So what is the netjets story?

[FamilyGuy]

Family Guy

First of all, some of us are very productive, despite your assertions about the coercive behavior of the union. Secondly, we're not all a bunch of malcontents.

This has been a very trying time for the company the pilot group and even management trying to maintain a proactive and motivated workforce to deliver a quality on-time product.

Remember, we appreciate your obvious conviction, and even the passion that you bring to your points of view. This does not abrogate you of your responsibilities to choose words wisely and not do more harm than good with sweeping generalisations.

Some of us can contain our emotions, display promptness and professionalism in our presentation and show understanding for the pendulium of mood swings that we are seeing right now.

You should be one of these very people!

As always, you bring up a good point Hawker.

You're right, I know many of our pilots, and can vouch for the fact that they are dedicated and very productive. And from my perspective it is a small group of malcontents.

But your point does make me wonder.... where are the dedicated and productive pilots (that we both know are out there) and why are they not rebutting some of the assertions on this board?

Is taking over NJI something that "an overwhelming majority" of NJA pilots want? or is this simply posturing by the union?

As we both know, this is a very sensitive topic with the company, and if the union is intent on pushing the subject, it wouldnt surprise me to see Buffett sell off NJA and work on expanding NJI. Is this something that the majority of NJA pilots want to see?

And I'll do my best to avoid those sweeping generalizations in the future.

I'd also like to see some rebuttals to the sweeping generalizations from the ardent union supporters if their points are not an accurate representation of the majority of the pilots. Otherwise, we are lead to believe that the generalizations are accurate.

 

[TurboJetCpt]

...they keep offering new aircraft types to NJA, but that doesnt seem to satisfy the union's thirst....

This statement makes NO sense. It shows BLATANTLY what you DON'T know ! The insinuation that the Netjet pilots just want to FLY those pretty gulfstreams is absolutely idiotic. It's all about SCOPE, look it up braniac.

 

[Diesel]

you can't shut down nja and grow nji. It's called scope. Look it up.

That's what we are fighting for. Without scope we have nothing.

 

[FamilyGuy]

This statement makes NO sense. It shows BLATANTLY what you DON'T know ! The insinuation that the Netjet pilots just want to FLY those pretty gulfstreams is absolutely idiotic. It's all about SCOPE, look it up braniac.

you can't shut down nja and grow nji. It's called scope. Look it up.

That's what we are fighting for. Without scope we have nothing.

Tell me I'm wrong....

Tell me you dont want to force NJI pilots into the union.

 

[Diesel]

Sure i want the NJI guys under our umbrella. I want the planes and the pilots. I want to ensure my future by making sure the company can only use NJA pilots to fly any trip. It's called scope. I want to make sure we have a lock tight one.

 

[Starman]

68 so far this year. High of 13 in January down to 5 in August.

Latest numbers from our board - 73 have left this year. New hires so far - 238. Net increase of 165. They've stated they needed to have a gain of 400-500 this year? Not a chance unless they decide to get the contract done..

 

[G4dude]

Sure i want the NJI guys under our umbrella. I want the planes and the pilots. I want to ensure my future by making sure the company can only use NJA pilots to fly any trip. It's called scope. I want to make sure we have a lock tight one.

It is called force, coercion, strongarm tactics, immoral. The union morons are not content to make their own workplace sullen and underproductive, they want to suck us NJI folks into the vortex. Disgusting. I will be proud and pleased to help Santulli break this rediculous union any way I can, and virtually all my colleagues at NJI agree with me.

 

[h25b]

It is called force, coercion, strongarm tactics, immoral. The union morons are not content to make their own workplace sullen and underproductive, they want to suck us NJI folks into the vortex. Disgusting. I will be proud and pleased to help Santulli break this rediculous union any way I can, and virtually all my colleagues at NJI agree with me.

I overheard one of these union gems the other day at a Signature... They were sitting in the flight planning room talking about the picketing and whether or not they would be able to attend. Then they proceded to go on and on about how horrible the company was and why management leadership were such idiots. Not five minutes later one of them starts talking about some type of storm aid/assistance the company was offering. Then gets on the phone and was calling about how he could get help for some minor damage that his home got.

Doesn't sounds like they're all that evil to me...

 

[DO-82 driver]

G4Dude......I plan on sitting in a Gulfstream when this is all said and done. The company is going to sacrifice the Gulfstreams to get this contract done....Its just going to cost them too much money to keep delaying over NJI.... not to mention that you really have so say over what they do with your future.....I'll be just another bargaining chip to them.

I promise the merge will be as a fair...... I'm sure your management will look after you then.

 

[TurboJetCpt]

Tell me I'm wrong....

Tell me you dont want to force NJI pilots into the union.

Hey stupid ass. Didn't we just say that ? You are quite the moron.

 

[linder]

G4Dude......I plan on sitting in a Gulfstream when this is all said and done. The company is going to sacrifice the Gulfstreams to get this contract done....Its just going to cost them too much money to keep delaying over NJI.... not to mention that you really have so say over what they do with your future.....I'll be just another bargaining chip to them.

I promise the merge will be as a fair...... I'm sure your management will look after you then.

That will be a really interesting IOE.

 

[Stealthh21]

Really...IT SUCKS! Troll and Dispatcher are obviously stuck in CMH and know that Columbus is such a hole and that they aren't likely going to find another Dispatch job for minimum wage like they have now...so they do the bidding of the company and try to muster up as much of a company smile as they can in hopes pilots will apply at NJA faster than the vacuum's left by those fleeing. Afterall they spend a few weeks getting certified and if NJA closes it's doors or reduces the work force, it's off to working at the Limited or Budwieser for them.

NJA is a place that had a chance gone bad. Management doesn't care about customer service and they are willing to throw the baby out with the bath water. Really a shame because there used to be a number of pilots that would have wanted to see this place succeed. NetJets bought a couple thousand pilots anxious to see the planes end up with respectable corporate outfits who would on day one pay double what most of the senior pilots make now. Not much to lose anymore and much more to gain. They either pull their heads out of thier ahrses and dump the ego trip or this place is dust.

When do you think will be a good time to get a job there?

 

[hydrarkt]

Most of you don't get it. It's NOT about flying G-Vs. It's NOT about having more pilots in the Union. It's about JOB PROTECTION. The idiot, FamiyGuy said it himself. If it were up to him, he'd shut down NJA and grow NJI. Now what's to stop our management from doing that? Of course it would make no financial sense. But it would serve the egos that run this company very well. So, incorporating NJI into NJA would greatly reduce the chances of this happening.
For those of you who think that it's the Teamsters doing the negotiating, you're wrong. The pilot negotiating team consists of experienced pilots and non affiliated advisors. They are negotiating what's best for the pilots, NOT the Teamsters.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Sure i want the NJI guys under our umbrella. I want the planes and the pilots. I want to ensure my future by making sure the company can only use NJA pilots to fly any trip. It's called scope. I want to make sure we have a lock tight one.

So why do you need to take over NJI and force its pilots into your union if all you want is job protection?

Cant you devise some contract language that gives G's to NJI and everything else goes to NJA?

 

[Diesel]

familyguy you allready know that the contract says only the NJI guys can fly gulfstream 4 derivative there of. G5 for example

Of course you know that because you're a company shill.

 

[FamilyGuy]

familyguy you allready know that the contract says only the NJI guys can fly gulfstream 4 derivative there of. G5 for example

Of course you know that because you're a company shill.

So if the contract already limits NJI to the G4 and G5's, then what do you need job protection from?

 

[Diesel]

Great job baiting me. I enjoy the banter. So that's why I answered.

I allready told you. Read above post.

oh yeah

GUYS LOOK AT THE PEOPLE POSTING THE COMPANY LINE.

HAVE THEY EVER WORKED A DAY ON THE LINE?

HAVE THEY EVER KISSED THEIR WIVES AND CHILDREN GOODBYE FOR 7 DAYS?

NO THEY HAVEN"T and THEY NEVER WILL.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Great job baiting me. I enjoy the banter. So that's why I answered.

I allready told you. Read above post.

oh yeah

GUYS LOOK AT THE PEOPLE POSTING THE COMPANY LINE.

HAVE THEY EVER WORKED A DAY ON THE LINE?

HAVE THEY EVER KISSED THEIR WIVES AND CHILDREN GOODBYE FOR 7 DAYS?

NO THEY HAVEN"T and THEY NEVER WILL.

No, I've just done hardship tours overseas for a year at a time.

How about you?

Seven days doesnt sound so bad, does it? Especially when it means you get seven days WITH them after the seven days of tour are up.

 

[Diesel]

Dude honestly i thank you for your sacrifice for the country but that's apples and oranges.

It has nothing to do with negotiations or what's going on at NJA.

 

[You're right]

HAVE THEY EVER WORKED A DAY ON THE LINE?

HAVE THEY EVER KISSED THEIR WIVES AND CHILDREN GOODBYE FOR 7 DAYS?

NO THEY HAVEN"T and THEY NEVER WILL.

Diesel, are you really serious with this sob story? You are a pilot. Somewhere in the job description of "pilot" you must have known that "will be away from home" was part of it. You are right, it would be terribly difficult to leave wife/kids for each tour, but are you kidding me, that's your career choice right?!

You are also right, this dialogue has nothing to do with the negotiations.