Skyw pay vote

[Stifler's Mom]

I'd like to see some of these idiots that bash SKYW pilots "ONLINE", come up to me and or any of my fellow crew members call me SCAB to my face in an airline terminal or better yet in an alleyway on the side of the hotel! If you got the balls go for it you little punkass bitches!!! I jumpseat every week to get to work and sit in the cockpit on Major airline carriers 80% of the time, and all those pilots (who are ALPA)say "Don't vote in ALPA" I have nothing against ALPA! and I'm listening if they are talking but sending me a gay little newsletter every 2 weeks and expecting me to join the ranks of the WANKERS I see on this forum is not going to win me over!!!! If ALPA is so great then sell us on it don't try to get me to join ALPA feeling sorry for ASA and Comair pilots. Their management is the reason they are losing flying not us!!! Funny how the F@$#s on this forum don't whine about Mesa getting Delta flying or Air Whisky getting USAir flying. And they won't say crap about it if ASA takes the 12 crj700s in CVG.

Fact is: SKYW Inc. owns ASA and all of its equipment! none of those airplanes are "yours" and none of them are Skywest Airlines. They can do what they want with them.

Pssst....if you still feel this strongly come December, we're located under C24. I'm sure you'll find somebody to take offense with you.

 

[SkyNation]

I have not met anyone who says they voted yes. Why would anyone want to lock in 1% through 2010, and nothing for the bro? No cost of living since 2001, while inflation averages 3% per year. And now its 1% just this year, nothing more until after 2010(maybe).

I voted yes.

you have choices:

Vote yes-get more money, then vote in ALPA and give it back in dues and hope you can get more money later, like 2010 (when this comes up anyway)

Vote yes-get more money, reject ALPA and keep yourself from losing money via dues (but you do get neato stickers and a magazine), then hope you can get more in 2010

Vote no-refuse more money, vote in ALPA, lose more money via dues, then hope for more in 2010

Vote no-refuse more money, don't vote in ALPA, be pissed you turned down free money

however you feel, it seems you shouldn't turn down free money. take the $, then do what you think will improve things beyond that.

 

[blackbox]

Within one year this "offer" will not be industry leading, as the SKYW charts show. ASA, CHQ, and MESA will all be negotiating beyond the pay rates on that chart.

Just because you negotiate it doesnt mean you will get it. I doubt Mesa's new contract will come close to Skywests. Neither will CHQ. I work for a company in contract negotiations, And there are some things that just wont happen, like wanting pay rates and work rules like Skywest.

 

[blackbox]

I'd like to see some of these idiots that bash SKYW pilots "ONLINE", come up to me and or any of my fellow crew members call me SCAB to my face in an airline terminal or better yet in an alleyway on the side of the hotel! If you got the balls go for it you little punkass bitches!!! I jumpseat every week to get to work and sit in the cockpit on Major airline carriers 80% of the time, and all those pilots (who are ALPA)say "Don't vote in ALPA" I have nothing against ALPA! and I'm listening if they are talking but sending me a gay little newsletter every 2 weeks and expecting me to join the ranks of the WANKERS I see on this forum is not going to win me over!!!! If ALPA is so great then sell us on it don't try to get me to join ALPA feeling sorry for ASA and Comair pilots. Their management is the reason they are losing flying not us!!! Funny how the F@$#s on this forum don't whine about Mesa getting Delta flying or Air Whisky getting USAir flying. And they won't say crap about it if ASA takes the 12 crj700s in CVG.

Fact is: SKYW Inc. owns ASA and all of its equipment! none of those airplanes are "yours" and none of them are Skywest Airlines. They can do what they want with them.

Internet tough guy. Watch out everyone...haha

 

[swoopyswoop]

I like how you consider your pay "free money", like its a bonus to get paid to fly a 70/90. I'm glad you feel so good about locking in your "free 1%" through 2010.

 

[Rekks Inbound]

Any Contract Mesa signs will be better than Skywest's.

Why?

Because at least their's are LEGALLY BINDING!

Peace.

Rekks.

 

[HelloNewman]

Any Contract Mesa signs will be better than Skywest's.

Why?

Because at least their's are LEGALLY BINDING!

Peace.

Rekks.

LOL tell that to any Mesa guy whos contract is LEGALLY BINDING yet gets violated on a weekly if not daily basis. The company tells their pilots the same thing "grieve it". Sometimes the union drops grievances to get something else. Sometimes the grievances go on for months if not years. How about you ask some Mesa pilots about the Harris Award which has been on going for a very long time and still not complied with to my knowledge. I'm sure they will tell you how great the current grievance system is. Legally Binding doesn't mean anything when you work for someone like JO. Thanks for the laugh though that was just too funny. I think we all needed a good laugh.

Just because a contract is legally binding doesn't mean there aren't loopholes. The grievences can sometimes take so long that all you get after months of fighting it is an extra day off or two and maybe a little bit of back pay. Woot Woot, not! The current laws that ALPA has to work under simply do not work well. Until that changes I will not be voting them in. A legally binding contract may mean something but it doesn't mean much until the labor laws are changed. I will take the good life at skywest over that anyday.

 

[Rekks Inbound]

At least when they have something to greive, they have a process for it, even if it does not come out in their favor.

Peace.

Rekks

 

[Caveman]

The trap some of you SKW pilots are falling for is you think the good times you are enjoying are going to stay that way indefinitely. I upgraded in 2003 at CMR with barely two years seniority. Our contract back then was way better than most and life was good. In 2006 I was displaced back to FO and was already on a pay freeze. How times change. The same thing happened at AirWhisky. In 2000 AWAC was THE place to be.

As long as you are competing for flying with other regionals you probably will not be able to stay on top. The downward pressures built in to the system will see to that. We felt we were invinceable at CMR and I'm pretty sure the AWAC guys and gals did too. I wouldn't crow too loud if I were you because it tastes mighty bitter when you have to eat some later on. Trust me, I know. I thought we had it made until the wheels came off.

Good luck. Sincerely. Enjoy it while you can, but if I were you I'd hedge my bets and have an exit strategy.

 

[RP170]

Any predictions?

Nothing for the bro
14 cents/ hr. raise for newhires
current rates for the 50+ 1%
5% for actual block on the 70
the 90 will be paid the same as the 70
no reserve call out improvements
no 401k improvements
no trip rig
no vacation improvements
no minimum daily guarentee of 4.1
no retro
no cost of living adjustments
no time and a half for high average line hours
no transparent reserve list
no 18 duty day max

VOTE YES!!!! As long as they think it will secure more growth of course they will vote for it. They would most likely vote yes for concessions if it said they would get more aircraft (which is essentially what they did when they agreed to fly 70/90 seat aircraft for 50 seat pay).

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Any Contract Mesa signs will be better than Skywest's.

Why?

Because at least their's are LEGALLY BINDING!

Peace.

Rekks.

Till a judge get a hold of it.


Peace

Lance

 

[Rekks Inbound]

True.

But ALPA has no control over that, they don't run the judicial system.

Which is, of course, one of the points that us pro-ALPA guys have been trying to get through the heads of the hard-core, anti-ALPA crowd. What they don't understand is that NO UNION is able to protect it's contract when the company goes CH11 and the wrong judge gets ahold of it. Not ALPA, not Teamsters, not SWAPA, nobody. That's not what the 2% (1.95% actually) is all about. At least with a union on the property, it slows down the process. A legally binding contract cannot be arbitrarily shoved aside; that can only be done by a judge, and if you look at the history even as stated on this board with airlines like Mesaba, Comair, Delta, UAL, etc., it is not an overnight thing. Judges usually send the parties back to the table many times before the decision to throw out the contract is made.

It's about representing our other interests on Cap.Hill. It's about lobbying to reform the laws so maybe, just maybe, management won't be able to ride rough-shod all over our contracts next time they make a series of dunderheaded decisions that put the company in a world of hurt.

That is why most of us would like to see Skywest join up. Because as long as their management has the potential to do whatever they want to their pilots, it is creating a ripple effect that hurts the rest of the industry, including up to the major airline level.

Peace.

Rekks

 

[SkyWstman]

I have had several United pilots in my jumpseat that have said our work rules are far better than theirs. I have flown with ex mesa pilots that say our airline is far better than theirs. The proof is in those who have been there or are their right now. However, I am not an ALPA basher. I do think it is important to have all the benefits ALPA offers. It would be a real drag to have to suck 80,000 dollars out of your house to pay for a lawyer because you slid off a runway and someone gets hurt or killed. It would be even worse if you are found guilty of negligent homicide and you get to spend time with the ENRON guys who are not guilty of killing anyone. I'm not into the fear tactics, I'm just being realistic. If those guys are in prison, you can bet your virgin tailpipe if you kill someone you have a good chance of joining them. I would rather have ALPA pay for my lawyer than try to finance it myself.

 

[airtime42]

Pssst....if you still feel this strongly come December, we're located under C24. I'm sure you'll find somebody to take offense with you.

well said!!!!

Bet a thousand dollars he doest even set foot in ATL

 

[rickair7777]

But ALPA has no control over that, they don't run the judicial system.

"ALPA has no control over that "...The battle cry of the mindless alpa apologists.


I don't give a f&ck about excuses, I want f*cking results ! I don't pay the judiciary or the company 2% of my salary, so I don't really expect much out of them...but if I'm going to give alpa money to represent me they had GD well better get with the program and start producing!!