SKYW profits plunge, still no fourlough?

[CFI2766]

here is a connection for ya'.....alpa's unnecessary delaying of reaching a contract agreement directly leading to the diversion of -900 deliveries to Skywest Airlines and possibly Pinnacle.

But hey, I know, thats comparing apples to apples. Not fair, I know I know.

Really? Do elaborate.

That wasn't my view of the situation. Do you have information otherwise?

 

[CFI2766]

Skywest isn't furloughing because they are NON union. ASA is furloughing because they are union.

Partially agree.

However, there is a degree of truth in nearly every statement.

Fer instance: "Brown to the bone likes to get his bone brown."

See, a grain of truth.

 

[SkyNation]

Skywest is the best regional out there. They are the elite.

in terms of our management team, business model and track record I think you can actually make that argument.

 

[RJLoser]

Originally Posted by Browntothebone
Skywest isn't furloughing because they are NON union. ASA is furloughing because they are union.


-For the first time I agree with Browntothebone.

Name one (1) Industry that has been more successful with unions. Unfortunately, once the line has been crossed into union representation there is no going back.

 

[Speedtape]

here is a connection for ya'.....alpa's unnecessary delaying of reaching a contract agreement directly leading to the diversion of -900 deliveries to Skywest Airlines and possibly Pinnacle.

But hey, I know, thats comparing apples to apples. Not fair, I know I know.

WADR, those planes were going to Skywest, anyway. Nothing was going to change that--Union or no Union.

 

[sweptback]

WADR, those planes were going to Skywest, anyway. Nothing was going to change that--Union or no Union.

ASA was something like last place in every major performance statistic. We were so bad that certain carriers that SKYW, Inc. was shopping us to didn't want to do business with us. There was no way that we were getting those 900s, it was just all a ploy to try and get the pilots to cave.

Now that the performance statistics are much closer between East and West there's little reason to automatically exclude ASA from new flying, as evidenced by the recent 900s coming to ASA.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Really? Do elaborate.

That wasn't my view of the situation. Do you have information otherwise?

The deal that was finally reached could have been reached at least a year earlier....It wasn't until we dropped the big 700 payraise, Bfund retirement, 100% retro, and status quo instructor sections....that an agreement was finally achieved....That delay hurt us....

 

[JoeMerchant]

ASA was something like last place in every major performance statistic. We were so bad that certain carriers that SKYW, Inc. was shopping us to didn't want to do business with us. There was no way that we were getting those 900s, it was just all a ploy to try and get the pilots to cave.

Now that the performance statistics are much closer between East and West there's little reason to automatically exclude ASA from new flying, as evidenced by the recent 900s coming to ASA.

Keep telling yourself that....Jerry was playing poker with a better hand....ALPA thought they had more power than they did and it cost us....

 

[Speedtape]

The deal that was finally reached could have been reached at least a year earlier....It wasn't until we dropped the big 700 payraise, Bfund retirement, 100% retro, and status quo instructor sections....that an agreement was finally achieved....That delay hurt us....

That only paints a partial picture. You know that money issues are held to the end. A year earlier, there was no threat of a release because the NMB was still making us jump through hoops. The pilots had not demonstrated their frustrations--enough. And the other side had no reason to settle. From all reports, there were some major changes in some of those areas that increased labor's leverage. Had we rolled over a year earlier, you would be complaining about even more deficiencies that would not have been resolved.

I guess in '98 we could have settled that contract a year earlier, also? We certainly would not have achieved "Pay for Training!" You know better than to make that argument!

 

[sweptback]

Keep telling yourself that....Jerry was playing poker with a better hand....ALPA thought they had more power than they did and it cost us....

Let's be honest here. You're telling me that if you were Jerry, you would have given those airplanes to ASA over SkyWest? Even though every other week we were in the newspapers, on CNN, etc. as America's worst airline?