SkyWest takes Delta for Everything It's Got

[General Lee]

I made $90K last year and this month I will sleep in my own bed all but five nights. I've only been here six years, why should I be in a hurry to go somewhere else? I'm scratching my head and am having a hard time thinking of a good reason. Lazy? Maybe. Fat, dumb, and happy. OK. Tell me why I should start over somewhere else.

Jon,

Sounds like your situation is great. Don't ever leave. Your pay will never go down, and your schedule will always stay the same. Have a great time there.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[On Your Six]

Dave,

The difference here is that even if we get a pay cut now (or more of a pay cut), chances are that we will eventually raise it back towards where it used to be. You guys are pretty much stuck. I am glad it only takes you 25 minutes to drive to work. That is awesome. Traffic here in ATL probably is worse than there in Salt Lake. Somedays it takes me an hour, depending on the time of the duty in. (they all don't happen at rush hour) And you have a growing business---that is wonderful. I am dabbling in some of that too. IF you don't want to move on to another larger airline, good for you. Stay there by all means. But, don't start crying if the regional airline pay and benefits start to come down like the rest of us. How about your QOL in the decreasing line numbers there in SLC? My buddy there said your lines fell to 160 from 220. That could hurt.

I am glad you KNOW that the "ball of excriment" is coming at us fast. We have taken the majority of our cuts---there may be a few more coming our way--but if you do the math--they said they needed $325 million a year to the judge---we have hit half and the other half will likely be in the form of a credit if the pension is dumped, which is likely with $10.6 billion owed. The majority of that poop ball has hit us, and now I will be bidding for Captain on the next bid probably.

And lastly, I guess I need to stop slamming the regionals---like the name of this thread. What was it again? SkyWest takes Delta for everything its got? Titles like that make me want to respond. There are some really cocky regional pilots that think they have it made, when they really DON'T. With titles like that, it doesn't make me or any other pilot flying at a legacy feel too sympathetic when we hear about the continuing decline of your regional industry pay or QOL. If you want better, you may want to look into applying elsewhere. CAL is hiring.

Bye Bye--General Lee

So true. It's not like the title is inflammatory... It would be great to see how many of these people on this board would change their mind if they were on the other side of the coin. What if Dave joined CAL - would he then support the regionals' efforts to expand their scope at the expense his and the other CAL pilots' job security? Yeah, I am sure he would be fully supportive of COEX's or Mesa's efforts if his job security was at stake!!!! I've got an idea - let's pay everyone regional level wages with no upside! That's great!!!!!

 

[Dave Benjamin]

So true. It's not like the title is inflammatory... It would be great to see how many of these people on this board would change their mind if they were on the other side of the coin. What if Dave joined CAL - would he then support the regionals' efforts to expand their scope at the expense his and the other CAL pilots' job security? Yeah, I am sure he would be fully supportive of COEX's or Mesa's efforts if his job security was at stake!!!! I've got an idea - let's pay everyone regional level wages with no upside! That's great!!!!!

Hey I'm not one of the guys pushing for larger aircrat at the regionals. I don't have the false sense of entitlement expressed by some other folks. Most pilot groups and pilots will support whatever they feel is in their best interest. There isn't much solidarity in this business.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

And lastly, I guess I need to stop slamming the regionals---like the name of this thread. What was it again? SkyWest takes Delta for everything its got? Titles like that make me want to respond. There are some really cocky regional pilots that think they have it made, when they really DON'T. With titles like that, it doesn't make me or any other pilot flying at a legacy feel too sympathetic when we hear about the continuing decline of your regional industry pay or QOL. If you want better, you may want to look into applying elsewhere. CAL is hiring.

Bye Bye--General Lee

It wasn't me that named the thread. Cocky regional pilots? I suppose there aren't any cocky mainline pilots. If anyone should be worried about declining pay and QOL it should be you. You've got the most to lose. Wonder how that new judge will work out for you guys. I don't think too many regional guys are lookng for your sympathy either. If I want something better I sure as hell won't be looking for it at CAL. I am happy that they are providing some opportunities for FO's looking for the "brass ring" of a major. I just wish some captains senior to me would take the bait. Sure will get interesting if what Bethune and others are predicting about mergers and futher consolidation takes place. Some folks could find themselves retiring as FO's if some of the speculation pans out. Funny how the SECDOT was just talking the other day about that very topic. Do you suppose more or less pilots will be needed to staff a merged set of airlines?

What gave you the impression I live in SLC? Just another incorrect presumption on your part. Don't worry. I'm used to it. You're way off base with 90% of the crap you post.

 

[General Lee]

It wasn't me that named the thread. Cocky regional pilots? I suppose there aren't any cocky mainline pilots. If anyone should be worried about declining pay and QOL it should be you. You've got the most to lose. Wonder how that new judge will work out for you guys. I don't think too many regional guys are lookng for your sympathy either. If I want something better I sure as hell won't be looking for it at CAL. I am happy that they are providing some opportunities for FO's looking for the "brass ring" of a major. I just wish some captains senior to me would take the bait. Sure will get interesting if what Bethune and others are predicting about mergers and futher consolidation takes place. Some folks could find themselves retiring as FO's if some of the speculation pans out. Funny how the SECDOT was just talking the other day about that very topic. Do you suppose more or less pilots will be needed to staff a merged set of airlines?

What gave you the impression I live in SLC? Just another incorrect presumption on your part. Don't worry. I'm used to it. You're way off base with 90% of the crap you post.

Well, let's see---I have told you I live in ATL, and I can only assume (better chances) that you live in the main base of your airline. IF you live in DEN, ORD, SBP, FAT, SAN, COS, YUM, PDX, PSP, or SBA, then GOOD FOR YOU DAVE. I am way off base with 90% of the KRAP I write? Ok.....Dave. Sure. Do you think I read minds? You know what they say when you ASSume?

So, we have the most to lose? The new judge won't even touch this until the final signing as long as we follow our recent TA---TA50. And, highly doubtful that he will change much---he is there right now to work the vendors and creditors over, not the one union that already has protocol for the new TA. I guess you need to brush up on your facts---I would say 96% of the KRAP you write is way off base. And do I worry about the pay and QOL? Not as much with a Captain upgrade on the way. The QOL issues may be tougher than it is now, but that raise will allow me to buy that lap top I have always wanted---so I can stay updated on Flightinfo---even on short layovers in Daytona. Have a great one Dave.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Well, let's see---I have told you I live in ATL, and I can only assume (better chances) that you live in the main base of your airline. IF you live in DEN, ORD, SBP, FAT, SAN, COS, YUM, PDX, PSP, or SBA, then GOOD FOR YOU DAVE. I am way off base with 90% of the KRAP I write?

The new judge won't even touch this until the final signing as long as we follow our recent TA---TA50. And, highly doubtful that he will change much---he is there right now to work the vendors and creditors over, not the one union that already has protocol for the new TA.

Funny, I don't think I've ever even mentioned what airline I work for. I've actually made it a point to not come right out and say who my employer is. How can you be totally sure it's SKYW? Have you ever thought I might jhave commuted on SKYW out of YUM and know a lot of their pilots from that YUM base you listed? I didn't even think SKYW really had a main base given all the growth in DEN and ORD markets. Yes you are way off base with 90% of the "KRAP" you write. Thanks for acknowledging that. You need to start working on controlling the arrogance as well. Admitting you have a problem is the first step. Being a pilot for bankrupt old DAL doesn't make you any better than anyone else. There's a good chance you'd still be a commuter pilot if you hadn't fooled the interviewers there. I think everyone is getting weary of the superiority BS you're always broadcasting. Get over yourself General. You may find yourself FO'ing for one of us someday. Rememebr that old sayig about the people you walk over on the way up may be your boass on the way down. It's a funny business.

Good luck with upgrade. Guess you might have something to do other than spend hours on the "Regionals" section of flightinfo.

 

[michael707767]

And CAL has grouped their planes into "narrowbody and widebody."

actually CAL has widebody, large narrowbody and small narrowbody.
Michael

 

[enuffalready]

leave him alone.....

Guys... for God's sake, STOP POSTING FOR GL. I made the mistake of engaging in debate with him that went nowhere. He has more than proven himself to be a boob, trolling these boards for a reason I am yet to figure out.

If not, all you'll have is silly arguments based on whose Dad can beat up whose Dad?

As much as I love a debate, he has made it pointless. Maybe we will have another Delta guy that can keep it reasonable. Until then.. please let him just go away....

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Guys... for God's sake, STOP POSTING FOR GL. I made the mistake of engaging in debate with him that went nowhere. He has more than proven himself to be a boob, trolling these boards for a reason I am yet to figure out.

If not, all you'll have is silly arguments based on whose Dad can beat up whose Dad?

As much as I love a debate, he has made it pointless. Maybe we will have another Delta guy that can keep it reasonable. Until then.. please let him just go away....

Good idea. Let's give it a try. Maybe he can find his way to another board.

 

[On Your Six]

Good idea. Let's give it a try. Maybe he can find his way to another board.

Dave,

You haven't addressed my point about how you would view the situation on the other side of the coin - if you were a mainline pilot having to protect your job security from low-cost regionals seeking more of your capacity. Funny how you selectively participate. Seems pretty logical to me but nobody else will admit that they would likely agree with the General if they were in his position... Bringing larger aircraft down to the regionals and paying those pilots less just makes NO SENSE with the JetBlue E190 benchmark...

Anyone care to argue that logically and without emotion?

 

[General Lee]

Funny, I don't think I've ever even mentioned what airline I work for. I've actually made it a point to not come right out and say who my employer is. How can you be totally sure it's SKYW? Have you ever thought I might jhave commuted on SKYW out of YUM and know a lot of their pilots from that YUM base you listed? I didn't even think SKYW really had a main base given all the growth in DEN and ORD markets. Yes you are way off base with 90% of the "KRAP" you write. Thanks for acknowledging that. You need to start working on controlling the arrogance as well. Admitting you have a problem is the first step. Being a pilot for bankrupt old DAL doesn't make you any better than anyone else. There's a good chance you'd still be a commuter pilot if you hadn't fooled the interviewers there. I think everyone is getting weary of the superiority BS you're always broadcasting. Get over yourself General. You may find yourself FO'ing for one of us someday. Rememebr that old sayig about the people you walk over on the way up may be your boass on the way down. It's a funny business.

Good luck with upgrade. Guess you might have something to do other than spend hours on the "Regionals" section of flightinfo.

My friend at SkyWest says you are on their own board. Got ya. You use your own name. Good idea. You are a genius.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Dave,

You haven't addressed my point about how you would view the situation on the other side of the coin - if you were a mainline pilot having to protect your job security from low-cost regionals seeking more of your capacity. Funny how you selectively participate. Seems pretty logical to me but nobody else will admit that they would likely agree with the General if they were in his position... Bringing larger aircraft down to the regionals and paying those pilots less just makes NO SENSE with the JetBlue E190 benchmark...

Anyone care to argue that logically and without emotion?

On Your Six,

I'll make this perfectly clear. I have never advocated bringing larger aircraft to the regionals. I have no idea why you accuse me of selectively participating. If you go back and read my posts my viewpoint is pretty clear. I'll offer you a hint. Read what I wrote not what General Lee thinks I wrote. If I were employed at mainline I would be doing whatever it takes to improve my job security and prospects of future flying. If you go back and read through some of my posts you'll see where I've expressed a desire to see any E-190's end up at mainline. If regional pay were to equal or exceed mainline pay for those aircraft I'd want to see them at my carrier.

 

[General Lee]

Guys... for God's sake, STOP POSTING FOR GL. I made the mistake of engaging in debate with him that went nowhere. He has more than proven himself to be a boob, trolling these boards for a reason I am yet to figure out.

If not, all you'll have is silly arguments based on whose Dad can beat up whose Dad?

As much as I love a debate, he has made it pointless. Maybe we will have another Delta guy that can keep it reasonable. Until then.. please let him just go away....

My Dad is buff, and extremely proud of me. The reason you have stopped debating me is because I won a long time ago. You can't win, I have a better answer every time. Live long and prosper.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Dave,

You haven't addressed my point about how you would view the situation on the other side of the coin - if you were a mainline pilot having to protect your job security from low-cost regionals seeking more of your capacity. Funny how you selectively participate. Seems pretty logical to me but nobody else will admit that they would likely agree with the General if they were in his position... Bringing larger aircraft down to the regionals and paying those pilots less just makes NO SENSE with the JetBlue E190 benchmark...

Anyone care to argue that logically and without emotion?

Careful, he may call you an A hole!

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Oh, and Dave, maybe you didn't see the news but even the NW judge did NOT drop the NW union contracts. Nope. No 1113c in progress. The NW judge is pushing for negotiations, rather than just dropping everything---including scope. Same for us.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[enuffalready]

My Dad is buff, and extremely proud of me. The reason you have stopped debating me is because I won a long time ago. You can't win, I have a better answer every time. Live long and prosper.


Bye Bye--General Lee

did you just type 'live long and prosper'?? are you kidding me... thanks for proving my point for me...

If there are any other Delta guys that wish to debate, I would enjoy an intellectual exhange of ideas. Of course we will not agree on certain topics, but that is the point of a debate. We all know there are people that are an embarassment at any organization whether its Coca Cola, IBM, Delta, ASA or whatever. Please leave GL alone.... and lets have an actual discussion based in merit

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Guys... for God's sake, STOP POSTING FOR GL. I made the mistake of engaging in debate with him that went nowhere. He has more than proven himself to be a boob, trolling these boards for a reason I am yet to figure out.

If not, all you'll have is silly arguments based on whose Dad can beat up whose Dad?

As much as I love a debate, he has made it pointless. Maybe we will have another Delta guy that can keep it reasonable. Until then.. please let him just go away....

I just put GL on my "IGNORE" list and it really cuts the thread down in size. The guy has made 50 posts on this one topic alone. To add anyone (yes even me) to your ignore list just click on the poster's name, select the profile page, and click on the "add to ignore list" button.

 

[General Lee]

I just put GL on my "IGNORE" list and it really cuts the thread down in size. The guy has made 50 posts on this one topic alone. To add anyone (yes even me) to your ignore list just click on the poster's name, select the profile page, and click on the "add to ignore list" button.

Great, Dave cut me off. Darn, I was really getting to him. Oh well. Have fun Dave in FAT or DEN. Which one is it? And, I have only done 50 posts on this topic? I have more to go---I am almost at 6000 posts! Su-wheat.


Bye Bye--General Lee

PS---Hi Dave!! I have figured out how you can still read my posts.....

 

[Rogue5]

Gen L -

Just to set you straight: Dave's a Bro driver in PDX, and from what little I know of him, he's got the whole QOL thing down (like most of those boys up in the Pac NW). Most of them don't seem to be too caught up in the whole airline biz drama: living on boats, playing in bands, Jimmy Buffet and all that.

Cheers to y'all, and carry on...

 

[Mookie]

I go away for a four day trip, and this thread is now...10 pages long...

ok, ok, we all need to chill out. gl will do whatever he can to get a rise out of us "poor little bastard rj guys." You all know he flew a 76/75 right?

We should show some respect to our elders who obviously know more about life at the airlines...

Mookie

 

[General Lee]

Gen L -

Just to set you straight: Dave's a Bro driver in PDX, and from what little I know of him, he's got the whole QOL thing down (like most of those boys up in the Pac NW). Most of them don't seem to be too caught up in the whole airline biz drama: living on boats, playing in bands, Jimmy Buffet and all that.

Cheers to y'all, and carry on...

Thanks Rogue. He told me a few posts back that he never said he even flew for SkyWest. I will look him up when I do a PDX layover next month.....Should be fun!!

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I go away for a four day trip, and this thread is now...10 pages long...

ok, ok, we all need to chill out. gl will do whatever he can to get a rise out of us "poor little bastard rj guys." You all know he flew a 76/75 right?

We should show some respect to our elders who obviously know more about life at the airlines...

Mookie

Come on playa hater, don't be all that. I don't think your are "poor little bastard rj guys." Some other guy said he made $90,000 a year flying one of those. Dam! So, you are now "rich little bastard rj guys...." No, come on. I am not like that...... Have fun Mookie flying those CR7s.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Rogue5]

I go away for a four day trip, and this thread is now...10 pages long...

Mookie, that's something you'll never see General Lee do: take a break from ranting on the Regionals forum for 4 straight days...

General if you can, make contact with Dave and let him take you out for a beer. I'm sure he'd be able to show you a thing or two about the great state of Oregon you might miss being a mere passer-by. I've spent enough weeks there with friends and such during my travels and on overnights to know there are fewer places in the United States to enjoy the good life, at least for this left-coaster...

 

[79%N1]

I just put GL on my "IGNORE" list and it really cuts the thread down in size. The guy has made 50 posts on this one topic alone. To add anyone (yes even me) to your ignore list just click on the poster's name, select the profile page, and click on the "add to ignore list" button.

I'm with you Dave, and a few days ahead. Its so nice not listening to GL blast us with his infinite aviation knowledge. I can also get through a thread in about 1/10th the time, and dont get all p!ssed off at his constant anti-regional rhetoric. There is a reason I dont but my opinion into an Airlink or Expressjet topic. I wish he would keep to his own topics, but others seem to love the old Gen.

 

[On Your Six]

Great, Dave cut me off. Darn, I was really getting to him. Oh well. Have fun Dave in FAT or DEN. Which one is it? And, I have only done 50 posts on this topic? I have more to go---I am almost at 6000 posts! Su-wheat.


Bye Bye--General Lee

PS---Hi Dave!! I have figured out how you can still read my posts.....

Why ignore GL? Sure, he's outlandish at times, but his mainline perspective is interesting and he makes some good points in between his rantings...

 

[Rogue5]

... he makes some good points in between his rantings...

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Why ignore GL? Sure, he's outlandish at times, but his mainline perspective is interesting and he makes some good points in between his rantings...

I've got mainline pilots I can talk to that live in my neighborhood. I spend time on the water with one of them. The daily ATA Smartbrief gives me most of the stuff that's being made public. There are several intelligent coherent mainline pilots on the Majors Forum that have some excellent commentary to offer.

It all boils down to SNR (signal to noise ratio). In the case of GL it's 99% noise (or all hat and no cattle to those of you in TX). I think he does a disservice to his fellow DAL pilots by giving people a false impression of what DAL pilots actually think. I've met several DAL pilots over the years and he doesn't have much in common with the guys I've met.

 

[79%N1]

Man, finally someone else sees the light! For those that say its a public board and anyone can say what they want, thats true. But, how much of what this guys spews do we need to listen to? Its the same stuff, over and over. Anti-regionals, I'm better, listen to what I say because its the truth. How many of us would offer over 50 opinions on one topic on the majors board when it really doesnt have anything to do with us? This guy just trolls here on the regional board because he feels superior to us, and loves to tell us. What do we care about what some Delta guy thinks about issues concerning Comair, ASA, Skywest, Pinnacle, Air Wisc or any other regional? Like Dave B. I'm just so tired of the hijacks.

 

[Just_Defer_It]

this month I will sleep in my own bed all but five nights.

Looks like you'll sleep more in your own bed, since you failed that check ride last week in LAX!
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Jeez, I've been looking at your other posts (all 12 in this incarnation) and you've proven that you're kind of an ascerbic personality aren't you. Since you post rather infrequently, it won't be much of a loss for either of us if I just put you in the penalty box for keeps.

UAL78
Moderator

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Looks like you'll sleep more in your own bed, since you failed that check ride last week in LAX!

I really doubt that what you're saying about Jon is true since there aren't any CRJ sims anywhere near LAX but regardless you are truly an a$$ for posting that comment.