So Now What For Mesaba?

[Detroitpilot22]

I would assume with the mighty CRJ experience and Detriot Pilot title he's a PCL guy......but I'm sure he'll tell me I'm wrong.

They have all this wrapped up remember....they have another certificate on the way!! Ha! study your history books boys.

Piker

You know what, I am a Pinnacle Guy, and I like my job. I hope neither xj or 9e get 70 seaters and that Northwest can pull out of this and keep their pilots.

By the way, I was hired with the published minimums and I am not a pay for training dude. Im sure your times which you chose not to even post are far more better than anyone else.

 

[dondk]

I think most NWA guys are smarter than that. They know the difference between true scabs and changing times. They will be mad but starting a jumpseat war affects them too. How many NWA pilots commute on XJ or 9E?

Just a thought.

Very true... but I also remember getting the "runaround" (being very PC here) when NWA was furloughing and 9E was growing. I remember many of the comments of us "taking thier flying". If perhaps either 9E OR XJ should find some bigger aircraft on the property... does anyone think NWA pilots will be jumping for joy? I'd still bet on cold jumpseats and more runarounds. Regardless if they use our jumpseats or not.

Let's be real here.. if regional X came in and took any of XJ's or 9E's flying, you would let the "regional X" guy know your pissed one way or the other if they wanted a jumseat.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Management said the reduced flying levels will result in 400 pilot furloughs over the next eight months in addition to the approximately 500 Northwest pilots currently on furlough. The first 70 pilots will soon receive notice for layoff which will be effective Nov. 1, then 150 pilots are expected to be furloughed Jan. 1, and the rest (180 pilots) in early second quarter 2006.

Best wishes to these guys. You guys worrying about whether XJ or 9E is going to get more 70-seat flying out of the deal need to gain some perspective.

 

[smokey999]

I agree. Best of luck to you redtailers. I do have to say a look into the history books does not fair well far anyone flying a red or silver jet.

Look at what happened at United and US when BK hit. More furloughs, and contract carriers coming in to drive down costs. When it all shakes down and you have to choose who to be upset with, please don't take it out on any of your fellow colleagues. Remember, this is all evil management.

 

[Peanut Chaser]

You know what gets me?....We commuters are just trying to get to work, to put food in the mouths of our families. This nonsense of "shutting down" a jumpseat due to "Managements Actions" is senseless. You make it sound like we as pilots have a voting right into what goes on in the boardrooms.

Should we quit and start over with a new airline because we are getting new planes? I think Colgan is hiring.

 

[Monster Buck]

Best wishes to these guys. You guys worrying about whether XJ or 9E is going to get more 70-seat flying out of the deal need to gain some perspective.

I hate pc people. Quess what the post was originally about? Exactly what these guys are commenting on. The original post wasn't about the bs happening at NWA. If you want to talk about that, you can start your own post. Don't jump on the pc band wagon just like all the other liberals out there. These guys are talking about what they want to talk about. Just because it is about y doesn't mean they forgot about x.

 

[fly4ever]

nwaredtail,

Do you have the list of aircraft? I know about the 757-200s and some DC9-30s they want to unload now because they aren't even in service. What are the specific airframes that make up the rest of the 102 aircraft?

 

[Butters]

Don't get too excited about expansion folks, 31 Avros were on the list of 102 potential planes to be parked.

Everyone knew that was coming. As our new VP said, "Hard to keep a plane with four engines that burn that much gas and gets passed on the road by cars."

But NWA needs that size plane to be competitive so if they go, they will be replaced by something.

I do feel bad for the guys at NWA, don't get me wrong. I know many of them personally. However, I also have my own future to worry about. I don't want to lose flying or potential flying to another entity. Flying that is leaving NWA regardless of what we do.

No one wants to expand and the cost of someone else.

 

[Towelie]

Don't get too excited about expansion folks, 31 Avros were on the list of 102 potential planes to be parked.

Not entirely true. From the Minneapolis StarTribune:

The Eagan-based carrier, which operates one of the oldest fleets in the industry, filed a motion to reject or abandon 13 airplanes that have been parked for an extended period or which it can no longer operate economically, including six Boeing 757-200s and four DC-9-30s.

Also, Northwest reported that over a 45-day period it wants to renegotiate terms on leases and debt financing for 102 airplanes.

Doesn't exactly mean they are going to "park" another 102 planes. If they do, it won't be right away.

One thing we all need to do is mellow out until all the facts come out.

 

[Lucky Strike]

nwaredtail,

Do you have the list of aircraft? I know about the 757-200s and some DC9-30s they want to unload now because they aren't even in service. What are the specific airframes that make up the rest of the 102 aircraft?

Here's the list I saw...not all of these aircraft are going to be parked...the company wants to refinance the lease agreements on them. The leasers wouldn't do it outside of BK...now they will.


11.....747-200
7.......DC-10
22.....757-200
20.....A320
6.......A319
31.....Bae-146

 

[fly4ever]

Thanks for the info Lucky.

I hope for the best for all of the redtail employees.

 

[xcr600]

Easy detroit..........

 

[Detroitpilot22]

how is montreal xcr600?

 

[FlyingFisherman]

You know what, I am a Pinnacle Guy, and I like my job. I hope neither xj or 9e get 70 seaters and that Northwest can pull out of this and keep their pilots.

By the way, I was hired with the published minimums and I am not a pay for training dude. Im sure your times which you chose not to even post are far more better than anyone else.

Times don't matter, bud. It's all about experience and from that statement you don't have a lick. Happy Pinnacle-ing and see ya a 410, dude.

 

[FlyinPiker]

You know what, I am a Pinnacle Guy, and I like my job. I hope neither xj or 9e get 70 seaters and that Northwest can pull out of this and keep their pilots.

By the way, I was hired with the published minimums and I am not a pay for training dude. Im sure your times which you chose not to even post are far more better than anyone else.

Easy son....I was just pointing out that one plus one equals two. I don't work for 9E or XJ, so don't think this is some XJ guy jumpin all over your case.

Congrads getting hired with the published mins and not paying for training.

If you truely give a rats a$$ how much time I or any other guy on this board has, or how many type ratings I have, or whether I was military or civilian. You are going to have a very long career. I fly for an airline where my F/O's are starting to show up with shiny new commercial CRJ type ratings ( and believe it or not I'm not even at Mesa) .....I guess now I know what they are useful for....impressing the mighty board.

Piker