Skyw pay vote

[Lance Uppercut]

Any Contract Mesa signs will be better than Skywest's.

Why?

Because at least their's are LEGALLY BINDING!

Peace.

Rekks.

Till a judge get a hold of it.


Peace

Lance

 

[Rekks Inbound]

True.

But ALPA has no control over that, they don't run the judicial system.

Which is, of course, one of the points that us pro-ALPA guys have been trying to get through the heads of the hard-core, anti-ALPA crowd. What they don't understand is that NO UNION is able to protect it's contract when the company goes CH11 and the wrong judge gets ahold of it. Not ALPA, not Teamsters, not SWAPA, nobody. That's not what the 2% (1.95% actually) is all about. At least with a union on the property, it slows down the process. A legally binding contract cannot be arbitrarily shoved aside; that can only be done by a judge, and if you look at the history even as stated on this board with airlines like Mesaba, Comair, Delta, UAL, etc., it is not an overnight thing. Judges usually send the parties back to the table many times before the decision to throw out the contract is made.

It's about representing our other interests on Cap.Hill. It's about lobbying to reform the laws so maybe, just maybe, management won't be able to ride rough-shod all over our contracts next time they make a series of dunderheaded decisions that put the company in a world of hurt.

That is why most of us would like to see Skywest join up. Because as long as their management has the potential to do whatever they want to their pilots, it is creating a ripple effect that hurts the rest of the industry, including up to the major airline level.

Peace.

Rekks

 

[SkyWstman]

I have had several United pilots in my jumpseat that have said our work rules are far better than theirs. I have flown with ex mesa pilots that say our airline is far better than theirs. The proof is in those who have been there or are their right now. However, I am not an ALPA basher. I do think it is important to have all the benefits ALPA offers. It would be a real drag to have to suck 80,000 dollars out of your house to pay for a lawyer because you slid off a runway and someone gets hurt or killed. It would be even worse if you are found guilty of negligent homicide and you get to spend time with the ENRON guys who are not guilty of killing anyone. I'm not into the fear tactics, I'm just being realistic. If those guys are in prison, you can bet your virgin tailpipe if you kill someone you have a good chance of joining them. I would rather have ALPA pay for my lawyer than try to finance it myself.

 

[airtime42]

Pssst....if you still feel this strongly come December, we're located under C24. I'm sure you'll find somebody to take offense with you.

well said!!!!

Bet a thousand dollars he doest even set foot in ATL

 

[rickair7777]

But ALPA has no control over that, they don't run the judicial system.

"ALPA has no control over that "...The battle cry of the mindless alpa apologists.


I don't give a f&ck about excuses, I want f*cking results ! I don't pay the judiciary or the company 2% of my salary, so I don't really expect much out of them...but if I'm going to give alpa money to represent me they had GD well better get with the program and start producing!!

 

[PCL_128]

"ALPA has no control over that "...The battle cry of the mindless alpa apologists.


I don't give a f&ck about excuses, I want f*cking results ! I don't pay the judiciary or the company 2% of my salary, so I don't really expect much out of them...but if I'm going to give alpa money to represent me they had GD well better get with the program and start producing!!

Time to get informed. ALPA isn't a magic wand to wave at problems and expect things to just be fixed in an instant. Change takes time. We've seen the beginning of it this month with the change in congress. Now ALPA will have support in the House and Senate. You want to see the bankruptcy laws changed so they can't do this to us anymore? Well, you better join ALPA and contribute to ALPA-PAC and get your union brothers to do the same. That's how things get done. Sitting around and whining and pointing the finger of blame gets nothing done. Either be part of the solution, or you're part of the problem.

 

[OO pilot]

The trap some of you SKW pilots are falling for is you think the good times you are enjoying are going to stay that way indefinitely. I upgraded in 2003 at CMR with barely two years seniority. Our contract back then was way better than most and life was good. In 2006 I was displaced back to FO and was already on a pay freeze. How times change. The same thing happened at AirWhisky. In 2000 AWAC was THE place to be.

As long as you are competing for flying with other regionals you probably will not be able to stay on top. The downward pressures built in to the system will see to that. We felt we were invinceable at CMR and I'm pretty sure the AWAC guys and gals did too. I wouldn't crow too loud if I were you because it tastes mighty bitter when you have to eat some later on. Trust me, I know. I thought we had it made until the wheels came off.

Good luck. Sincerely. Enjoy it while you can, but if I were you I'd hedge my bets and have an exit strategy.

Very well said....and so true.

 

[Rekks Inbound]

I don't give a f&ck about excuses, I want f*cking results ! I don't pay the judiciary or the company 2% of my salary, so I don't really expect much out of them...but if I'm going to give alpa money to represent me they had GD well better get with the program and start producing!!

You pay the judiciary, what do you think income taxes go to, among other things.

ALPA actually does produce. Before Congress went into recess, language inserted in the Port Security Bill stated: (paraphrased) “…Any legal strike by transportation workers may be interpreted as an act of terrorism, and would allow the President of the US to mobilize the military”. The bill went on further to state (paraphrased) “…If any applicant to a transportation job has previously been a participant in a legal strike, that person can be denied employment because strikes by transportation workers can be interpreted as an act of terrorism”.

Here is an example of an issue that ALPA and ALPA-PAC fought and won! Me thinks this is definitely worth 2%.

Boy, you response was an angry one. Must have hit a nerve.

Peace.

Rekks.

 

[OO pilot]

I voted yes.

you have choices:

Vote yes-get more money, then vote in ALPA and give it back in dues and hope you can get more money later, like 2010 (when this comes up anyway)

Vote yes-get more money, reject ALPA and keep yourself from losing money via dues (but you do get neato stickers and a magazine), then hope you can get more in 2010

Vote no-refuse more money, vote in ALPA, lose more money via dues, then hope for more in 2010

Vote no-refuse more money, don't vote in ALPA, be pissed you turned down free money

however you feel, it seems you shouldn't turn down free money. take the $, then do what you think will improve things beyond that.

Seems like you forgot about your fellow EMB pilots my friend....they get nothing.
I will never vote for any pay package than gives a raise to only part of the pilot group. So much for unity. But let me guess, you're one of those hot shots know it all who has been with the company less than 2 years, and as usual, it's all about ME...
I find it ironic they call it a pay proposal when they're just 4 years late in adjusting the 70 pay, like they promised...

Voted "hell no" !

 

[asayankee]

Do the Skywest folks really think that 1% is a meaningful "raise"??? What is that 35 cents an hour for a 3rd year FO??? Then the overide pay that only counts for the handful of hours you actually FLY the 700/900 per month (not credit). So thats 5% right??? If you fly the 700/900 20 hours in a month, a 3rd year FO will make another $40 or so. Big raise guys!!!!!

 

[FlySacto]

<---not for the Bro'

Seems like you forgot about your fellow EMB pilots my friend....they get nothing.
I will never vote for any pay package than gives a raise to only part of the pilot group. So much for unity. But let me guess, you're one of those hot shots know it all who has been with the company less than 2 years, and as usual, it's all about ME...
I find it ironic they call it a pay proposal when they're just 4 years late in adjusting the 70 pay, like they promised...

Voted "hell no" !

Good post "OO". They really tried to come up with a BHO for the Brasilia side of the house but it just became too complicated. As such, it became the BOHICA formula for use on the EMB. Eat more "prime rib".

 

[skypine69]

dont forget about retro pay. no retro pay and its a nonstarter. of course retro pay for the turbo taco drivers comes out to nothing as well, soooo...a big ole no vote for that reason also.

 

[capt. megadeth]

I voted yes.

you have choices:

Vote yes-get more money, then vote in ALPA and give it back in dues and hope you can get more money later, like 2010 (when this comes up anyway)

Vote yes-get more money, reject ALPA and keep yourself from losing money via dues (but you do get neato stickers and a magazine), then hope you can get more in 2010

Vote no-refuse more money, vote in ALPA, lose more money via dues, then hope for more in 2010

Vote no-refuse more money, don't vote in ALPA, be pissed you turned down free money

however you feel, it seems you shouldn't turn down free money. take the $, then do what you think will improve things beyond that.

On the RJ I see.....thanks for thinking about your fellow Bro pilots.

The $0.45 an hour won't make or break us but it's principle. This is management's way of dividing the pilot group. Thanks for contributing.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Minor point here. NO ONE has an 18 duty day max in scheduled 121 ops...it's NOT LEGAL. Anything over 16 hours means you don't have minimum rest (8 hours) in the last 24.

At SkyWest, you will not be scheduled for more than 14 and any unscheduled day over 15 is with crew consent only (per Crew Policy Manual).

Not exactly true, over 15 hrs. refusal comes with it's own shiny SAD.
PBR

 

[rtmcfi]

The trap some of you SKW pilots are falling for is you think the good times you are enjoying are going to stay that way indefinitely. I upgraded in 2003 at CMR with barely two years seniority. Our contract back then was way better than most and life was good. In 2006 I was displaced back to FO and was already on a pay freeze. How times change. The same thing happened at AirWhisky. In 2000 AWAC was THE place to be.

As long as you are competing for flying with other regionals you probably will not be able to stay on top. The downward pressures built in to the system will see to that. We felt we were invinceable at CMR and I'm pretty sure the AWAC guys and gals did too. I wouldn't crow too loud if I were you because it tastes mighty bitter when you have to eat some later on. Trust me, I know. I thought we had it made until the wheels came off.

Good luck. Sincerely. Enjoy it while you can, but if I were you I'd hedge my bets and have an exit strategy.

Bingo! We have a winner!

 

[rickair7777]

Voted "hell no" !

What happens after that? The obvious logic if you're not happy with the pay proposal is to take the free money now, and vote in alpa later.

If you don't take the money and the alpa vote fails...then what?

I sympathize with the bro folks but most of them will be in the RJ in a few years anyway.

This isn't a union negotiation, we can't vote no and expect to see a better offer next week...

 

[Nightrain_080]

Voted No!. This proposal benefits the same top 1/3rd. "If your on the jet." The same group that loves and endorses PBS. BHO is another appendix D nightmare!

Don't plan on being at OO by 2010 but I still won't float the Brasildoe drivers down the river.

CA Chow!!!

 

[rickair7777]

ALPA actually does produce. Before Congress went into recess, language inserted in the Port Security Bill stated: (paraphrased) “…Any legal strike by transportation workers may be interpreted as an act of terrorism, and would allow the President of the US to mobilize the military”. The bill went on further to state (paraphrased) “…If any applicant to a transportation job has previously been a participant in a legal strike, that person can be denied employment because strikes by transportation workers can be interpreted as an act of terrorism”.

This is utterly false BS that has been fabricated by someone. For about the third time, I am asking for verifiable references regarding this language...

Anyone?

I didn't think so.

Note: If this language can actually be verified, I will experience a dramatic change in political philosophy...

 

[capt. megadeth]

I sympathize with the bro folks but most of them will be in the RJ in a few years anyway.

...

And what if they are not? What if they get stuck there when all the growth is done? What if they live in one of the bases where there are no RJs and want to stay on the airplane? What if they just like the plane and their seniority on it? I guess that's punishment for doing the hardest flying at the company.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Don't plan on being at OO by 2010 but I still won't float the Brasildoe drivers down the river.

CA Chow!!!

We need more people like you in this world. Thanks dude!