SLI. What's fair and equitable.

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Options pilots who chose to transfer and didn't recind when the union was voted in at flex should have to keep their flex seniority number, flex doh and flex years of service. If they chose to return to Options any time prior to the public announcement of the SLI then they should be allowed to choose.

There's a saying about having your cake and eating it. I do not believe we owe anything, anything at all, to those who specifically and selfishly chose to buck industry standards and screw their co-workers because Mr. Chicklit promised them a personal seat at the the kings table.

If the IBT does not want downright revolt they better hope that magic SLI list doesn't put Syphilis, Noe Nothing etc and crew anywhere other the very bottom. What a mess that will be. Maybe the majority of flex pilots didn't vote for the IBT but I can guarantee you with almost near certainly they universally have disdain for the majority of the more mouthy transfers.

Someone else said it and it's true it's all Ricci's mess. The transfers can sue him for future lost wages if they're pissed. I wouldn't even be opposed to the union providing them the legal assistance to recoup what they'll lose as a result of his ill advised grand plan. Something has to be done to keep him (or a future chairman) from pulling this ******************** with a new acquisition or what he's secretly setting up corporate wings to do.

IMMP, this really sums up this mess started by Ricci. This whole mess falls right in his lap. His objective is to keep the infighting going between different groups. I hope the pilots can come together and secure an industry leading contract. Ricci gets the Union he deserves.

 

[Imissmypilot]

IMMP, this really sums up this mess started by Ricci. This whole mess falls right in his lap. His objective is to keep the infighting going between different groups. I hope the pilots can come together and secure an industry leading contract. Ricci gets the Union he deserves.

What so now I'm infighting and negative because I don't want to willingly roll over for the very same people who were willingly open to jump frogging me and hundreds of others in their seat grab.

No thank you. Pick a different sucker for your union kumbaya routine. It's a fractured pilot group because 99% of the list, me included, care only about their own personal position.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

What so now I'm infighting and negative because I don't want to willingly roll over for the very same people who were willingly open to jump frogging me and hundreds of others in their seat grab.

No thank you. Pick a different sucker for your union kumbaya routine. It's a fractured pilot group because 99% of the list, me included, care only about their own personal position.

Not at all, I don't expect anyone to roll over. I hope we don't lose sight of the fact that we need to work together to improve the working conditions(pay) here. You can bet the jump frogging pilots are pulling against you and me.

 

[jetwash]

I am still a little confused as to what will happen to the FO pilots that jumped to Flex?

Will they keep their seats in the Flex aircraft while having an options number or will they have to come back to an Options aircraft to get the better number?

If they keep the better of both worlds then Bypass pay in the next contract !!!

 

[Bjtdrvr]

Perhaps that is being negotiated in the fence negotiations hense the two different numbers. Otherwise who in their right mind would choose the Flex number? Kudos to the entire committee for a job well done. I am within 1.5 percent of my original slot. That has to be one of the most undesired committee positions! Again great job and thank you for your sacrifice of personal time off!

 

[Bjtdrvr]

Wait!!!? What about KR and RH prediction of strictly by date of hire!!!!!!??

 

[japhy]

I am still a little confused as to what will happen to the FO pilots that jumped to Flex?

Will they keep their seats in the Flex aircraft while having an options number or will they have to come back to an Options aircraft to get the better number?

If they keep the better of both worlds then Bypass pay in the next contract !!!

Looks like they will be able to keep their FO number and obviously their seat they are in now.

The list is officially out.

 

[DirtyBeech]

Looks like you need to read the notes again at the end of the list.

 

[Imissmypilot]

The way I read it the transfers have to pick by the JCBA effective date (so in reality a year to decide) which number they'll go with. For some the company will have to break some rules since they had a 2 year commitment. That should be interesting.

I got screwed but not as bad as DOH would have been. In my particular situation I have the majority (if not all) of the transfers ahead of me so my personal situation definitely depends on their decision.

With no flushes, the list pretty much assures me right seat for awhile with not much movement expected.

 

[jetwash]

Looks like you need to read the notes again at the end of the list.

Can you put it in simple terms, like you are explaining it to someone who just had a few drinks

 

[Dooker]

The way I read it the transfers have to pick by the JCBA effective date (so in reality a year to decide) which number they'll go with. For some the company will have to break some rules since they had a 2 year commitment. That should be interesting.

I got screwed but not as bad as DOH would have been. In my particular situation I have the majority (if not all) of the transfers ahead of me so my personal situation definitely depends on their decision.

With no flushes, the list pretty much assures me right seat for awhile with not much movement expected.

But wasn't there supposed to be a bunch of growth and a whole sh!tload of deliveries and weren't we gonna grab Netjets by the nutsack and make them rue the day they ever incorporated? Or did I just hallucinate all that? Because I could swear I distinctly remember being pretty excited for a week or two back in early 2014 ...

 

[doh]

But wasn't there supposed to be a bunch of growth and a whole sh!tload of deliveries and weren't we gonna grab Netjets by the nutsack and make them rue the day they ever incorporated? Or did I just hallucinate all that? Because I could swear I distinctly remember being pretty excited for a week or two back in early 2014 ...

Overactive hormones?

 

[doh]

Not one single comment from the WALB crowd on yammer...hmmmm...

 

[993_Pilot]

Can you put it in simple terms, like you are explaining it to someone who just had a few drinks

The way I read it, The pilots on a PLOA from flight Options will need to make a choice. Any time before the integrated list is implemented (JCBA) the PLOA/transfers can come back to Flight Options, and use their Flight Options number for the integration, or they can choose to stay at Flexjet and use their Flexjet number for the integration. No system flush, but they do have to make a choice in the next nine months.

 

[Imissmypilot]

But wasn't there supposed to be a bunch of growth and a whole sh!tload of deliveries and weren't we gonna grab Netjets by the nutsack and make them rue the day they ever incorporated? Or did I just hallucinate all that? Because I could swear I distinctly remember being pretty excited for a week or two back in early 2014 ...

That promise and a dollar will get you a whole lot of nothing. That's all on Uncle. He has proven in spades now 3 months in that all of his promises were smoke and mirrors. If he can figure out a way to get the red label bonus back, he will. Remember what we started dealing with out of the blue about a year ago?

I sincerely hope the quasi anti union crowd is realizing the error of a slim vote. The sli might not be exactly what I wanted but it's a lot better than Kenn was going to give me.

That being said, I still just want to stew about the transfers for a while.

 

[Club ORD FO]

But wasn't there supposed to be a bunch of growth and a whole sh!tload of deliveries and weren't we gonna grab Netjets by the nutsack and make them rue the day they ever incorporated? Or did I just hallucinate all that? Because I could swear I distinctly remember being pretty excited for a week or two back in early 2014 ...

There may be growth on the flex side but remember what happens at options matters too, and they are shutting down most fleets. So Flex will have to grow a lot to offset that.

 

[Imissmypilot]

Not one single comment from the WALB crowd on yammer...hmmmm...

You mean the only 33 guys who don't have a ********************ing thing to complain about?

Give it time, doh. They'll figure out something. They're probably pissed the teamsters released their seniority information to the merger committee. I demand answers.

 

[jetwash]

The way I read it, The pilots on a PLOA from flight Options will need to make a choice. Any time before the integrated list is implemented (JCBA) the PLOA/transfers can come back to Flight Options, and use their Flight Options number for the integration, or they can choose to stay at Flexjet and use their Flexjet number for the integration. No system flush, but they do have to make a choice in the next nine months.

Thank you

:beer:

 

[luckydog]

This is a DoH list hidden under the name longevity.

What happened to all that talk about fair and balanced? It was as big a crock of crap as any whooper the KR has ever told.

 

[jetwash]

This is a DoH list hidden under the name longevity.

What happened to all that talk about fair and balanced? It was as big a crock of crap as any whooper the KR has ever told.

Not really, If it was then the FLex 2007 DoH would not be ahead of the Flight Options 2002 DoH.

I too feel that I should have had a better number but I have to accept it.