FracMonkey
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Yep. Won't stay informed and the first to b!tch when he misses something. He probably relies REALLY heavily on his partner during training events. A coattail rider.
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Yep. Won't stay informed and the first to b!tch when he misses something. He probably relies REALLY heavily on his partner during training events. A coattail rider.
slowtation capt
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Well than, you should have seen the announcement about captain Mike Brown being appointed at leadership for fj. Should have seen them asking for volunteer committee members, should have seen them say when fj hits 50%+1 migs, then elections for those appointed position can take place.
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The point I was trying to make, way to subtly, is that the vast majority of the people I sit next to for 10 hours a day aren't on the VUH. They don't know anything about the process and will need much more direct communication than another forum. The VUH is great for preaching to the choir but is useless as a communication method for the vast majority of FJ pilots. Since you don't work here I'll assume you are just ignorant of that.
The war has been won, it's time to win the peace. Expecting to use the same weapons in a completely type of battle and win is unrealistic.
If you had a clue about me, you'd be embarrassed by your statements. And that bit about relying on my partner in the sim is especially rich coming from an Options guy. We all know how well you guys have done in training.
I forgot that the Info part of this site's name doesn't stand for Information. It seems the same know-it-all ass hat's still think they know everything even though they are clueless. Less typing, more thinking would be a great resolution for the New Year.
Enjoy your circle jerk boys.
The point I was trying to make, way to subtly, is that the vast majority of the people I sit next to for 10 hours a day aren't on the VUH. They don't know anything about the process and will need much more direct communication than another forum. The VUH is great for preaching to the choir but is useless as a communication method for the vast majority of FJ pilots. Since you don't work here I'll assume you are just ignorant of that.
The war has been won, it's time to win the peace. Expecting to use the same weapons in a completely type of battle and win is unrealistic.
If you had a clue about me, you'd be embarrassed by your statements. And that bit about relying on my partner in the sim is especially rich coming from an Options guy. We all know how well you guys have done in training.
I forgot that the Info part of this site's name doesn't stand for Information. It seems the same know-it-all ass hat's still think they know everything even though they are clueless. Less typing, more thinking would be a great resolution for the New Year.
Enjoy your circle jerk boys.
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Lucky, there MUST be a central location where we share information. That spot is the vuh. We will not conduct union business on yammer or FI. The vuh is the direct communication with our fellow pilots. If someone complains to you, or anyone else reading this, tell them to check the vuh. If they say no, then they DO NOT WANT COMMUNICATION. They just want to complain. It really is that simple.
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Well sorry if it irrates me, but if someone wont take the time to register and get on the VUH (Which is the way of communications for the Union) then it is obvious they don't want the information. I could sit in a cockpit with them for 10 hrs a day and tell them everything. And I guarantee the very next day they would ask the same exact question again. They complain about wanting the information, I could shove it in their mouth with a big silver spoon and they still would complain about not getting the information. If they are unwilling to help themselves, it is obvious.
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You're right, I don't know anything about you, except that right now you seem to be more interested in winning an argument on an anonymous message board, then in doing the necessary work of building our solidarity. Taking pot shots at Options pilots only builds animosity, when what we desperately need is solidarity. We all - that's right everyone including you - will suffer in contract negotiations if we can't bring these two groups together.
As to your complaint about lack of information. I just went on the VUH and counted five communications the union has put out since the election, which covered all the topics you were asking about. I know the union has also emailed these announcements to everyone they have an email address for. Can't ask for much more than that in 19 days.
This reminds me of the pilot who once complained to me that he wasn't getting any snail mail from the union. I remembered - and gently reminded him of the fact - that he had filled the mail slot at his condo with cement, in an attempt to prevent junk mail.
You have to meet the union (your union now) half way.
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If you had a clue about me, you'd be embarrassed by your statements. And that bit about relying on my partner in the sim is especially rich coming from an Options guy. We all know how well you guys have done in training.
The arrogance of these FJ A HOLES is unbelievable. We are better then everyone! If you knew me you would know how awesome and smart and good looking I am.(my mother told me so) As the majority is to stupid to put in a yes vote or wanna go look something up themselves. Ok BUBBA from TEXASS. We are so in awe of your greatness. NOT!!!
Originally Posted by luckydog View Post
If you had a clue about me, you'd be embarrassed by your statements. And that bit about relying on my partner in the sim is especially rich coming from an Options guy. We all know how well you guys have done in training.
The arrogance of these FJ A HOLES is unbelievable. We are better then everyone! If you knew me you would know how awesome and smart and good looking I am.(my mother told me so) As the majority is to stupid to put in a yes vote or wanna go look something up themselves. Ok BUBBA from TEXASS. We are so in awe of your greatness. NOT!!!
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Really, Lucky?! You're going to trot out that old horse?
Lets see, seventy some odd guys jumped the fence. 4 or 5 had trouble. Most of them had trouble after Phildo and one other made the jump and showed what true a holes they are and irritated the training department. A training department staffed by people that just may have decided to prove a point with a few of the transferees. Its not hard to bag a check ride that has a pre-determined outcome before you walk into the building.
Your check ride isn't all that special. Ill take that ride any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Book the sim, big boy. I'll come down any time......
Lets see, seventy some odd guys jumped the fence. 4 or 5 had trouble. Most of them had trouble after Phildo and one other made the jump and showed what true a holes they are and irritated the training department. A training department staffed by people that just may have decided to prove a point with a few of the transferees. Its not hard to bag a check ride that has a pre-determined outcome before you walk into the building.
Your check ride isn't all that special. Ill take that ride any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Book the sim, big boy. I'll come down any time......
windshear73
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No, not TMC.... now it's TMC and XOjet as a package.
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I wouldn't be so sure about that. It wouldn't surprise me if the puppetmaster KR is somehow pulling the strings in the background. Time will tell.
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It's going to be interesting to see where this new partnership takes us. Some good times ahead, maybe? Fingers crossed...
Imissmypilot
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Ummmmm.... better say don't worry yet.
If you don't see this as even more worrisome then you aren't thinking far enough into the future.
Buying TMC now doesn't help Kenn. They are already union. He needs another company to acquire them first and decertify. Then when this new non union shop is big enough, Kenn acquires them and gets another shot at ridding himself of the 1108 for good. I'm betting there's already a side handshake deal on the table if they can produce an un-unionized pilot group of 300 plus pilots.
We have 2-3 years guys. 2-3 years to get the best contract in the biz and shut down the threat. Let's not waste it on sli.
I'm with lucky and El raton (and a few options guys it appears) on sli - it should not be a get rich quick scheme / lottery scam for options pilots.
A zipper is very doable when you convert each pilot to a PERCENTAGE number. It floors me supposedly educated individuals do not understand this or what percentage sli means.
You convert each pilot in each group to a percentage number and then you go one by one until you hit a disparity, then maybe 2 for 1 for a few numbers until you get back on track with the numbers and continue one for one until the next hiccup. Rinse and repeat. Everyone ends up roughly where they started on the new list, at the very least still in their bracket/tier.
The only method that guarantees any arbitration is any hint of this DOH bull$hit including that proposed by AF as reasonable as he's trying to be. The only true fair and equitable solution is a zipper based on your converted percentage.
If you came into SLI at the top middle or bottom is how you should leave sli. Does it suck to be a 10-12 year FO still at the bottom at the end of it all - sure it does. But lets address that issue in negotiations where it belongs. Negotiations is your lottery ticket boys, not sli.
Don't be so short sighted with SLI we miss the boat and it takes us too long to get to the negotiating table. BTW for the record I've seen none of the supposed softening from flex leadership / ex poc people on the sli issue. What I've heard from them is the need to get through it quickly. There's a huge distinction there so stop spreading rumors that don't help and discourage unity.
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GlorifiedCabbie
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Phil was your problem long before he darkened our list, and he still has to pass a type ride given by those evil doers at the training center before he gets his new jet to prove his incompetence flying.
AF is another good dude this process has corrupted. Any talk about DoH integration is bad for both groups and goes against the POC party line. Don't let this turn into a ALPA/USAPA nightmare.
AF is another good dude this process has corrupted. Any talk about DoH integration is bad for both groups and goes against the POC party line. Don't let this turn into a ALPA/USAPA nightmare.
Haven't been on this board in almost a year. Haven't read this thread. Find it ironically peculiar that the most vehement Union upposer started the thread. I'll tell you where we go from here rat. Get inline behind your brothers and stand united against the evil that is flight options management. End of story. Your either with us or against us. Welcome to the teamsters. Get used to it
You should go back a year or so and read what I posted during that time period. You'll see that I changed my tune. I changed it because of seniority. I was reassured by the IBT it would be fair and equitable.
Kenn will avail every opportunity in the future to rid himself or marginalized the teamsters. So if you staple me with DOH, I and ~200 pilots, and the 314 who voted "no" will join Kenn's efforts. No Union is better than being stapled.
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