Skyw pay vote

[Baze]

I'm glad I got outta SKYW when I did.

 

[rickair7777]

And what if they are not? What if they get stuck there when all the growth is done? What if they live in one of the bases where there are no RJs and want to stay on the airplane? What if they just like the plane and their seniority on it? I guess that's punishment for doing the hardest flying at the company.

What is the gain in voting no? A show of solidarity?

What do the bro folks think? A solidarity vote or a small CRJ raise (that you can enjoy if you transition)?

Honest question here...

 

[swoopyswoop]

The raise is to insignificant to lock in through 2010. 1%, why would you want to be commited to that for 4 years?

 

[SSDD]

1% is less than the 1.2% they offered a year ago. The 5% override for the 700/900 is more like 3% when you're done with all the exceptions. This offer is cheaper for Skywest than the last one. Sorry!

VOTED NO!

 

[PCL_128]

This is utterly false BS that has been fabricated by someone. For about the third time, I am asking for verifiable references regarding this language...

Anyone?

I didn't think so.

Note: If this language can actually be verified, I will experience a dramatic change in political philosophy...

It is accurate. I don't have the references handy, but I suspect that Rez O. Lewshun has them. Try sending a PM to him.

 

[CFIT]

I'm glad I got outta SKYW when I did.

I'm glad you got out too....

 

[CFIT]

Got Alpa

Do you have a brain of your own?

 

[Splert]

Our profit margin is not that great, around 5% post tax, maybe 8% pretax. I get a little tired of people talking about record profits. Yes it's true, but it's the profit margin that really matters. If our profit margin goes much lower then we start having problems getting the best financing deals and if we loose that advantage then we'll be looking at pay cuts for sure.

I think they can afford to do better than this package, but we should be realistic about the position managment is in.

Scott

SKYW continues to generate good, strong book value per share, which increased [to] $17.26 per share at the end of 2Q06. 9. Income Statement: 1. The impact of increasing fuel prices is having a pretty significant impact, both in topline revenue, as well as some margin impact. 1. As SKYW looks at margin, whether it's operating margin or earnings before tax (EBT) margin, it's being impacted by the increase in fuel prices where the Co. is capped at a certain level at which it obtains margin on some of the fuel costs. 2. For the remaining fuel costs, although 100% reimbursed by the Co.'s major partners in contracts line, SKYW doesn't get a margin on a portion of that. 1. As fuel prices have continued to increase, it has tended to pull margin down. 2. But at the same time, the Co. is still generating the absolute dollars of net income that it has expected. SKYW continues to generate good, strong book value per share, which increased [to] $17.26 per share at the end of 2Q06. 9. Income Statement: 1. The impact of increasing fuel prices is having a pretty significant impact, both in topline revenue, as well as some margin impact. 1. As SKYW looks at margin, whether it's operating margin or earnings before tax (EBT) margin, it's being impacted by the increase in fuel prices where the Co. is capped at a certain level at which it obtains margin on some of the fuel costs. 2. For the remaining fuel costs, although 100% reimbursed by the Co.'s major partners in contracts line, SKYW doesn't get a margin on a portion of that. 1. As fuel prices have continued to increase, it has tended to pull margin down. 2. But at the same time, the Co. is still generating the absolute dollars of net income that it has expected.

Stick to flying aeroplanes, Scott. SkyWest is recording profits. Due you ever listen to Brad Rich?

Management is in a great position. You and they/SAPA may point to NOM or MBIP but ROE is almost 15%. NOM is down simply because SkyWest is not at-risk for fluctuations in fuel expense (amongst other expenses). See Brad quote above. For instance, if fuel is budgeted at $250 million, SkyWest earns a margin on this amount. However, when fuel comes in at $500 million SkyWest will only earn a margin on $250 but $500 million flows though as revenue and expense, thereby impacting the NOM or MBIP%. Sorry if you don’t understand this and clearly you don’t because you keep defending the ridiculous position of SkyWest management and SAPA, opps same thing, that SkyWest isn’t earning all that much by point to the NOM% reductions.

 

[capt. megadeth]

What is the gain in voting no? A show of solidarity?

What do the bro folks think? A solidarity vote or a small CRJ raise (that you can enjoy if you transition)?

Honest question here...

YES A SOLIDARITY VOTE!

C'mon rickair, I thought you were better than that.

I asked honest questions in my last post too.

I am sure if you were on the Bro you would feel differently.

 

[Leroy Smith]

Things always look a little different when it's your ox being gored.

 

[www.]

YES A SOLIDARITY VOTE!

C'mon rickair, I thought you were better than that.

I asked honest questions in my last post too.

I am sure if you were on the Bro you would feel differently.

Come on Mega... You've been around the industry awhile. Do you really think there is "solidarity" at Skywest? Maybe among the senior guys that can see through the BS factor.

 

[rickair7777]

YES A SOLIDARITY VOTE!

C'mon rickair, I thought you were better than that.

I asked honest questions in my last post too.

I am sure if you were on the Bro you would feel differently.

Note: I have a SB for upgrade into the EMB. I'm looking at this more as a large sum of money to be distrubuted to the pilot group as a whole, not necessarily in an equitable manner, and not necessarily to me in the near term. But maybe better than letting the company just keep it...

 

[embdrvr]

This is utterly false BS that has been fabricated by someone. For about the third time, I am asking for verifiable references regarding this language...

Anyone?

I didn't think so.

Note: If this language can actually be verified, I will experience a dramatic change in political philosophy...

Call ALPA. It's not BS. That language was in the Port Security Bill signed by the president. Luckily ALPA lobbyists were able to get it removed. Bush hates unions with a passion. We're lucky that Congress has been cleansed of the GOP majority. Those are politicians that would support allowing Chinese airlines to fly point to point in the US. They already started doing that by allowing Asian cargo carriers to make a fuel stop in ANC before continuing to the US east coast.

Know your enemy is all I can say. If putting food on your table and providing a future for your children matters to you, back the PAC. That is if you intend to remain in the piloting profession.

 

[embdrvr]

Pay vote prediction:
It passes with 60% or more voting yes.
SKYW pilots have a history of ignoring the effects their decision has on the rest of the industry.
And SAPA (Selling out All Pilots Apologetically) aka the SKYW future management club is encouraging everyone to vote yes by proclaiming it as a giant victory. Yahoo we've split the scales and got an expiration date.
BFD. Forget about the EMB drivers. They can fly the jet if they want a raise. Plus they already make more than GLA and Mesa. Why should they be able to participate?
Forget about debating the merits of the TA.
Which SAPA rep will be the next CP or other managment position as a reward for pulling the wool over the pilot's eyes?

 

[rickair7777]

Call ALPA. It's not BS. That language was in the Port Security Bill signed by the president. Luckily ALPA lobbyists were able to get it removed. Bush hates unions with a passion. We're lucky that Congress has been cleansed of the GOP majority. Those are politicians that would support allowing Chinese airlines to fly point to point in the US. They already started doing that by allowing Asian cargo carriers to make a fuel stop in ANC before continuing to the US east coast.

Know your enemy is all I can say. If putting food on your table and providing a future for your children matters to you, back the PAC. That is if you intend to remain in the piloting profession.

I will call alpa.

But if it was in the bill signed by the president, it is now LAW. There is no way to modify a bill after it is signed, that has to happen when the bill is still in congress, BEFORE being sent to the president.

 

[rickair7777]

Call ALPA. It's not BS. That language was in the Port Security Bill signed by the president. Luckily ALPA lobbyists were able to get it removed. Bush hates unions with a passion. We're lucky that Congress has been cleansed of the GOP majority. Those are politicians that would support allowing Chinese airlines to fly point to point in the US. They already started doing that by allowing Asian cargo carriers to make a fuel stop in ANC before continuing to the US east coast.

Know your enemy is all I can say. If putting food on your table and providing a future for your children matters to you, back the PAC. That is if you intend to remain in the piloting profession.

I called alpa national. They don't know a thing about it, but said they would do some research and get back to me.

There are also no press releases on their web site regarding this.. You'de think something this significant would be worthy of public mention.

 

[embdrvr]

I called alpa national. They don't know a thing about it, but said they would do some research and get back to me.

There are also no press releases on their web site regarding this.. You'de think something this significant would be worthy of public mention.

Maybe you should read the ALPA magazine.
Ask someone for the last few issues. It was in an article a few months ago. I've given my copies away to some unrepresented pilots.

 

[capt. megadeth]

And SAPA (Selling out All Pilots Apologetically) aka the SKYW future management club is encouraging everyone to vote yes by proclaiming it as a giant victory.

I love it!

Well, I emailed all these schmucks and they didn't even have the decency to write me back.......things that make ya go hmmmmmm

 

[embdrvr]

Rick,
That might have gone out in an ALPA FASTREAD email as well. I can't remember for sure if it was in the magazine or in a FASTREAD email. Does anyone save the FASTREAD's?

 

[embdrvr]

I love it!

Well, I emailed all these schmucks and they didn't even have the decency to write me back.......things that make ya go hmmmmmm

They answer to the folks who sign their paycheck, not you.
Pretty arrogant bunch that doesn't handle criticism well from what I can tell.

 

[capt. megadeth]

They answer to the folks who sign their paycheck, not you.
Pretty arrogant bunch that doesn't handle criticism well from what I can tell.

I understand that but they should answer to the group they supposedly represent. What do they have to be arrogant about? They can't even negotiate a fair pay package. Obviously they are all on the RJ....otherwise they would be singing a different tune. It's a shame that everyone is so much about themselves to the point they just sell others down the river right in front of their face. I know I don't work there but I just wanted to tell them they should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[MarineGrunt]

1% is just as, if not more insulting than no raise at all.... If I were on the Bro, I'd probably be laughing and saying - "enjoy you're extra $300/yr boys!"

 

[capt. megadeth]

1% is just as, if not more insulting than no raise at all.

I agree completely.

 

[PCL_128]

Rick,
That might have gone out in an ALPA FASTREAD email as well. I can't remember for sure if it was in the magazine or in a FASTREAD email. Does anyone save the FASTREAD's?

Couldn't find it in any of the Fastreads, but I did find it in a message that Captain Woerth sent to the BOD. Here it is:

Port Security Bill, PBGC, RFPs – Oct. 2, 2006

This is a message to the Board of Directors on Monday, October 2. I have three issues to brief.

The first issue is the continued attacks on American workers’ right to strike, particularly transportation workers. As you know, Congress has recessed, but before they left, there were some astoundingly egregious attempts to further erode workers’ rights to strike, particularly in transportation. In the Port Security bill that went to conference, there was an attempt to introduce language to equate a legal strike by port workers with an act of terrorism, and that would allow the president to mobilize the armed forces to take over the docks in the event of a strike. We mobilized the Transportation Trades Department of the AFL-CIO instead and had that language killed.

In the same Port Security bill, attempts were made to legislate language about crimes that would prohibit transportation workers from being allowed to work and get a security clearance. Transportation-security-incident language was introduced to make it possible to interpret participation in a legal strike as a disqualifying event to work in transportation. Again, we had to work extremely hard in the late hours before Congress left to get that language killed, but we did. Transportation workers, you are not paranoid. They are out to get you and limit your rights as free Americans.

This seems like a good time to remind our members about the importance of the ALPA-PAC. The economic climate for our industry is improving—rapidly—but if we do not maximize our ability to change the political climate as soon as possible in this November’s election, our rights will be further diminished.

Secondly, I want to update you on the continued threats and intimidation tactics that managements are using in the RFP, or Request For Proposal, process, both in the Delta and Northwest bankruptcies in the fee-for-departure capacity contest. Mesaba has continued to be threatened in the bankruptcy process. Pinnacle pilots are being pressured to accept an inferior contract to “win” the Northwest contract flying. Comair is also in the bankruptcy process, and in its wholly owned status with Delta, that sham bid process is exposed to an even greater extent. And, of course, the pilots of Atlantic Southeast are demanding resolution to their over-four-year struggle to get a new contract by a request to the National Mediation Board to be released.

Again, that all of this is coming to a head in the RFP world at the same time is no accident. This RFP process is the last desperate act by management as the bankruptcy era comes to an end.

Item #3: The Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation is up to its predictable behavior of trying to extort, this time, Delta Airlines over its pension plan termination. They did the same thing at United. In fact, the PBGC is trying to make pension plan termination a profit center for itself, just like the ATSB did. The PBGC is composed of political appointees, just like the ATSB was.

Did I mention the ALPA-PAC already?
​

 

[HelloNewman]

Pay vote prediction:
It passes with 60% or more voting yes.
SKYW pilots have a history of ignoring the effects their decision has on the rest of the industry.
And SAPA (Selling out All Pilots Apologetically) aka the SKYW future management club is encouraging everyone to vote yes by proclaiming it as a giant victory. Yahoo we've split the scales and got an expiration date.
BFD. Forget about the EMB drivers. They can fly the jet if they want a raise. Plus they already make more than GLA and Mesa. Why should they be able to participate?
Forget about debating the merits of the TA.
Which SAPA rep will be the next CP or other managment position as a reward for pulling the wool over the pilot's eyes?

The effects on the industry really do not concern me. The others in the industry will end up doing whats best for them one way or the other. I am most concerned with padding my wallet and saving union dues money. You have to live for the moment and yourself. You can not spend your life worrying about everyone else. This is why I vote yes for the raise and no for the union. Lets face it the EMB is a dying breed. We can thank our friends at MESA for all the new weight restrictions placed on the EMB. Don't worry it only takes a year to get off the brasillia. Pulling the wool over the pilots eyes? Please you sound like a dramatic high school girl. It is what it is. A payraise. Not the greatest but not the worst either. I also predict a pass but we will see in a couple of days.

 

[HelloNewman]

I understand that but they should answer to the group they supposedly represent. What do they have to be arrogant about? They can't even negotiate a fair pay package. Obviously they are all on the RJ....otherwise they would be singing a different tune. It's a shame that everyone is so much about themselves to the point they just sell others down the river right in front of their face. I know I don't work there but I just wanted to tell them they should be ashamed of themselves.

It's not selling everyone else out. The brasillia boys have had a choice for years to come to the RJ. They decide not to which is their right. They like the base they live in and that is fine. The Brasillias days are numbered unfortunately. In 2003 when Mesa and their crap maintenance imposed all these weight restrictions is where the real problem lies. You can thank Mesa for no raise on the brasillia. No worry though there are plenty of openings on the RJ. The brasillia is a dying fleet anyway. We can all say THANKS MESA for that one.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

ahh.. nevermind.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

What happens after that? The obvious logic if you're not happy with the pay proposal is to take the free money now, and vote in alpa later.

If you don't take the money and the alpa vote fails...then what?

I sympathize with the bro folks but most of them will be in the RJ in a few years anyway.

This isn't a union negotiation, we can't vote no and expect to see a better offer next week...

Where do you get this "free money crap" you keep talking about??? Last time I checked we haven't had a cost of living increase since your hire date the year before 9/11... but you probably haven't even been here that long!

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Voted No!. This proposal benefits the same top 1/3rd. "If your on the jet." The same group that loves and endorses PBS. BHO is another appendix D nightmare!

Don't plan on being at OO by 2010 but I still won't float the Brasildoe drivers down the river.

CA Chow!!!

I'm in the top 1/3 and it doesn't benefit me and I don't "love or endorse PBS!!!

 

[FlySacto]

<---not the only Clown!

It's not selling everyone else out. The brasillia boys have had a choice for years to come to the RJ. They decide not to which is their right. They like the base they live in and that is fine. The Brasillias days are numbered unfortunately. In 2003 when Mesa and their crap maintenance imposed all these weight restrictions is where the real problem lies. You can thank Mesa for no raise on the brasillia. No worry though there are plenty of openings on the RJ. The brasillia is a dying fleet anyway. We can all say THANKS MESA for that one.

Why don't you walk into the crew lounge in SLC, SFO, or LAX and proudly tell all the Brasilia people this? Are these guys and gals supposed to say, "Gee, let's blame Mesa for us not getting a pay increase for the better part of ten years"? I'd say that most likely they will say there were enough SkyWest jet people DESPERATE for a chance to make 3 minutes pay an hour in airframes that weigh in at 60% more gross weight. I know your all about "living for the now" and "it's all about me and my family", but the future is where your going to be tomorrow. You sold yourself out, and your family, when you jumped on that proud yes vote of yours. I wouldn't expect your likes to give a sheot about your co-workers. There are guys and gals flying the Brasilia today because that's what the company owns. That airplane will still be flying the line for years to come but you think it's fine to say F'them? Believe it or not, some of those Brasila people like busting their arse for an eight leg day flying into crappy little airports and don't have big dreams of flying a shiny RJ that has replaced mainline flying for peanuts.

I'm glad we will probaby never meet up on an overnight drinking ale's. After listening to your convoluted spew, I'd most likely wind up beotch slapping you...twice!