SkyWest flying out of ATL in Dec.

[AutoTransfer]

Also, thanks for clearing up my misconception regarding the promised pay raise. I understand now that Management said it would be worth it. So far for the Skywest pilots, it seems to have worked out.

AT

 

[AutoTransfer]

I would like nothing more that to have Skywest pilots be a unified group. I have no interest in us being unified with you. You are a different company than us. I had no interest in Skywest Inc buying you guys. Is Comair unified with Delta...No. Is Chitaqua unified with Trans States. No. Is Eagle unified with American...No. Should Skywest be unified, yes. Should Skywest unify with ASA, not nessisarily.

Skaff,
My definition of unity with the ASA pilots is not synonymous with integration. I refer to unity in representation and negotiation. I truly don't care if you organize under ALPA, some other representational organization or even your own personal group (ALA IPA at UPS). My concern is that until you are represented by someone (other than SAPA) both of our groups are in jeopardy of the management whipsaw (mine currently, perhaps yours later).

I think the reason ALPA is touted as your savior by many on this board is in the event there is a merger, you may be better represented with a merge if you are organized under the same labor union. The pilot group at large there will have to decide if this potentiality is worth endorsing ALPA.

The Skywest pilots' decision to organize, ALPA or otherwise, will send a decisive message to ASA pilots as to the support we will receive from them.
The ASA pilots will have some tough decisions to make then, whether they should stay the course of negotiations or adjust their strategy. I don't say this as a scare tactic either, just the truth of the matter as I see it.

AT

 

[jjlaw1]

I am glad that I live in a country that allows one to express his opinion!

 

[ohplease!]

Unfortunately, you don't get it. It's not about DAL saving money. It's about the fiasco caused almost every day by your company and MESA in ATL.

All of you Wigwamrepublishuttle dorks are a bunch of kids with no experience or common sense, regardless of position. The Windbreaker boys are in the same boat as you guys. Why do you think you were all moved off of Concourse C? Yeh, yeh....."my baby 737 with auto throttles needs a jet way ashhole". Not what I'm talking about. With all of the maintenance issues, crew issues, load issues, stupid issues, etc., you were a waste of time for us on Concourse C. Oh yeh, we have our own problems, but didn't need yours on top of ours to complicate things more.

To make things worse, most of you can't even listen to instructions or execute them properly when given to you by ground controllers in ATL. It hasn't become the world's busiest airport in both passenger activities and aircraft activities on it's own. If you come here, you need to listen and do what you're told. Want some examples??? No problem:

1.) A few days ago, ATL had weather issues. Unfortunately, that means launching off of 27L and landing on 27R because some overpaid engineer couldn't measure 50 feet properly. Anyway, long taxiouts for departure. While waiting to cross 27R to launch off of 27L, I watched a BA777 land on 27R, and he had his reversers deployed well before taxiway Dixie, and was off on the first highspeed. Along comes one of your mighty E-170's. Tower asked them to plan on the first available turnoff for departing heavy traffic on the same runway. This request was acknowledged as "no problem". The "professional" floated forever, and didn't get off until the very end. The Lufthansa heavy was in position. This caused an MD-88 to go around, followed by a CR7. This also stopped all departures off of 27L, because of the go around traffic. An additional 10 minute departure delay (added onto the already 40 for taxiout) due to a dorkboy who couldn't land an aircraft.

2.) With the construction on the North side, most arrivals are on the South side. Tower will usually cross traffic over 27R/9L with the request of "Call sign only, unless you have a question." One of your jungle dorks are number 3 to cross, and a DL767 just took off. The first person responds with call sign only, as well as the 2nd. Dork boy answers the entire readback. This stops the tower from crossing an additional 3 aircraft, due to time, as the tower states this. When transfering to ground, said dork boy turns the wrong way, onto the wrong taxiway, and has a Mexican Standoff with a DL757, which blocks the taxiway and ramp area for close to 10 minutes until ground can get things moved around enough to allow them to clear each other.

Such situations with you clowns don't only occur in ATL, either. I've seen too many situations with you immature dorks in too many cities. Need more than 2? PM me and I'll feed you my file.

At least we can expect the Skywest men and women to act professionally and do their jobs accordingly, as we did in SLC. Everyone has issues, but there are way too many with you clowns. It's more about age and maturity than with anything else.

BTW, it's spelled "doesn't", not "doesnt", which is short for "does not". Like I said, it's a maturity thing.


LTG

not to defend anyone here but, I've witnessed DAL, AA, ASA and Comair do pretty much the same thing. That being said, I've never seen ANY OTHER CARRIER foul up a ramp like those to remain nameless ( erj's in DAL colors off ramp 4 & 5 ). Talk about not paying attention, working in the system, reading the 10-10/10-9 pages. What would EVER give ANYONE the idea to come to the end of the ramp, stop in the MIDDLE of the ramp opening and then take an extraordinarily long amount of time to call ground for clearance? Not to mention the many other silly things I've watched their crews do.

 

[SkyNation]

AutoTransfer,

thanks for being a level headed fellow. I'm confident most guys at ASA are like you in that regard. You'll also find that most guys here at SkyWest are as well. In super general, boiled down terms, I think the consensus attitude you'll find here is 'we seem to have better than anyone else, why should we be in such a hurry to change?' I have also heard comments, however, to the effect of 'those ASA guys hate us. I'm not going anywhere near their crewroom.'

as an aside, would you accept a carbon copy of our working agreement at ASA? I know this hasn't been offered, but if it was, would you take it?

 

[FORESTGUMP]

as an aside, would you accept a carbon copy of our working agreement at ASA? I know this hasn't been offered, but if it was, would you take it?

yep.......

 

[rightseatjocky]

Can you send me a pic of your house? I might want to buy it when your on the street. At a discout of course.

IT'S DISCOUNT. LOL LEARN TO SPELL

 

[VeeOne]

Yep........

 

[AutoTransfer]

I would have to look more closely at the working agreement at Skywest. I think in general terms, the current agreement at Skywest might be amenable to the majority of the ASA pilot group with the following modifications:
1) our current 70-seat rates (probably a 70/90 combined) with some sort of COLA raise for the past four years and the future term of the contract.
2) Some incentives for the current IP cadre (I think some of the best in the business) to continue their tenure in the training department.

I also know that PBS comes along with that and that will be a tough cultural sell with our pilot group. I think it can be bought with the financial incentives listed above.

Bear in mind though, that I am in no way involved in negotiations or the leadership of our MEC. The above is just one pilots opinion. You asked for it you got it.

Also, I don't think anyone at ASA hates Skywest pilots. I believe that some fear that Skywest pilots are swimming in their gains at our expense. I don't think the majority of SKYW pilots feel that way. What I do know is like it or not, we (your group and mine) are in this together now and we should start acting accordingly.

AT

 

[ohplease!]

The above is just one pilots opinion.

AT

add me to that and that makes 3. I also personally know MANY others who'd answer the same way. I'm willing to bet if JA floated that idea to the ASA group, it would pass easily. Tie in combining lists in some "fair"way and its a lock for sure.

 

[COOPERVANE]

as an aside, would you accept a carbon copy of our working agreement at ASA? I know this hasn't been offered, but if it was, would you take it?

Me too, but they're not offering it. Just QOL cuts and .004 payraise for next 14 years

 

[Long Time Gone]

not to defend anyone here but, I've witnessed DAL, AA, ASA and Comair do pretty much the same thing. That being said, I've never seen ANY OTHER CARRIER foul up a ramp like those to remain nameless ( erj's in DAL colors off ramp 4 & 5 ).

Like I said, everyone has issues, but there are way too many with those clowns. Notice I refered to them (chittiytaugrepublishuttle) and Mesa only as boys, and Skywest as men and women. That was no accident.

Thanks for the backup.

LTG

 

[jjlaw1]

I was in the crew lounge when JA came to ATL to meet the people, He offered your current (what ever SKW has) to our group.

 

[BeachBummer]

Not to bring this to the original topic or anything, but Scott Hall said in recurent that SYW was going to have 900s in ATL in Dec.

HAHAHAHAHAAAAA i dont even know what this thred is about. Scott Hall said!!!!!! thats funny as hell, That guy also said chicago express would have 700's flyin for ata last year, and somthin about upgrade in 6months and about 50 other things off the top of my head.... believe that about as far as you can.... well i think you get the point....


LOL!

no but really... scott is a great manager.... manager... don't beleive his ********************

 

[Tomct]

I was in the crew lounge when JA came to ATL to meet the people, He offered your current (what ever SKW has) to our group.

Ah, never heard THAT. Anyone I know that was there said that all he said was we were to expensive.... RIIIIIIIIIGHT!!

On a side note....the skywst agreement with a modest payraise, QOL and cleaned up language just might work around here! Yet notice, they are not even offering that.....WHY you ask....because our mgmnt is a BUNCH OF JACK@SSES!!!!! If there were an award for "Mismgmnt," they would certainly be the WEENERS!!!