SKYW profits plunge, still no fourlough?

[Speedtape]

Let's be honest here. You're telling me that if you were Jerry, you would have given those airplanes to ASA over SkyWest? Even though every other week we were in the newspapers, on CNN, etc. as America's worst airline?

He can't submit to that concept, because it would diminish his ability to attack ALPA and the MEC! He knows full well how it all works. His negotiating term benefitted from the same "shift" in '98 that occurred in '07 with the pilot group and the NMB. He knows very well how the process works.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Skywest is the best regional out there. They are the elite. Even their skymag has a section in the back about how they hire the best pilots and well trained pilots with thousands of hours of experience. I'm just waiting till they get their first Airbus or 737 so I can join, though I think it looks like RAH will be the first one to do that.

Finally,
An airline you are finally qualified to work for:
http://petairways.com/content/our-planes
But you are gonna pick up dog poop as a pettendant though!
PBR
P.S. The thought of you polishing dog taters is a appropriate!

 

[CFI2766]

The deal that was finally reached could have been reached at least a year earlier....It wasn't until we dropped the big 700 payraise, Bfund retirement, 100% retro, and status quo instructor sections....that an agreement was finally achieved....That delay hurt us....

Is it your position that the contract was wrapped up only because of these changes?

No other factors?

 

[ohplease!]

Really? Do elaborate.

That wasn't my view of the situation. Do you have information otherwise?

I'm simply going by the opinion of the ASA alpa leadership expressed during an open meeting at the alpa office.

Are you saying they were lying about it? Or maybe just "stretching" a little....hmm?

 

[ohplease!]

Is it your position that the contract was wrapped up only because of these changes?

No other factors?

I'm certain he's not saying that. Of course there were other factors. Seems to me he is simply pointing out the glaring, obvious TRUTH of the matter. Something many folks around these parts refuse to admit to.

 

[CFI2766]

I'm simply going by the opinion of the ASA alpa leadership expressed during an open meeting at the alpa office.

Are you saying they were lying about it? Or maybe just "stretching" a little....hmm?

No, I'm not speculating about a meeting that I wasn't at, that I knew nothing of.

I thought perhaps you were referring to events of the summer prior to the contract wrapping up.

In sum, I don't think that all the credit for the contract being wrapped up should go to either ALPA or ASA management entirely. There was a lot of really 'safe' flying that probably contributed to a sense of urgency on the part of the the company.

 

[sunlitpath]

skywest and asa are the same company. duh

 

[CFI2766]

Seems to me he is simply pointing out the glaring, obvious TRUTH of the matter. Something many folks around these parts refuse to admit to.[/quote]


Okay, I must be missing it. What is the glaring obvious TRUTH of the matter? No sarcasm, I just don't get what you are saying. What are you implying by saying that 'many folks around these parts refuse to admit...'?


My memory is kinda vague on this subject, frankly, but weren't a large 70 pay raise, Bfund, and full retro the tenets of an alternative platform to ALPA that was solidly defeated when voted on by the pilot group at ASA?

 

[LazyLightnin']

With that in mind, I assume Skywest will have to continue covering flights for ASA for the duration of the next 3 months of "unsurpassed" number of block hours.

 

[JoeMerchant]

That only paints a partial picture. You know that money issues are held to the end. A year earlier, there was no threat of a release because the NMB was still making us jump through hoops.

I didn't paint the "partial picture"...you did....The 4 issues I pointed out that were unreasonable on our side were given up after the election....The NMB was never going to give us a release...just like they were not going to release us in '98...You know that....

The pilots had not demonstrated their frustrations--enough. And the other side had no reason to settle. From all reports, there were some major changes in some of those areas that increased labor's leverage. Had we rolled over a year earlier, you would be complaining about even more deficiencies that would not have been resolved.

I wanted us to get the 900s and grow....I am no longer concerned with having the "best pay"....The rules have changed...and even you understand that.....

I guess in '98 we could have settled that contract a year earlier, also? We certainly would not have achieved "Pay for Training!" You know better than to make that argument!

This isn't '98 any more....the rules have changed...Your revisionist history is amusing...You do realize that PFT reimbursement was in the first TA before I got involved...Look it up...

This isn't '98 anymore....The rules have changed....