SkyWest takes Delta for Everything It's Got

[enuffalready]

Dave,

I will still make 5 times more money and have a better schedule than you or anyone at SkyWest. (except Ron Reber....--He will make ten times more money than any pilot at SkyWest)


Bye Bye--General Lee

Too Funny General Lush--

I remember writing something along the lines of my income outside of ASA and my QOL and your retort was that it was a childish rant, etc, ect. But as you boast about what I consider paultry pay at 150k as an 88 captain and your QOL over a skywest guy I can't help but smile. Your elitist attitude is the kind that got you into trouble 15 years ago when RJ's were farmed out. And now its your shortsightedeness that will keep you there. Like I said, you better hope to all that is good on earth that Delta doesn't fold. It's chumps like you that get their Arses handed to them every day in a place I live called the free market. Speaking of free market economics, gee, I wonder where oh where all those 70's, 705's, etc are going.. may not be ASA but it is guaranteed not to be what you consider mainline

ps- I can't imagine being forced to fly crappy trips as a junior 88 captain, overnighting in places like little rock and des moines for a pathetic 150k. What a sucker...

Sad part is, as a commuter long ago I met a lot of reasonable, intelligent pilots over at Delta. You my friend are a boob--

 

[General Lee]

How many of you dorks went over 250K, 225K, 200K, last year?

Lets hear it...

Can you imagine it at the DCI's?

I did just fine, and moving to the other seat will "insulate" (as Ron likes to say) my current pay. How many guys made that much? Probably a lot in 2005 since we had so many retirements and they were short and had to give out greenslips or park planes. I didn't do any, but I still did well. And no, I can't imagine it at DCI.


Bye Bye--Geneal Lee

 

[General Lee]

Too Funny General Lush--

I remember writing something along the lines of my income outside of ASA and my QOL and your retort was that it was a childish rant, etc, ect. But as you boast about what I consider paultry pay at 150k as an 88 captain and your QOL over a skywest guy I can't help but smile. Your elitist attitude is the kind that got you into trouble 15 years ago when RJ's were farmed out. And now its your shortsightedeness that will keep you there. Like I said, you better hope to all that is good on earth that Delta doesn't fold. It's chumps like you that get their Arses handed to them every day in a place I live called the free market. Speaking of free market economics, gee, I wonder where oh where all those 70's, 705's, etc are going.. may not be ASA but it is guaranteed not to be what you consider mainline

ps- I can't imagine being forced to fly crappy trips as a junior 88 captain, overnighting in places like little rock and des moines for a pathetic 150k. What a sucker...

Sad part is, as a commuter long ago I met a lot of reasonable, intelligent pilots over at Delta. You my friend are a boob--

Man alive. Too funny, eh? Look at the title of this original post---"SkyWest takes Delta for everything it's got....." You guys are FEED. Sure, you are doing well, attached to two bankrupt carriers. As we both emerge eventually, we will regain our strength gradually, and you will still be feed. Get over your nasty selves. Scope clauses, even modified a bit, will still be in effect. Pay will be tighter because management will demand it----and our lower pay now will eventually rise in the future some day--maybe the next contract. The end result, you will still feed DL and UA. Get over yourself.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

As Mr. Lee says, "My pay will go down"??? First you Bitch that we were offered only 1.2% pay INCREASE, And I'm happy it was voted down by 72%, now I guess you are telling us that we are about to take a pay cut?! Even though we were just offered a pay increase???!!!

And if I would ever see a DL pilot wave at me, I would die of shock! The only time you boys are nice is when you want a ride in my jumpseat! I'd rather you not be nice at all, at least then you would hold true to who you really are!

I guess I am never nice to any SkyWest jumpseater in our cockpits? Yeah, you are the only nice ones out there. Riiiiight. There are a lot of disgruntled pilots out there, in the regionals and majors. I haven't seen one Captain or FO take it out on a regional pilot. You may have, but I haven't. Next time you need to ride to St Thomas or San Juan, come on over to my jumpseat, and you will get any softdrink you want----free---as many as you want. There you go.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

"have a better schedule than you or anyone at SkyWest"

I had 18 days off in Dec. No vacation taken. Perhaps you have a few more off, but not many and not for long junior reserve Captain.

"I will still make 5 times more money"
You do make more money than me, but I don't want for anything either. After your done giving back, it will only be twice as much as me.

"I will wave at them from the left seat of my MD88 or 738"

A number of UA guys thought they were insulated as well.

"I am moving up seats---to the LEFT seat on the next bid"

New Captain ego speaking? Go easy on your FO's okay. MD80 skipper huh, well congrats but I have to chuckle. I see new Captains on the RJ displaying the same attitude. All it is is a bigger RJ.

"Wanna bet your pay will go down?"

So...I DO have something in common with you.

Ok, I won't make 5 times as much, maybe two or three. And, I may not get 18 days off initially---probably 13-14. As far as getting the left seat, it is looking good right now thanks to great lease negotiations. Will I be a jerk Captain? No, I will buy everything third drink--as long as the FO buys the other two. And, everyone in this industry that flies will eventually get a pay cut. Look at the Expressjet guys with a great contract and a healthy feed partner--CAL---they still are getting the squeeze.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[enuffalready]

Man alive. Too funny, eh? Look at the title of this original post---"SkyWest takes Delta for everything it's got....." You guys are FEED. Sure, you are doing well, attached to two bankrupt carriers. .... The end result, you will still feed DL and UA. Get over yourself.

Bye Bye--General Lee

again, proving my point... at least every once in a while FDJ tries to keep it on an intellectual basis... but the LUSH is a total boob...must me tough with that napoleon complex!

 

[ReportCanoa]

Next time you need to ride to St Thomas or San Juan, come on over to my jumpseat, and you will get any softdrink you want----free---as many as you want. There you go.

Bye Bye--General Lee

And when you need a ride to St. Croix, I'll get you as many softdrinks as you like too.

Feeding St. Croix, and lovin' it!

 

[General Lee]

And when you need a ride to St. Croix, I'll get you as many softdrinks as you like too.

Feeding St. Croix, and lovin' it!

Just like you were feeding Los Cabos? Seasonal. You will lose it in the Summer. I won't.(unless I get the upgrade...) Enjoy it. Those 738s you replaced are now doing Punta Cana and Barbados.

Bye Bye--General Lee

PS--Thank Gawd the MD88 does NAS now.

 

[ohplease!]

Ok, I won't make 5 times as much, maybe two or three. And, I may not get 18 days off initially---probably 13-14.

yeah but, you'll still be you and ain't nothing worth that.

 

[General Lee]

yeah but, you'll still be you and ain't nothing worth that.

You got me...??? What? I am worth EVERY PENNY----no doubt. How much are you worth? Ask Jerry Atkin or BL.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[wheelsup]

You guys are FEED. Sure, you are doing well, attached to two bankrupt carriers. As we both emerge eventually, we will regain our strength gradually, and you will still be feed. Get over your nasty selves...Get over yourself.

I'm glad you had the foresight to go to Delta back in the day. Congrats. Unfortunately, I graduated college 2 year after 9/11, and for the last 5 years or so the industry has been in the sh11ter and lowly "feeder" guys probably won't ever get a shot at mainline. I'm glad you are happy making more money than us, and I'm glad you feel the need to rub it in. That's awesome.

Nevermind the fact that skywest helped Delta raise the needed cash to continue (if the article is true) or that AWAC helped USAir out of BK by investing their $125 mil. Maybe one day you will be the "feed"?

~wheelsup

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Ok, I won't make 5 times as much, maybe two or three. And, I may not get 18 days off initially---probably 13-14. As far as getting the left seat, it is looking good right now thanks to great lease negotiations. Will I be a jerk Captain? No, I will buy everything third drink--as long as the FO buys the other two. And, everyone in this industry that flies will eventually get a pay cut. Look at the Expressjet guys with a great contract and a healthy feed partner--CAL---they still are getting the squeeze.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Uhhh General Loser,
You don't even make twice as much. SKYW and ASA RJ pay isn't that low compared to the mighty DAL narrowbody scale. Looking at that MD88 scale topping out at 139 an hour is kinda depressing when a 12 year CA at SKYW is making close to 80 per hour even when flying a 50 seater. About 86 for a 70 seater at ASA. If your work rules go the way of UAL's narrowbody work rules you'll be crying the blues.

You may not be a jerk captain but you'll always be a jerk on FlightInfo.

 

[PSPFAWILL]

Go Dave!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Dave Benjamin]

You guys are FEED. Sure, you are doing well, attached to two bankrupt carriers.

FEED......Ooooohhhhh...what an insult. FEED.

Let's see now. SKYW has been profitable longer than some of their captains have been alive. Close to 30 years, isn't it? When was the last time DAL even turned a profit?

Funny when I talk to guys that have been furloughed for several years they regret ever leaving their job at a FEEDer. FEED may not be as glamorous as you make mainline out to be but let's face reality. It's a more stable job right now.

 

[General Lee]

Uhhh General Loser,
You don't even make twice as much. SKYW and ASA RJ pay isn't that low compared to the mighty DAL narrowbody scale. Looking at that MD88 scale topping out at 139 an hour is kinda depressing when a 12 year CA at SKYW is making close to 80 per hour even when flying a 50 seater. About 86 for a 70 seater at ASA. If your work rules go the way of UAL's narrowbody work rules you'll be crying the blues.

You may not be a jerk captain but you'll always be a jerk on FlightInfo.

Thanks Dave, for all of your support. The thing is, if Delta's pension does allow one more lump sum payout (they look at every quarter, and if the fund is funded up to 80%--they dole them out again) like people think may happen in March---1300 pilots are eligible. Will that many go? Probably not. But will the top 300? Probably. If they do, I will be a 738 Captain, and if more go, I will go higher. That is the key here Dave, we can go higher for bigger planes (unlike a certain Regional based in St. George). It is just a matter of time. And, I am 40, so I have time to eventually move up in future contracts. 787 here I come.

And Dave, come on now with the personal attacks. I would only expect that from CFIT.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

FEED......Ooooohhhhh...what an insult. FEED.

Let's see now. SKYW has been profitable longer than some of their captains have been alive. Close to 30 years, isn't it? When was the last time DAL even turned a profit?

Funny when I talk to guys that have been furloughed for several years they regret ever leaving their job at a FEEDer. FEED may not be as glamorous as you make mainline out to be but let's face reality. It's a more stable job right now.

Dave, easy now, you will blow a vein. When was the last profit at Delta? We were ALWAYS profitable (a lot more than SkyWest makes) until 9-11, and you can understand that when you have very few passengers on 400 mainline sized planes for a few months after 9-11, losses start.(except at regional feed with guaranteed contracts) You can understand that. Then the internet thing came around--to buy cheap tickets and cause larger losses. Then high gas killed us all---except SkyWest who had an "insulated" plan with Delta---which worked well for you but not for us. You know the history, but Delta has always had money, and we have been doing a great job losing it over the last 4 years. We are now trying to save $3 billion a year in cost savings, and we all will be squeesed somewhat to achieve that. Your pilots have come through for the company a few times----and made you look bad to the whole regional industry. You were the first to accept one rate for any plane up to 99 seats, and you have no power to change that. You could have had a 1.2% pay raise, but you turned that down---which is good I guess---and now you may never see that again. Who knows? Glass houses.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Will that many go? Probably not. But will the top 300? Probably. If they do, I will be a 738 Captain, and if more go, I will go higher. That is the key here Dave, we can go higher for bigger planes (unlike a certain Regional based in St. George). It is just a matter of time.

I'm not sure if I'd be rejoicing over moving up in seniority because thousands are leaving like rats abandoning a sinking ship. Maybe they just know some things you haven't figured out yet.

Don't think a certain regional won't get bigger planes? I wouldn't count on that. A certain bankruptcy case is a long ways from being over. And a certain MEC has a reputation for eating its young.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Then the internet thing came around--to buy cheap tickets and cause larger losses. Then high gas killed us all---except SkyWest who had an "insulated" plan with Delta---which worked well for you but not for us.

So what's your plan General? You gonna kill the internet? Make OPEC sell oil for for the amount of money your company's business plan was based on?
Those problems aren't going away anytime soon. Maybe flying E-190's at sub-JetBlu rates will insure your survival. Of course you'll be defending those crappy rates a lot longer than SKYW pilots will be worried about their combined rates.

 

[General Lee]

I'm not sure if I'd be rejoicing over moving up in seniority because thousands are leaving like rats abandoning a sinking ship. Maybe they just know some things you haven't figured out yet.

Don't think a certain regional won't get bigger planes? I wouldn't count on that. A certain bankruptcy case is a long ways from being over. And a certain MEC has a reputation for eating its young.

That MEC has now changed. The leader is a new 737-200 Captain. Same MEC? Not. Sinking ship? It is trying to float again, and with savings it will. If it sinks, you will sink too. Look at the exit financing for USAir with AWA's help. The financers got DOUBLE their money back. There will be financing companies lining up to get the same deal with Delta. USAir's stock is twice what is was when it came out---huge profits for those companies who got stock. This airline won't go away, unless a merger, and we would do ok since we just got rid of 2300 Captains, in 18 months!

Will you get some bigger planes? Maybe. Will ALPA cave on the 79 seater? I hope not. But, if they do--you will get the CRJ-705--a tad bit bigger than that CR7, and for the same pay. Ouch. We already have a pay rate proposal for the 100 seater---and any agreements would have scope added too. I think ALPA will stand strong for the 79 seaters and up, since 2300 super loyal captains just left the building. Even the 58% approval for the TA says something. It says a bit more and your Summer season may be a rough one.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

So what's your plan General? You gonna kill the internet? Make OPEC sell oil for for the amount of money your company's business plan was based on?
Those problems aren't going away anytime soon. Maybe flying E-190's at sub-JetBlu rates will insure your survival. Of course you'll be defending those crappy rates a lot longer than SKYW pilots will be worried about their combined rates.

Their plan is to squeeze everyone. You included. My plan? Well, it is amazing that 2300 Captains left in 18 months. Look at NW, they didn't have the lump sum option, and none of their guys are leaving. We lost 2300. Amazing. I am moving up and trying to keep my same pay by moving up to Captain on the MD88 or maybe the 738 in NYC. As far as the E190s or other 100 seaters, if the pay rate is right--the company will go for it. The key is to get the aircraft first, and then wait for the next contract to raise the pay. We have learned from past mistakes (50 and 70 seat RJs). But think about it, those rates for 100 seaters (set by Jetblue management) will affect everyone---your management will bring those same rates up during your negotiations. (when are they again?) They would have to do that----how can a 70 seater pay more than a 100 seater? That would be their first question. How can you answer that?


Bye Bye--General Lee