4Dude......I plan on sitting in a Gulfstream when this is all said and done. The company is going to sacrifice the Gulfstreams to get this contract done....Its just going to cost them too much money to keep delaying over NJI.... not to mention that you really have so say over what they do with your future.....I'll be just another bargaining chip to them.

I promise the merge will be as a fair...... I'm sure your management will look after you then.

 

[TurboJetCpt]

Tell me I'm wrong....

Tell me you dont want to force NJI pilots into the union.

Hey stupid ass. Didn't we just say that ? You are quite the moron.