Skywest Pay Proposal Results....

[vtech]

You're paid more to actually fly the airplane . . . , but . . . It's not a real pay rate.

OK, you win the semantics game.

The operative words, of course, are, "You're paid more to actually fly the airplane."

Thanks for playing. I'll be sure to let my banker know it's, somehow, not real money I'm getting deposited to my checking account each month.

 

[jstyle13]

Pretty much matched ASA. Did ASA aim low too? Took them 5 years. Took Skywest less than three months. Aim's the same but at least Skywest is faster on the trigger, huh?

If we had given up and taken a concessionary contract at ASA with a pay cut, would Skywest pilots have been offered any pay raise at all......

Once an ALPA pilot group fights for a pay raise and raises the bar (by whatever amount), you guys will get a pay raise offer to keep you close won't you? Or does Skywest Mgm't just pay you more becuase they are being nice and want to share the love.

 

[Turtlesfly]

are these rates posted somewhere here?

 

[PCL_128]

OK, you win the semantics game.

The operative words, of course, are, "You're paid more to actually fly the airplane."


Thanks for playing. I'll be sure to let my banker know it's, somehow, not real money I'm getting deposited to my checking account each month.

It's not semantics, it's less money. At my airline, I only fly about 30-50 hours a month, but I get paid 85-100 hours credit. Soft pay is a big deal. Under your BHO system, people lose a lot of extra money because all of the soft pay is based on the 50-seat rate rather than the BHO rate.

 

[Smiliner]

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[Dubya]

Vtech, you probably shouldn't be comparing those 900 and 700 (hmm, sounds like a sequel to 300) to the spineless guys at Skywest, but rather to all the other pilots who fly the same equipment you do. You know, the ones you just stabbed in the back by accepting such crap rates? Methinks those 700 are pretty much on the same page as the rest of us.

Shouldn't you be on Puberty leave?

W

P.S. Shave with the grain of the peach fuzz...not against.

 

[aircowboy]

VTECH way to rah rah undercutting the ASA guys and everyone else. The Brad Holt Override is not a hard pay rate. It barely even makes up for the shorter block time that the 700 flies.

 

[vtech]

It barely even makes up for the shorter block time that the 700 flies.

You do realize the credit times for flying the 700/900 are based upon 200 times over the same route, don't you? Since we get Block or Credit, whichever is greater, the shorter block times don't make any difference. The BHO applies to block or credit, whichever is greater and the credit time is based upon what it would take the 200 to fly the route. It's hard to make a good argument against something if you don't understand how it works but keep swingin'.

 

[OverTorque]

To all the whiners - I've worked for three regionals now. First one was with ALPA, second was Teamsters and now I'm with Skywest. I make more money and am treated better now than I ever was at those other two. No exaggeration, No BS. It's simply the way it is. This is why ALPA didn't pass and why it will never pass.

 

[SkyNation]

To all the whiners - I've worked for three regionals now. First one was with ALPA, second was Teamsters and now I'm with Skywest. I make more money and am treated better now than I ever was at those other two. No exaggeration, No BS. It's simply the way it is. This is why ALPA didn't pass and why it will never pass.

OverTorque,

when I first joined this board, I tried to convey this same message. While it's true, no one here wants to hear it. You know it's true, I know it's true, and we represent the majority of pilots at SkyWest. This is a merely a piss and moan fest, so get ready to be attacked by the usual suspects. They'll try to convince you that you don't have it so great, even though your QOL, W2, and future prospects here prove otherwise.

so, get ready, 'cause here they come!

pile on, idiots!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[flashman]

OverTorque,

when I first joined this board, I tried to convey this same message. While it's true, no one here wants to hear it. You know it's true, I know it's true, and we represent the majority of pilots at SkyWest. This is a merely a piss and moan fest, so get ready to be attacked by the usual suspects. They'll try to convince you that you don't have it so great, even though your QOL, W2, and future prospects here prove otherwise.

so, get ready, 'cause here they come!

pile on, idiots!!!!!!!!!!!!

Absolutely right !

Threats and BS from all the tools hiding behind the annonimity of the internet.

Join or die attitudes, think like we think, and only ALPA knows what is right for you....and don't think anything different or else we'll mock you and think otherwise.

F' sticks like PCL and Clinton W. that have no apparent life other than to sit around and spend all their time on forums complaining.

Screw 'em. I have no sympathy or them or what they percieve is a shat sandwich....complain all you want on this and JetCareers, I don't care anymore. Those of you who know who you are need to worry more about getting laid and getting off the internet and complaining about Skywest.

I'm in the majority, I voted YES and and voted for DB.

And quit calling me your brother.

 

[yellowfever]

Well, you ignore the question and tell us what you "believe" about a contract somewhere. Good debate. Ignore the question and provide no factual information.

So which airline contract has a COLA that has kept pace with inflation over the past 7 years?

The average Skywest pilot makes ~45,000 dollars a year. Your 3% pay raise will cost Skywest less than 4.5 million dollars. ASA secured 13.5 million in retro. pay for ~1700 pilots. That averages out to over five years of your one year pay raise per pilot at ASA. Way to defend it though...I'm sure you're happy.

 

[XPOO]

And yet, SkyWest pilot's will also benefit more on their quaterly bonus as the profit margin keeps rising. And then they'll benefit even higher than that when the stock price goes up. These are the things none of you take into account whe trying to fogure out how much money a SkyWest employee makes. Another other regionals out there wanna compare their stock price? Options? Quarterly Bonuses? The majority of SkyWest pilots voted for a raise. Congratulations to them because they all deserved it. And a year from now, I'm certain they'll be getting another one.

 

[bmpilot2003]

OK, you win the semantics game.

The operative words, of course, are, "You're paid more to actually fly the airplane."

Thanks for playing. I'll be sure to let my banker know it's, somehow, not real money I'm getting deposited to my checking account each month.

vtech its not semantics a real pay rate means you get paid the same for SOFT and HARD time. If you have a whole month of 70 trips and take vacation on some you get get paid the 200 rate for the vacation you took. Equals LESS money, with a REAL rate this wouldn't happen.

 

[Chairman]

The average Skywest pilot makes ~45,000 dollars a year.quote]

How do you come up with that number since any second year FO can make that? As a former SkyW guy I would like to have seen a much better agreement for these guys and to have a hard rate for the 700/900, but remember this was a mid term agreement increase from the one set not to expire until Dec 2010. How regardless of the rates how many ALPA carriers have gotten a raise prior to the contract expiring?

 

[bmpilot2003]

The average Skywest pilot makes ~45,000 dollars a year.quote]

How do you come up with that number since any second year FO can make that? As a former SkyW guy I would like to have seen a much better agreement for these guys and to have a hard rate for the 700/900, but remember this was a mid term agreement increase from the one set not to expire until Dec 2010. How regardless of the rates how many ALPA carriers have gotten a raise prior to the contract expiring?

Thats pretty close considering 60% of the pilot group has been here 3 years or less.

 

[Dubya]

The average Skywest pilot makes ~45,000 dollars a year.quote]

How do you come up with that number since any second year FO can make that? As a former SkyW guy I would like to have seen a much better agreement for these guys and to have a hard rate for the 700/900, but remember this was a mid term agreement increase from the one set not to expire until Dec 2010. How regardless of the rates how many ALPA carriers have gotten a raise prior to the contract expiring?

I'll give everyone a hint...it's between 0 and 1.

W

 

[yellowfever]

The average Skywest pilot makes ~45,000 dollars a year.quote]

How do you come up with that number since any second year FO can make that? As a former SkyW guy I would like to have seen a much better agreement for these guys and to have a hard rate for the 700/900, but remember this was a mid term agreement increase from the one set not to expire until Dec 2010. How regardless of the rates how many ALPA carriers have gotten a raise prior to the contract expiring?

Get in touch with T Coyle...a former SAPA rep. He can give you accurate information on what an average pilot there makes. As far as a mid-term agreement and comparing it to an ALPA carrier...I'm not sure that's fair. If negotiations were conducted at Skywest under the RLA, then I don't think the original pay agreement would have been voted in. Still...I'm surprised that your pilot group doesn't value their skillset more.

BTW 45,000 includes the performance rewards.

 

[sweptback]

I'll give everyone a hint...it's between 0 and 1.

W

It's actually more than that.

ASA did with LOA 29 in Contract 1998.

XJT did with their charter pay package.

NWA got 150% pay back over 80 hours plus various work rules.

UAL just signed a TA bring narrowbody workrules up to their widebody standard.

You were saying?

 

[Dubya]

It's actually more than that.

ASA did with LOA 29 in Contract 1998.

XJT did with their charter pay package.

NWA got 150% pay back over 80 hours plus various work rules.

UAL just signed a TA bring narrowbody workrules up to their widebody standard.

You were saying?

Funny how splitting hairs is ok...when it supports your stance.

W

 

[sweptback]

Funny how splitting hairs is ok...when it supports your stance.

W

Your question was to name pilot groups that received pay raises before the amendable date of their contract. I named four off the top of my head.

Tell me again how I was splitting hairs?

 

[Goose Egg]

He's seriously 'bout ready to walk away from the cockpit forever.

That's funny, I feel the same way about flightinfo.

-Goose

 

[Dubya]

Your question was to name pilot groups that received pay raises before the amendable date of their contract. I named four off the top of my head.

Tell me again how I was splitting hairs?

Because...to my knowledge...none of those cases were renegotiated pay scales. I was under the impression that this thread was about SkyWest getting a new "pay scale".
The splitting hairs comment stems from all of the chest thumping and claiming this and that in the name of whatever cause you support...be it ALPA, SAPA, Kool Aid, large breasts, or Farm Aid.
Your examples don't fit the criteria.

W

 

[DoinTime]

It's actually more than that.

ASA did with LOA 29 in Contract 1998.

XJT did with their charter pay package.

NWA got 150% pay back over 80 hours plus various work rules.

UAL just signed a TA bring narrowbody workrules up to their widebody standard.

You were saying?

Pinnacle's current agreement (which included pay raises) was signed three years prior to the amendable date of the old contract.

 

[sweptback]

Because...to my knowledge...none of those cases were renegotiated pay scales. I was under the impression that this thread was about SkyWest getting a new "pay scale".
The splitting hairs comment stems from all of the chest thumping and claiming this and that in the name of whatever cause you support...be it ALPA, SAPA, Kool Aid, large breasts, or Farm Aid.
Your examples don't fit the criteria.

W

ASA for sure was a pay rate increase, and I believe ExpressJet was as well (but I could be wrong on that one).

 

[Dubya]

ASA for sure was a pay rate increase, and I believe ExpressJet was as well (but I could be wrong on that one).

Ok..then it's between 1 and 2!

W

 

[Superpilot92]

Absolutely right !

Threats and BS from all the tools hiding behind the annonimity of the internet.

Join or die attitudes, think like we think, and only ALPA knows what is right for you....and don't think anything different or else we'll mock you and think otherwise.

F' sticks like PCL and Clinton W. that have no apparent life other than to sit around and spend all their time on forums complaining.

Screw 'em. I have no sympathy or them or what they percieve is a shat sandwich....complain all you want on this and JetCareers, I don't care anymore. Those of you who know who you are need to worry more about getting laid and getting off the internet and complaining about Skywest.

I'm in the majority, I voted YES and and voted for DB.

And quit calling me your brother.

I dont have a stand on this but heres my observation.

Your real quick to post peoples names and call people out on the Internet. Why dont you post your name F'Stick? Or are you yourself "hiding behind the Internet"?

Whats wrong with people fighting for what they deserve? Your company is making money hand over fist and can afford to pay you more. Why sell yourself short?

 

[Superpilot92]

ASA for sure was a pay rate increase, and I believe ExpressJet was as well (but I could be wrong on that one).

Your right about XJT. It was an increase across the board as well as substantial gains for the charter guys= $18 an hour overide. All that was before the end of the contract and was signed upon a contract extension. Also included were many contractual QOL gains for all pilots. Good Stuff.:beer:

 

[Dubya]

I dont have a stand on this but heres my observation.

Your real quick to post peoples names and call people out on the Internet. Why dont you post your name F'Stick? Or are you yourself "hiding behind the Internet"?

Whats wrong with people fighting for what they deserve? Your company is making money hand over fist and can afford to pay you more. Why sell yourself short?

Really?

W

 

[imacdog]

I can think of a unionized pilot group (no, not necessarily ALPA) that just secured a fairly substantial pay raise well before the expiration of their contract, along with QOL improvements. Does that count? Anyway carry on, that $21/hr or whatever it is sounds pretty impressive.