SLI. What's fair and equitable.

[Club ORD FO]

From what I understand the transfers are being given two options: keep options seniority number and return to options, or keep current Flexjet seat and use lower Flexjet seniority number. If they stay at flex they keep their seat as there is no system flush and nobody can be kicked out of their seat. But if that seat disappears they will go to whatever their seniority allows them to hold.

 

[TexasChallenger]

So answer me this. These scumbags have had their seniority number protected that's all well and good. So does that mean they go to the plane they can hold? Or they gonna continue to sit in global and Gulfstreams? Cause if they are then again this is BS. They picked their seniority number when they went to FLEX. That's their number. You can't have two numbers. If that's the case I pick number 1 and 2. And I will let you know which one later on I want. These scumbags are getting their cake and eating it too. Their being rewarded for stepping on everyone else's head. It's WRONG!!!!! I feel this committee was in such a rush to get this list merged they really missed the target. A lot of people feel this way. I fear the final blow to the union didn't come from KR. It came from the unions own committee. Guess I better by a pair of knee pads and start sucking....G450 here I come

Since we all know who you are from when TWA outted you awhile back, you have nothing to gripe about. You lost less than twice your number and less than 2% overall. I'd say you pretty much broke even.

 

[Imissmypilot]

From what I understand the transfers are being given two options: keep options seniority number and return to options, or keep current Flexjet seat and use lower Flexjet seniority number. If they stay at flex they keep their seat as there is no system flush and nobody can be kicked out of their seat. But if that seat disappears they will go to whatever their seniority allows them to hold.

Right but this is why bypass pay is such an important issue.

If a low seniority guy is getting Gulfstream pay, then everyone above him gets it too.

In a strange way, one of these, transfers staying on the Gulfstream as a captain might just become our new hero.

 

[shanes123]

Hey Texas. It's not about me and my seniority. Go back and read. I COULD CARE LESS WHERE I AM ON THE LIST. I was willing to accept anything I got. It's the special kids I have a problem with and the continued favoritism I actually thought with this new leadership it would stop. My fault for expecting any kind of fairness for all.

 

[TexasChallenger]

Hey Texas. It's not about me and my seniority. Go back and read. I COULD CARE LESS WHERE I AM ON THE LIST. I was willing to accept anything I got. It's the special kids I have a problem with and the continued favoritism I actually thought with this new leadership it would stop. My fault for expecting any kind of fairness for all.

You still don't get it. How are you so sure, since you haven't called your committee reps, that the transfers weren't dealt with to the best of their legal ability? And besides, if the transfers stay at Flexjet, they'll go below you and hopefully the new contract will boot them out of Gulfstreams and Globals. Again, I encourage you to call your committee reps.

 

[doh]

Hey Texas. It's not about me and my seniority. Go back and read. I COULD CARE LESS WHERE I AM ON THE LIST. I was willing to accept anything I got. It's the special kids I have a problem with and the continued favoritism I actually thought with this new leadership it would stop. My fault for expecting any kind of fairness for all.

Stop being an idiot. Call one of the SLI committee and ask. You are making yourself look more stupid by the minute.

 

[rajflyboy]

Fair and equitable?

Is that for the average pilot or just for the union/management butt kissing pilots?

 

[Imissmypilot]

Fair and equitable?

Is that for the average pilot or just for the union/management butt kissing pilots?

The transfers continue to lose longevity every month they stay at flex and don't recind their ploa. Uncle has them convinced the jcba will take years, the union says less than 1 year. Either way, these guys are kinda screwed (or at least Ricci is). I have a feeling when it all shakes down, all of us complaining are going to be pleasantly surprised how this benefits all of us regular folks.

Think of the deliciousness of this piece. If the global transfers choose to stay where they are they will be the ones on the chopping block when uncle threatens to furlough (and he will come closer to negotiatiating times). Will Kenn Ricci abandon his precious FoK group in the deal to screwing the union?

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

^ There it is. Dem transfers be havin' some worries. My 'o my, where will they go?

 

[luckydog]

Why all this discussion over the fate of 80 guys. There are over 600 on the list. Focus on the big picture.

What the big picture showed me is, every pilot above me on the list was hired at their respective company before me, and virtually every pilot below me was hired at their respective company after me.

You can call it "longevity" or anything else you want, but for about HALF the FJ pilots, this was a date-of-hire screwing. I'm sure there are 16 yes votes in the bottom half of the FJ list that are regretting their choice.

The SLI committee members should be ashamed of it instead of defending it as a proud accomplishment.

 

[Praetorian]

What the big picture showed me is, every pilot above me on the list was hired at their respective company before me, and virtually every pilot below me was hired at their respective company after me.

Isn't this ^^ the definition of "fair and eqitable". How would you have done it?

 

[luckydog]

Isn't this ^^ the definition of "fair and eqitable". How would you have done it?

If you think DoH is fair, then it is.

I would have gone by percentage so that the growth bumps of both companies shared the burden equally. Instead of putting 50% of the FJ at the bottom of the list.

I'm told I should be happy it wasn't date-of-hire, now you're saying it's fair. I really wish every one of you would have been saying this during the union drive. Then we would have know the score before we got to this point.

I'll put it another way:

This list puts me about 80 people away from being STAPLED to the end of list. And, most of the Options guys I'm senior to haven't been on the property for years.

Too bad there isn't a law that prevents this kind of abuse.

 

[doh]

Lucky, have you run any of the numbers? You should call the committee members.

 

[doh]

Starting at seniority 500 and below, every Flexjet pilot gains in relative placement. Everyone. So luckydog, if you are 80 out from the bottom, you gain in relative placement. What is your complaint again? And everyone above you has more total time on property than you. There is not one single guy with less time on property than you.

 

[luckydog]

Starting at seniority 500 and below, every Flexjet pilot gains in relative placement. Everyone. So luckydog, if you are 80 out from the bottom, you gain in relative placement. What is your complaint again? And everyone above you has more total time on property than you. There is not one single guy with less time on property than you.

I don't disagree with your conclusion about time on property. I disagree that it's a fair and equitable method of integration.

Pay attention, I'm not 80 from the bottom, there are about 80 Options guys below me + all the FJ that were already junior to me. Meaning I'm 80 guys from being stapled.

I did not gain a thing, I lost, pretty big actually. They used some clever Ricci math and managed to take our junior PICs and make them fo's for life. Explain how great the list is when 2004 Challenger PICs can't hold a PIC in any airplane.